spud you forget the over heating issue on the gold wing and the pain it takes to change the air filter,cramped leg space/etc.etc. i like the fact that we expose the problems with this bike it helps get the work done i can go here get the info use it myself or show it to the local wrench and he spends less time looking for problems my buddie on a Victory talks in a groop about no problems with his bike i start picturing all the times i had to push start him and go get his truck and some other guys trailer to get him back home 1/2 my day gone so many do not want to admit to there bikes flaws so they keep a tight lip i knew all about these issues before i bought and i would do it again oh! one more thing you can't get a vtx with that V-4