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  1. SilvrT
    FYI... here's a great article on replacing the basket... http://www.venturers.org/Tech_Library/index.php?action=article&cat_id=002006&id=309&highlight=clutch%20basket Couldn't find anything similar in our own site...maybe there is.
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    Does anyone have a copy of this? I was involved in that discussion and I think I suggested it in one thread somewhere, maybe Cougar suggested it somewhere also. In any event, while it seems a good suggestion, possibly by the time a person got a basket that worked, the shipping costs back and forth may not be worth the effort??? I've suggested to Scott Harrison that since it appears unlikely Yamaha will try more than one basket thru the dealer, perhaps they'd entertain providing me directly with a basket and I'd swap it out myself.... his reply was " I am afraid this is not something we will negotiate or consider ". He is still pushing for my VIN number so I think I will provide it and see what comes of that. In any event, I'm eager to try this MotorKote product. If it does like others report, that might be all that is necessary to achieve an acceptable level of "whine".
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    I ordered a 32oz on-line last night from the Can distributor...should be here by the weekend (I hope). That should last me quite a long time, considering the amount recommended to use in these bikes.
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    After many, many days of glorious weather and riding, the weatherman just couldn't seem to extend it into the coming long weekend....we are in for cooler, cloudy, rainy days so.... it looks like I'll be sticking around the house and tackling all those little "odd-jobs" and "honey-doos" that I've been putting off for going on 5 months (basically the length of time we've had great weather). And... if I get my order of MotorKote by the end of the week, I will be changing out the oil/filter and adding the MotorKote and testing her out between the raindrops! woohoooo!
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    heh... mine was tight too (the OIL FILTER!) the first time so, after nothing else worked, I drilled a big hole thru it, stuck a prybar thru the hole and loosened it that way. Then, after all drained, new filter, new oil, running the engine up, checking the oil, put my tools away, etc, etc... I pulled the drain pan out and emptied it and... OMG!!! what are all those metal filings??? I freaked....thought they come out of the engine... and then I remembered drilling the hole in the filter.... :rotf:
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    Install the old basket: .... Yamaha won't but the dealer will ... at a cost (they told me $50 and I had 2 weeks to decide...it's well beyond that now)
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    So, here's his latest reply... Good morning: I am afraid the 'I' basket is a bit of a myth but we have tried numerous things over the years to investigate reported noise issues. Motorcycles have inherent engine noises and certain factors are going to determine if a motorcycle's engine creates additional noise - break-in, oil used, maintenance, etc. Time and product monitoring have determined, with this specific model, that the noise as described in your e-mail is inherent. Various factors may contribute to the noise developing but changing baskets can actually increase the noise or not change it at all. Regards, Scott
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    I would think there would be a lot more to it than just "machine work". It would require not only that but also a lot of testing to ensure it would work all the time. And then there's the issue of ensuring that enough customers could be had to keep the cost to a figure that the market could bear. It's a "business opportunity" that would require a solid and well researched business plan and my gut feeling is that the business plan would prove it not worthwhile. On the flip-side, if it was, wouldn't one think that someone, even Yamaha, would have done this?? Winter Olympics??? never heard of it....
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    I would think that the ROI for such a venture would not prove lucrative enough.
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    Today, I have read every post in this thread. I saw the thread before but never read it... don't know why. I am excited!!! I am ordering some MotorKote tonight! By the time it arrives, I will be due for an oil change. I will add my findings to this thread once I've done the change and added the MotorKote and put on a few miles. I am very eager to see the results. Guys from Canada that have ordered this product... what did you choose as a shipping type? (seems a bit confusing to me but holy cow!!! $27.50 for shipping????)
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    I use 2 - 2x4's ... the bike is almost perfectly level...just enuf "off-balance" towards the kickstand side to keep it standing on it's own.
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    In the couple of years or so that I have been on this site, I'd guess that this topic is one of the most "talked about". Sorry if this discourages you but let me share this with you.... I owned an '87 before this '06 and I read all the threads and posts associated to this "clutch whine" and that didn't stop me from buying the '06 nor will it now stop me from riding it until I can't ride it any longer. Having said that, I for one, am not about to "give up and die" in the persuit to get rid of the whine in my scoot. In the meantime, I am living with it and if I never find a cure, I will continue to live with it because, quite simply, it's one heck of a great bike and nothing else out there can match it IMHO. Now, I've said this before and I will say it here again... there is only one other bike I would consider but I would need another 15-20 grand to own that one.
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    Good point...and I agree with everything you say...including "I love my RSV"! I believe Yamaha had an option... considering the clutch basket and the primary gears obviously weren't machined as a "unit" they could... a) have both pieces re-made as a unit and machined for 99.99% accuracy in tolerances for proper gear lash so as no whine. b) re-make a slightly different basket with a variance on the gear and hope that at least some of them would mate correctly with the existing primary. Since the latter is of considerably less cost (inclusive of the work to install the replacement) in comparison to the former....they chose the latter. In doing so, they decided not to issue it as a recall but to only replace those who's owners "complained". After doing that many times over they then decided to only do it once (if they could get away with it) on each "complaint" thus the reason some get only one whereas others get 2,3, or 4 until eventually it's resolved. there's that old saying..."the squeaky wheel gets the grease" ... dang but I feel squeaky today LOL!
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    :sign20: ... I've been trying that.... over the past year I think I've boughten 3 different helmets and every day I ride, I change them.... from one position to another (the shelf to my head) ... :rotf:
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    And Ford's had a power steering pump whine...all of them. Different vehicles have certain sounds and all of them have it so that makes it a characteristic of that vehicle type (make/model, etc). GM starters sounded different from Ford starters and different from Chrysler starters.... that was their "characteristic". The whine/chirp coming from the clutch basket gears on these bikes is not, IMHO, a characteristic and since Yamaha has been replacing them, under warranty, for years and years, it's obvious they also don't feel it to be "characteristic". I've never heard of Ford, GM, or Chrysler replacing the starters because of the sounds they made....unless of course it was "not characteristic".... go figure eh!
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    ...and, I replied to Mr. Harrison.... Thanks for your speedy reply Scott. In answer to your question, I wear a 3/4 helmet. I also have aftermarket mufflers that are much louder than the stock ones. Further, I have my "tunes" volume to 18 on the controller and even with all that, at certain rpm's, that whine is so bad it causes a headache. I have been riding for over 40 years and have had numerous motorcycles including a 1985 Venture Royale and a 1987 Venture Royale. I purchased the 2006 because I was so impressed by the quality of the '85 & '87. Unfortunately, the whine on this 2006 is pushing me to the point of selling it. When I do, I will most definately not be buying another Yamaha product. Now, let me elaborate on information I have devulged from the mechanic that replaced the clutch basket. He told me that this problem goes way back to the mid 90's and was occurring on models other than the RSV. He told me that in those days, they had to take dial gauge readings on the gear lash between the basket gear and the primary gear it meshes with. They would then send those readings to Yamaha and would receive a basket that provided a better gear lash, reducing or eliminating the whine. He told me that it is because neither components are manufactured as a "unit", subsequently, in many cases the gears don't mate 100% correctly, which causes the whine. He also told me that after so many, many cases of this it became a matter of eliminating the dial gauge readings and Yamaha would simply send out "any old" basket in hopes that it would make a difference. Sort of a "hit and miss" situation. Kindof a poor policy IMHO. The simple fact that Yamaha has been changing out these clutch baskets in an effort to reduce or eliminate the whine tells me that Yamaha recognizes that it is much more than a simple "characteristic" and that in fact, it is a machining problem of some sort and that Yamaha is willing to try and correct it the only way they know how, which is to swap out the basket with an "I" basket. Having said that, it seems that this "I" basket is not always a sure-fire cure but the fact remains that Yamaha recognizes this "whine" to be a problem. Therefore, I feel that Yamaha should do all they can to "go the distance" to rectify the problem by providing me, the customer, with a clutch basket that mates properly with the primary gear so that there is minimal or no whine. I know this is possible because a) several owners that I know have had success and b) some RSV's, RSMV's and RSTD's produced have absolutely no whine at all and that simple fact itself suggests that it is not a "characteristic". I had to chuckle at your comment of "encourage you to continue driving and enjoying your motorcycle ". How can one "enjoy" the ride with such an annoying sound ringing in their ear? I await your further comments.
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    Following is for anyone's FYI ... feel free to comment. Email I sent to Yamaha Customer Service Dept I have a 2006 RSMV. It has an extremely annoying whine/chirp coming from the clutch basket. I have had a local dealer install an "I" basket under warranty. This has not corrected the problem. The dealer told me that it could only be done one time regardless of whether it corrected it or not. This is not satisfactory to me. I have been in contact with many other RSV/RSMV owners who have had it replaced several times until they got a basket that reduced the whine/chirp to an acceptable level. I would like to know if Yamaha will look after this problem for me. Response I received I am writing in response to your e-mail regarding your RSMV Yamaha motorcycle. Yamaha introduced this model to critical acclaim. I can record your concerns but based on the information you provided I would encourage you to continue driving and enjoying your motorcycle without hesitation. All motorcycles have inherent, and different, engine noises. We have, in some cases, replaced clutch baskets and in many cases the noise remains unchanged, and in some cases increases the noise. These models have an inherent engine noise that is considered normal and may be augmented by the type of helmet a person wears or accessories they have on the motorcycle. Do you wear a half helmet? We consider this to be a characteristic of this model and would not repeatedly change clutch baskets. Your comments will be kept on file if you send me your serial number and you will be contacted in the unlikely event that time, and product monitoring, indicate this issue requires further investigation. Sincerely, Yamaha Motor Canada Ltd. Scott Harrison Manager, Consumer Relations
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    :rotf: :rotf: you guyz are crackin me up here!!! co-workers are lookin at me gigglin & laffin at the computer and startin to think certain things related to old age are settin in!!
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    edger... there are literally TONs of posts about this subject....it's the biggest "bone of contention" there is with RSV owners. In a nutshell, if you have the clutch basket changed out to the " I " basket, there's no assurance that it will either reduce or eliminate the whine/chirp. I had mine changed...made no difference at all. Others had theirs changed, made a big difference. It's a "hit-and-miss" situation. No, you need not be concerned about the whine...it is not a failure of components.
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    ahem... FYI, Ontario is a part of Canada.... (just razzin)
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    hey you!!! quit putting words in my mouth .. errrr ....sig..!!!
  22. SilvrT
    I'd say you should change to a lighter oil when your oil gets too dark.....
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    Really? I wonder if then can change it from less to MORE? :rotf: :rotf:
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    Here's a classic example of how our socialized, government run health care system works.... Last week my wife's daughter who is a bartender, sliced a good chunk off the end of her thumb while cutting up lemons. She went to a clinic... they told her they couldn't help her because they'd already reached their "daily quota of patients". She went to another clinic... it was supposed to be open but wasn't (probably for the same reason)...then she went to a 3rd clinic... the doctor was an idot, did a terrible job of bandaging and she had to have her boss re-do it to properly stop the bleeding. That whole process took her about 2 hours. Now, had she gone to the emerg at the hospital, she would most likely have had to sit and wait for 5 hours before anyone would even look at it. Yes, we have government medical and in many ways it is a good thing but in many ways it isn't.
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    Speaking of warranty.... I had my clutch basket changed under warranty. The dealer said Yamaha would only do it once and if it didn't solve the whine, too bad...they would not do it again. I've come across more than one post where it was stated that Yamaha did the job several times until the right "match" was found. Is this correct? Who of you all have had your clutch basket changed out more than once and had Yamaha cover it in an attempt to reduce or eliminate the whine/chirp??
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