otay - the beer can shim and a 17mm hex socket and a little tap tap tap, ok so it was alot tap tap tap. Got the bugger out, Thank you for all the idears, after I got it started, and it took alot, I figured the PO used a freak'n impact wrench putting them back in, even after I loosened the pinch bolts, I had to use a 3ft pipe on a breaker bar to get loosened. Tubes seem to be good.
Thanks again for the idears Guys! Greatly appreciated.