:sign yeah that:I love the avons, just don't get the mileage out of them that I do the E3's. I gave the E3's a second chance and the second set is just as slippery in rain as the first set but they last forever....I'm done though. Back to Avons for me for I ride year round and rain is no big deal unless you can't make it stick. The E3's on a dry day are great and within a week the chicken strips are gone. I guess you can't have the best of both worlds longer wear or soft and sticky. I choose soft and sticky for my riding style demands it.