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5.8 ft/lbs per service manual. PDF cut attached below. Gary
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Stalled and sweaty, why?
dingy replied to Dave77459's topic in Royal Star and Royal Star Tour Deluxe Tech Talk
The fuel pump relay has a wired connection to the ignitor unit. I believe it is designed to shut down when the system knows the engine is not running. Not having an RSV though, this is just speculation from looking at the wiring diagram. Gary -
The leg cowlings air flow is from the black intakes on the front fairing sides.. The airflow is forced through ducts inside the front fairing then directed down the leg fairings and out the vents. I have removed these fairings on my bike and I do notice an increase in the temps on my legs. This probably would be a bit uncomfortable in a higher temp climate than where I am in Ohio. I still have the airflow coming through the front intakes and out the bottom rear of the fairing, it just isn't directed over my legs as it once was. The attached picture will give you an idea of what the bike looks like with the lower leg fairings removed & side covers modified. I know members RandyA & Thom have had this mod for a while. It does give the bike a more distinctive look. Gary http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af193/gdingy101/PICT5697s.jpg
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I pulled the piston out of the leaking master today and the cylinder wall is fubared. It has metal degradation in the cylinder bore directly under inlet hole. I don't know if this was caused by the epoxy I used to install the sight glass. It is rather apparent though, I don't think I would have missed it when I was rebuilding it. It is more than just grooves in wall. More like pitting. It started leaking very slightly out the lever end. Replaced it yesterday. Cylinder bore is beyond honing by appearance. The powder coating is not being affected by the synthetic brake fluid, there is no paint peeling even with direct, long term contact. The epoxy I used was 5 minute set time. I let it harden 24 hours prior to filling with fluid. Gary
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He can have this one snaggletooth, or I can also get him a S.S. socket head & lock washer at hardware tomorrow and send it out tomorrow, along with a new O-ring. Got a hardware a block from the house that has a lot of metric stuff. I have a drain cock on workbench I can get size of O-ring size. O-ring is a 13.8 I.D. x 2.4 mm thick, I have a new one in hand. Jason, That's why I said it needed to be ground down and even gave him a picture of it. Gary
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2nd gen valve cover gaskets will also fit 1st gen motors. $17.80 apiece + shipping from http://www.partshark.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=47209&category=Motorcycles&make=YAMAHA&year=2000&fveh=943 Item #35 They have a lip around the gasket that makes them easier to install supposedly. I didn't use them as I thought they would not be as cosmetically attractive with lip, since I was exposing the motor with the Bikini mod to side covers. Gary
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FYI The recommended torque on the clutch bleeder screw is 4.3 ft/lbs. That is a very small torque setting. Gary
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Bad Starter or not?????????
dingy replied to dukhunter's topic in Royal Star and Royal Star Tour Deluxe Tech Talk
Depends on how frisky your feeling. From the parts fiche, it looks like the starter is a very close match for a 1st gen. The write up below on a method to improve the internal starter ground should also work on the RSTC's. http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=46890 Gary- 8 replies
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By crush washer, do you mean copper washers on banjo bolt I assume? It's leaking at the lever side, not the banjo bolt side. Gary
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This is a follow up on the Jewelers Epoxy I used to install the watch crystals in my master cylinders. I was having brake fluid leaking out of the back of my clutch master so I pulled it off today. The leakage was not from around the crystal, but from the rear of the plunger. When I removed top from master, the fluid was not clear inside. It should have been due to master being rebuilt and new clutch flex lines installed. I found that the epoxy that had squeezed out from around the crystal on the liquid side had deteriorated. This squeezed out material was due to my using to much epoxy when I seated the crystal in the housing. There were a few firm but pliable pieces of the excess epoxy in the bottom of the reservoir. The crystal is still tight in the housing and I could not push it out with my finger. It has been in the Synthetic brake fluid for about 2 1/2 months now, so it seems this type of epoxy is not suitable. I am not sure if the deteriorated epoxy led to the master leaking or not. I have a double clutch spring in and there is a lot of pressure on the handle when clutch is depressed. I replaced the master with the another one I had and bled new fluid through the system. The only ingredient I can find listed on the hardener tube is called Mercaptan Hardener. The only ingredient I can find listed on the resin tube is Epoxy Resin. There is a picture in my first post of this product. Gary
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Red Loctite needs to be heated before it will release. You don't want to use red on aluminum if you ever want to take it apart. Gary
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The bottom of the bleeder screw hole has a tapered surface which matches the end of the bleeder screw. This surface must be very smooth in order to seal when the bleeder screw is tightened down against it. Gary
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Below is the swing arm section from the RSV service manual that may help you see what you are dealing with. Gary
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This same kit is on ebay for $216.99 + $12.00 ship Ebay item # 360193981068 Link is below, but ebay links usually don't work. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YAMAHA-1200-VENTURE-ATHENA-COMPLETE-GASKET-SET-83-85-/360193981068?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item53dd3bfa8c I tried Condor's theory of buy as you need and ended up spending far more than this. Gary
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Jim, I have a spare O-ring out of a caliper I can send you if you can't find a suitable replacement. Came out of an 83 rear caliper. Size is 14 MM O.D. x 9 mm I.D. x 2 mm thick. I.D. could vary smaller, it would still work O.K. Gary
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I believe the rear muffler mount is different on 86-93 bikes. I put a set of running boards on my 83 bike that came off of a 88 bike and I had to use adapters to mount mufflers. Bongobobby helped me with this so you might PM him and pick his brain. Gary
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86 - 91 CDI Box
dingy replied to MasterGuns's topic in Venture and Venture Royale Tech Talk ('83 - '93)
The TCI module will either fit an 84-89 bike or a 90-93 bike. In 1990 the pick-up coil design was changed from a two head unit to a single head unit. They are not interchangeable. The 1983 version had different circuitry due to the location of the vacuum pick-up on the carbs. The 83 unit will allow a 84-89 bike to run, though very poorly. The unit is acually a TCI unit wich differs from a CDI. The TCI units basically have the coils energized all the time, then remove the energy to create the collapsing field which generates the high voltage pulse. A CDI operates opposite this and energizes the coil to create the spark. Below is a link to a decent description of the differences in the units. http://www.jetav8r.com/Vision/IgnitionFAQ.html#a7p0 Gary -
A new really bad noise.
dingy replied to Flyinfool's topic in Venture and Venture Royale Tech Talk ('83 - '93)
Have you checked the torque on the rear disk to rim mounting bolts? And also caliper mounts. It's a long shot, but an idea. Gary -
front forks and class
dingy replied to curtis's topic in Venture and Venture Royale Tech Talk ('83 - '93)
Below is a link that details the class wiring system on an 88 bike. This is the detailed version showing all the connectors. CLASS system is on left side - center. 88-89 Yamaha Venture DU Wiring Diagram Rev D.pdf Below is the simplified version. Class system is in lower left corner. 86-89 Yamaha Venture Simplified Circuit Diagram Rev D.pdf Check your harness at the connector under the seat or to the left side, near the helmet locks, that goes to the tail lights. If it is a 14 pin (one blank) connector, the harness already has wires for the CLASS system. Putting in a new harness is a time consuming task. Especially in the head light and coils/TCI areas. Another option is not to locate the TCI control head on the dash. I currently have mine laying loose under the radio cover. When I need to reset it, I pop the radio insert out and lift head out. Not pretty, but functional. You could possibly locate CLASS head in trunk, if wiring harness does not have wires in it already for the system. It would shorten your wire runs up considerably. I have an extra tail light/CLASS harness that would give you the connectors to the air pump/valve assembly that I would part with. Gary -
Replacing seals
dingy replied to a1bummer's topic in Venture and Venture Royale Tech Talk ('83 - '93)
There are some pictures of neutral switch in the PDF file that is attached to the post linked below. Shows its location and how to get to it. http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=40639 Gary -
There was an accident locally here a few years ago where a young man collided with a cager that had made a left turn in front of him. Biker was a teenager on a powerful crotch rocket. The cage suffered severe damage in the accident, enough to have even bent the drive shaft of the cage. The cage was spun around 180 degrees from the force of the impact. Speed limit in area was 25 mph. The biker was reported by witnesses to have been doing well in excess of seventy mph. The biker braked so hard that the rear wheel came off the ground at prior to impact. The cager was cited and did 6 months in jail for vehicular manslaughter. In this case I felt that the cager did nothing wrong, but was still held to blame for the apparent reckless operation by the biker. Had the biker been traveling at the speed limit, the cager would have had more than sufficient time to make the turn safely. It is very difficult as a driver to realize that someone coming at you is traveling at a high rate of speed when the decision is made to make a turn in front of an oncoming vehicle. I used to work for ConRail as the signal department. One of the requirements was that if there was a crossing accident at a protected crossing, I would have to go out immediately and run a series of tests on the crossing protection to check for proper operation. The area where I worked had a switching yard located there, so the speed of the train traffic varied depending on if the train was stopping in the area to do switching. Drivers would get inpatient waiting for the trains and often go around the gates. The majority of the incidents occurred at night. It is much harder to judge the speed of a vehicle coming at you when the oncoming vehicle only has one headlight as in the case of trains. The reason being as a vehicle gets closer, there is a perception of the distance between the headlights increasing. This helps the brain to judge closing speed. With a train and motorcycles only having one headlight, this visual clue is not present. Drivers would go around the gates in order to beat the train not realizing that the train was approaching the crossing at a higher than anticipated speed. Gary
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I wasn't alone, I was with a group of Harley's and had to keep my speed down. Seriously. On other tanks previous to today when I have been out playing with the bike, MPG's have been around 35 MPG. Gary
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Brake hose description / list ?
dingy replied to 6m459's topic in Venture and Venture Royale Tech Talk ('83 - '93)
Here is a list of lines I have from my 1st gen 83. I would treat these numbers as reference only. I tried to get accurate measurements though. Rear Master to rear caliper. 18 3/8" from C/L to C/L of banjo fittings. One banjo fitting @ 15 deg. Both banjo fittings rotated @ 90 deg. to each other Rear Master to front steel line at rear master. 4 3/4" from face of 10mm fitting to C/L of banjo fitting. Banjo fitting @ 15 deg. Front metering valve to front caliper. (This line is from a 1988 bike with the upper bleeder port). 8 5/16" from face of 10mm fitting at top bleeder to C/L of double banjo fitting. This segment would be eliminated for 83-85 models without upper bleeder port if desired. 33 3/4" from C/L of double banjo fitting to C/L of banjo fitting at brake caliper. Banjo fitting at brake caliper @ 15 deg. Bottom banjo fitting is rotated @ 90 deg to double banjo fitting. Front master to brake caliper. 44 1/4" C/L to C/L of banjo fittings. Top banjo fitting @ 15 deg. Bottom banjo fitting @ 15 deg. Two banjo fittings are in line with a combined angle of 30 deg. Anti dive valve. (MKI only) 11 1/2" C/L to C/L of banjo fittings. Top clutch line 22 1/2" C/L of banjo fitting to face of 10 mm fitting. Banjo fitting @ 15 deg. Lower Clutch line 8 1/2" C/L of banjo fitting to face of 10 mm fitting. -
I have had a few inquiries on my MPG since the bikes rebuild. Rode 158.7 miles between fillups today and used 3.705 gallons. Sunoco, 93 octane gas. 42.83 MPG. 1300 cc engine, Vmax heads, FJR rear end. No v-boost. Carbs are from original 1200 engine. Carb mains re-jetted to 140. Needle jets are now set at .102", increased from setting of .072" due to nasty hesitation around 6,500 RPM's. Ride was through rural areas with very moderately hilly terrain, number of small towns. Lot of curvy roads. Very gentle ride around 55 mph for most part with very minimal hard acceleration. Riding solo. I am very happy with this. Gary