FuzzyRSTD

Well I have saw some kinda strange profile pictures. Just wondering what some of them are and what inspired your profile picture ? Most are pictures of people or two or three people in a picture, some dressed kinda weird and so on ? Mine is me with my bike at Carter Caves State Park here in Kentucky. :confused24::confused24: :whistling:

I hear you and thank you. I do not think West Virginia has any type crossbow season at all. Thanks for your comment, I will take note of that.

Well for all those interested. The Kentucky Town Hall Meetings with the Kentucky Fish and Wildlife will be starting up this coming Monday evening, February 13th. Please attend and please speak on behalf of allowing the crossbow for the entire archery season here in KY. I will add the link to the meeting dates and also copy and paste some notes you can print and use for help when speaking your opinion. This is the only way we will be heard. So bring all your family and tell everyone and go. I would really appreciate it. If you attend, please send me a PM and let me know how things went. I also copied and posted a message I added earlier. I wanted everyone to know how and why I feel this way. Fuzzy [ATTACH]63961[/ATTACH] I have just took on the quest to get the crossbow recognized here in Kentucky. I feel as if we need to include the crossbow in our archery deer season. If anyone can help with this issue, I would be very grateful. Especially members from Kentucky. So far in Kentucky we can only use the crossbow for a very short period of the archery season, unless you are disabled. I think the crossbow should be considered for full inclusion of the archery season. The crossbow uses an arrow with fletching and a broadhead, just as the vertical bow. A bolt was the term used in history when there was a steel or wooden shaft used with out any vanes or fletching. The crossbow is so much fun to shoot and allows those that do not have the time to dedicate to verticle bow hunting the time to hunt. Yes the crossbow can be used with out so much of the dedicated time that it takes to shoot a deer with the verticle bow and still show respect for the animal. I did not say easier, for if anything a crossbow is harder to hunt with when compared to a vertical bow because I can usually get a second shot off with my vertical bow. I would have to be very lucky to get a second shot with the crossbow. It is slower to load and louder at the shot. I have bowhunted with vertical bows for the past 30 years. I own two Mathews MQ-1s. I have hunted with the a crossbow once or twice in in the last 10 years. I recently purchased a Horton Summit and then sold it and bought my self a Parker Cyclone Express crosbow. I have been bitten by the crossbow bug. I really love this new way of hunting with an arrow. It is so much fun. I have been doing some research and reading a lot. Seventeen states allow crossbows for all archery deer hunters; Kentucky only allows them for a short part of the archery deer season and for those with disabilities. Crossbow use has increasingly been allowed across the nation. In the last two years, eight states, including traditional whitetail hunting states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Texas, have changed regulations to allow crossbows during the archery deer seasons. Crossbows not only help recruit young hunters but help retain older hunters, too. As our hunter population continues to age, the crossbow will continue to play a vital role in our deer program, both in our rural and urban areas. The state of Ohio has full inclusion of the crossbow during deer archery seasons since 1976. Now 45% to 50% of the state's archery hunters use crossbows. The state's deer population hasn't suffered and is at or near an all-time record. I would like to know what the Kentucky hunting members think of this proposal I am making. I will be promoting not only the crossbow, but all hunting methods here in our state. I respect those whom hunt with every available means, and would not want to give any anti hunting groups an opportunity to say we disagree or are separated in our goals to keep our rights to hunt. I would like to see the crossbow become full inclusive in our state of Kentucky. James Darrell Fultz Home > 606-286-2078 Cell > 606-356-7797 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossbows: Myths & Facts As hunters who pay hunting license fees and game managers whose programs come from those licenses, we are blessed by the ability of the whitetail deer to adjust to the continued encroachment on its habitat by man and still multiply. If it I were not for the far sighted sportsmen who preceded us and insisted upon scientific management practices, most modern deer hunting today would be very costly and conducted on preserves, behind high-fences. However, this magnificent animal’s ability to multiply, coupled with conservative management practices, have resulted in whitetail populations at an all-time high. In some areas deer populations are so high that property damage as well as safety and health concerns have arisen. The game manager’s job today is rapidly becoming more sociological than biological. Heaped in the middle comes the issue of creating a new opportunity with a new and misunderstood hunting tool – the crossbow. MYTH: Crossbows are a poacher’s tool. FACT: Crossbows, like vertical bows, have short range capabilities, are too cumbersome to discharge from a vehicle, and kill by hemorrhage, not shock. Where legal, violations are minimal. If crossbows were efficient poaching tools their use would be wide-spread by game thieves. The poachers weapon of choice is still the .22 caliber rifle. MYTH: Crossbows are unsafe. FACT: Based on thirty years of statistical data, accident rates involving crossbows are identical to those of vertical bows. Both, considering hunting hours involved and numbers of hunters, are considered among the safest forms of hunting. MYTH: Crossbows are too easy to shoot. FACT: Experienced rifle shooters can expect to quickly achieve tight arrow groups on targets up to forty yards (the effective hunting range of a crossbow). Is that bad? Isn’t accurate shot placement the goal of all ethical hunting? Does the difficulty of shooting a bow accurately deter people from participating in bowhunting? However, to be successful, a crossbow hunter must master all skills and tactics common to bowhunting. MYTH: Crossbow hunting will squeeze other hunters out. FACT: In states where lengthy crossbow seasons, crossbow hunting is popular. However, no other season or bag limit has ever been reduced as a result of crossbow hunting being permitted. Where permitted, the crossbow does not discriminate in favor of the physically strong. It enables a wider range of sportsmen (women, professionals, youth, and older hunters) to enjoy the challenges of bowhunting. MYTH: Crossbow hunting will wipe out the deer herd FACT: In states with generous crossbow seasons, the success rate of crossbow hunters and vertical bow hunters are virtually the same and the deer populations continue to flourish. MYTH: A crossbow is much more efficient than a vertical bow. FACT: A modern 150# draw weight compound crossbow delivers the same speed and stored energy as a 65-70 pound compound vertical bow. The crossbow requires twice the amount of draw weight because the power stroke (draw length) is half as long as that of the compound bow. If both types of bows launch the same weight arrow at the same speed, how can a crossbow be more efficient and does the deer really care? MYTH: The crossbow controversy creates division amongst sportsmen, and the public image of crossbows makes proposed hunting with them counter to the sportsmen’s interests. FACT: Where permitted, crossbow hunting creates NO controversy except that created by a few individuals who deem themselves and their chosen method of hunting as superior to all others. The public image of crossbows stems from the lack of knowledge of a crossbow’s limited capabilities, as well as the myths touted by those who oppose their use. The TRUE controversy and tragedy of the crossbow issue stems from the time, effort and money spent by so called conservation-minded bowhunting organizations to deny others the opportunity to hunt rather than promoting the virtues of bowhunting to the public. MYTH: There is an independent study which dramatically shows the superior capability of the crossbow (and its development) over the vertical bow. FACT: This study is about as independent as a study on the need for sport hunting by P.E.T.A.. The study was commissioned by the Anti-Crossbow Committee of a national bowhunting group. Its author is a member of that group. Much of the hypothetical development of hunting crossbows and the limiting physical factors which prevent such development in vertical bows within the study have already been proven erroneous. It is the purpose of the game regulations by the state to control what advances in technology are suitable for sporting use. No state permits the use of machine guns and handheld rockets during deer rifle season! MYTH: Because it is not hand-drawn and released, the crossbow is more closely compared to a firearm than a vertical bow. FACT: Opponents to the crossbow often quote an apples and oranges comparison when voicing this smokescreen. The vertical archer, if they are a sportsman/bowhunter, prior to ever going into the field hunting spends hours and hours working on the physical conditioning required by drawing, aiming and shooting their chosen tool – nothing mystical, just physical work. Once the season starts, the act of drawing, aiming and shooting (especially with high let-off compounds utilizing a triggered release aid) is no more difficult for a vertical bowhunter than a crossbow hunter. Movement is required by both (one to draw back the other to raise the crossbow into a shooting position) to obtain the target at an average of less than twenty yards. Both hunters must be accomplished woodsmen to get that close to a whitetail and still mask those necessary movements. MYTH: Nobody wants crossbow hunting except the crossbow manufacturers. FACT: In Ohio, crossbow hunting has been permitted for thirty years and the Ohio Division of Wildlife endorses crossbow hunting and the opportunity it creates enthusiastically. Currently there are more hunters participating in the archery season using a crossbow that are using a hand-held bow. These licensed, legal, law-abiding sportsmen in Ohio are commonly the target of slanderous, erroneous and often untruthful attacks from bowhunting groups opposed to crossbow hunting. Many Ohio crossbow hunters also enjoy shooting with vertical archery tackle. MYTH: Just because crossbow hunting has been a success story in many states like Ohio, Arkansas and Wyoming we don’t want it in ours. All the bowhunters of “our” state and all of “our” enforcement officers are opposed to it. FACT: The crossbow is a challenging but effective short-range, single-shot hunting tool which offers additional hunting opportunity and recruitment to hunting ranks. If such an option in not considered advantageous by the sportsmen and game management agencies within the state, then the huntable wildlife resources of that state are not being managed to maximize opportunity for MOST citizens. The sportsmen’s cause and the future of hunting in that state are therefore at risk. Recruitment to hunting ranks should be the goal of ALL game managers and sportsmen. As long as the hunting tool falls within logical parameters of safe, capable and humane harvest capabilities, such recruitment should not be based upon, “do it my way or you can’t do it at all.” How can any organization which represents such a small percentile of the total number of archery tag purchasers in a state be so presumptuous to speak for all bowhunters and deny others? Does not their small total membership compared to the large number of archery hunters suggest perhaps they do not represent the views of the majority? FACT: It is a fact confirmed by agency statistical data in crossbow hunting states that there are vastly more hunters (or potential hunters) who choose or would choose to hunt with a crossbow than those who oppose them. FACT: Crossbow hunting is documented as safe, responsible and popular where permitted, and has no ill effect on wildlife resources or any other group of sportsmen – other than self-perceived. Ohio ranks the crossbow as a major recruitment tool for women, youth and professionals. The crossbow hunting opportunity does not create division amongst sportsmen – quite the opposite, it gives the firearms hunter a hands-on perspective of the challenges of archery hunting. The REAL concerns surrounding the crossbow hunting opportunity is the concept that there’s no room for recruitment to hunting ranks unless the tool used is one based upon the emotional, purism standards of a few. Wildlife resources should be managed for the most opportunity for most citizens/sportsmen, not for a select few. Facts, not emotion, document the crossbow hunting opportunity as positive for sportsmen and game management programs everywhere it is available for use.

Never took that into consideration. Thanks for sharing that, makes perfect sense. I got my new Avons today. Front and rear. Now when I get over this shoulder injury ,,,,, I wish I had one of those Harbor Freight red tire changers like Freebird has. If anyone has a slightly used one and wants to sell it ???? James Darrell Fultz 1-606-286-2078 Fuzzy

Very well said Earl. I have my problems to. Just like 1joeranger, I have had to apologize for my way of thinking or actions and assuming the worse or the best. I am glad that you posted here again. I feel like the instigator here. Did not mean to though, so please forgive me also. Fuzzy

Yammer, that would depend how hot of a day it is, would it not ? The hotter, the faster you may run. For the ice-cream may melt.

Well said. My feelings exactly. I think both Goose and SkyDoc offer a lot of help to a lot of people here. Thank you both very much and I hope you both continue to help us less fortunate here to figure these things out. Please do not get hurt at one another. We need you both, even in your disagreements we have learnt something here. Thank you again. James Darrell Fultz

Yes, I read that quite some time ago also. Thank you for making that point. It not only includes the amount of traffic, but also the attitude of the drivers in that area. I have helped set up the speed sensors and radars on the roadways for studies. States have done these studies for years in unmarked cars and other ways to help determine speed factors. These speeds are not just picked out at random. There are a lot of different things considered. I believe we are living way to fast and people think they must drive faster to accommodate their lifestyle, silly I know, but take a look at the next vehicle passing you by with no respect to the speed limit and see for yourself. Are they above the law of the land ? Our forefathers put forth efforts to try to keep piece and help all to live to see another day with laws that work. For me I will stay with in my range of 5 miles of the speed limit, unless in an emergency situation or passing. I took my wife to the hospital a while back for possible heart attack. I got onto interstate 64 west and had my emergency flashers on and was running 85 - 90 mile per hour (limit here is 70 mph). I was passed by three vehicles running in excess of my 85 - 90 mile per hour before I got off the interstate. All out of state vehicles. :confused24::confused24:

Sorry about that. Yes I learned real early on that the Avon Venoms where for me. I really like these tires. Some get around 25,000 - 28,000 out of a front tire. I still have some tread on the front, but I think I will go for both. I would have gotten more out of the rear if I had not been in a situation where I locked the back tire up a couple different times to stop for someone pulling out in front of me (around 10,000 miles on the tires then). As I road later on, few months later, the bike started to feel kinda squirrely. So I looked at the rear tire and found the problem. I could see both places where the rubber was thinner and into the threads. So I parked it and have been waiting on the money to buy more Avons. Dennis Kirks rear AM 42 tire is $107.00 and the front AM 41 tire is $127.00 with free shipping.

Thanks,that all makes since. Now I have been enlightened on the front tire. I am going with the regular Avon Am 41 front tire as I said earlier, but I thought I read where some one did put a rear on the front one time. Maybe it was you. I just did not understand the concept of it all. Thank you for the information.

Yes sir, I agree, thank you. Your reaction time is also limited at these higher speeds, even making things a little worse. I work for the State Hwy Dept. and most of these nonsense drivers will not even slowdown much even when the highways become slick and even more hazardous. People will learn to slow down, but I hope it is not at the cost of my life or my families life. I have saw so many nonsense accidents while on the roads working snow and ice removal. I have saw them wrecking before they actually knew it themselves. A vehicle is also only tested at a certain speed to tolerate a crash, they are not tanks. They are 2000 lbs of steel and rubber with explosive fuel on board and some souls or souls inside all this. You are in charge of the driving your vehicle and the safety of not only your selfish self but others around you and with you. I must drive on the same roads as you. This is very serious. I say if you pull them over for 15 mph over the posted speed, give them the stiffest penalty available. If it don't work the first time, take away the right to drive.

I agree, but to find a matching tire in the same size,same design,same manufacture, and more tread depth was kinda intriguing to me. After all, the front and rear tires are really doing the same thing, just less weight on the front I supposed. But I guess that is why the front has the extra tread line in the center, less weight. I am going with the regular front tire. Shucks some people run car tires on their bikes. Not me though, I totally think the car tires are made for cars, I can see the difference there in design. I would not take that chance. I do ride one though, I bet some of those engineers have not even ridden a bike.....

Thanks Randy, I never even took that into consideration. Tread Pattern,:sign02:You are right. So more than likely I will take this advise. But I will see if anyone else has tried the other tire configuration first.

Ok, I am sorry, but it is tire time and I need some information to order. I have found the best price at Dennis Kirks. Beat all others by $ 79.04 . So now for the right front tire question. I have found a rear Avon Venom 42 in the same size as the front. But this tire, Avon Venom AM 42 has greater tread depth 11/32 compared to the same size in Avon Venom AM 41 tread depth of 7/32. AM 41 Front (On front of the bike now 11,414 miles and down to tread mark.) Dimensions: Inflated Width/Measuring Rim Width: 6.3 in./3.5 in. Inflated Diameter: 25.2 in. Acceptable Rim Width: 3.0-4.25 in. Deepest Tread Depth: 7/32 in. Balance DOT: No Directional Arrow: Yes-Front Wheel Speed Rating: H-Rated up to 130 MPH Capacities and Construction: Load Capacity/Inflation Pressure: 761 lbs./42 PSI Load Range: B Bias or Radial Ply: Bias Tread Plies/Material: 4 Nylon Sidewall Plies/Material: 4 Nylon DOT Approved for Road Use: Yes Tube or Tubeless: Tubeless-Can be used with a tube --------------------------------------------------------------------------- AM 42 Rear but in same size - almost identical but with greater tread detph and heavier load capacity Dimensions: Inflated Width/Measuring Rim Width: 5.9 in./3.5 in. Inflated Diameter: 25.4 in. Acceptable Rim Width: 3.0-4.25 in. Deepest Tread Depth: 11/32 in. Balance DOT: No Directional Arrow: Yes Speed Rating: H-Rated up to 130 MPH Capacities and Construction: Load Capacity/Inflation Pressure: 906 lbs./49 PSI Load Range: C Bias or Radial Ply: Bias Tread Plies/Material: 3 Nylon/2 Aramid Sidewall Plies/Material: 3 Nylon DOT Approved for Road Use: Yes Tube or Tubeless: Tubeless-Can be used with a tube ------------------------------------------------------------------- This information was copied and pasted from Dennis Kirk web site. I believe it is correct. Has anyone else tried the AM 42 rear on the front, after all, the biggest difference is the tread depth and sidewall. AM 41 - sidewall 4 nylon - tread ply 4 - nylon, AM 42 - sidewall 3 nylon but tread ply material of 3 nylon/2 Aramid. I am replacing front and rear, 11,414 miles on them of both. Both worn out. Rear worn to the threads in two different places due to when I locked it up twice to avoid accident with people pulling out in front of me.The front is down to the tread wear marks, almost smooth across the tread mark, but with very little 1/8 " tread depth left.

More information for those whom would like to take a little time and contact the district commissioners of the state and ask for full inclusion of the crossbow in archery season. All the phone numbers are here. I think they are up to date as far as I know for now. I am in the process of checking this out. [ATTACH]63756[/ATTACH]

Thanks for the warning Steel Horse. I really had not thought of it that way. I also bought a few targets the other day to show her or refresh her of the correct way to use a pistol. Now you have got me thinking that maybe this could all be a bad idea. :fiddle:

Welcome, :thumbsup2:when you own one of these bikes you need to become a member here. Really good people and well worth the moneys. I have been a member since June of 2008 and have saved a lot of money, way more than the cost of membership. But the hospitality and good friendship and all those that go out their way to help is worth way more than any money that you could ever afford. We have some great times together here on the internet and when we gather together at different gatherings. Now for the paint protection. I like the ReJex wax. Check out this Thread: http://venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=52505&highlight=ReJex

Highly recommend one Steve. They are so far advanced now a days. You might be able to get a good deal on a last year model right now. I researched a lot and went with the Parker Cyclone Express. But there are several cheaper models and still respectful in the speed and kinetic energy range for a shot out to 30 - 40 yards even. The Cyclone has the adjustable stock like an assault rifle, this makes it user friendly for my wife if she wants to use it and hunt with me.

Glad all went well Jeff. I thank God that he watched over her. Nice to have children to be proud of. I have a daughter also that I am very proud of. She is working at the hospital and finishing her college. Now if you can just keep her from over doing it and hurting herself while healing.... Good luck with that. She will be wanting to go-go-go.

Nice DragonRider, good work. Although I would shorten them long bolts in the bottom of the tour pack if possible, or go the other way and shorten them. Just a thought. :thumbsup2:

The state of PA just got good news yesterday. They have become full inclusive of the crossbow. The vote was 8 to 0 in favor. They are one of the biggest bow/deer hunting states in the East.:thumbsup2:

Sorry to hear that Jeff. We will keep her and the family in our prayers. I sure would like to know what is going on with our young people. So many getting hurt and ending up in surgery for joint damage or tendons or mussels. Are their joints weaker now a days or is it something we are eating or not eating ? I do not understand. But it just seems that so many are having problems like this. I thought that I sent this reply this morning, but evidently I typed it and forgot to confirm. Hope all is well.

Well, start saving your money Jeff. There are several sites that I have been keeping up with on the crossbow issue there in WI. Check this out, Daniel Hendricks (president of the American Crossbow Federation) interview at the 2011 ATA show. You should try to do your part and contact the WI Fish and Wildlife Department. http://www.horizontalbowhunter.com/Columns/AllHBMNews/tabid/136/ctl/ArticleView/mid/575/articleId/122/Interview-With-Dan-Hendricks.aspx:thumbsup2:

Enjoy Kreg, Happy Birthday.:thumbsup2:

I agree, you should try a crossbow. They are so much fun to shoot. Children, with your help cocking of course, really enjoy shooting these bows to. Be sure to teach them to keep their fingers down away from the rail. The new ones have safety features that keep your forearm fingers away from the rail. Most all are scoped and very accurate now a days. Nothing like they used to be 5 years ago. I used to shoot my dear friends,Bill Rose. Bill passed away and left me with found memories of several hunts. His crossbow was so old and heavy, you could almost hang a 10 lb bag of flour on the trigger. Now the same manufacturer makes them with a range of around 3 - 4 lbs of trigger pull, and around 5-8 lbs in weight, nice. Very, very, very, accurate, same hole accuracy with most, and even the $300 to $450 range bows. I have a Parker Cyclone Express that shoots 340 feet per second and is 3 1/2 lb trigger. Scoped with a multi-reticle lighted ring center. I love it. Shooting it is a ball of fun. You better shoot at different spots or you will be buying several arrows. I belong to the Crossbow Nation Forum, check it out. http://www.crossbownation.com/forum2/ :thumbsup2: