YamahaParExcellence

I have read lots of user content on this forum, that when addressing a second rider, they refer to him or her, as a 'passenger', as their passenger. Following is personal viewpoint and commentary; I use to also refer to my wife, or anybody else many years ago, as a passenger...but then, got truly thinking of what she actually was, or any of my three children----->back there. Was she, or they, merely a rubber-necking 'passenger', enjoying mind relaxing, and zoning out to the great location-of-tour scenery we were moving through? Or...should she, or they, be a fully 'integrated' part of the riding duo...like an Air force or USN pilot and his/her 'rear'...watching out for bogies surrounding them at any time. So, I had a discussion one day with my wife, while we were riding somewhere,and asked her to be **much more** than a 'passenger' back there,... but to please be my 'rear'....and to keep watch diligently from the left, or from the right side of the roadway....for 'bogies', that can cause threat to a motorcycle, as much as a ground-to-air missile attack on a jet fighter! I said; "Hon...from now on, you don't get to just zone out...and enjoy the view...but...YOUR MISSION, hon...is to be our 'bogie' scout. I'm controlling the bike's direction and speed, and mostly need to keep my attention to the roadway, traffic way up ahead, debris that might be upon the road up ahead...so...**YOUR** mission is what can threaten us from the sides of the road...WILD LIFE, as well as a second pair of eyes to what's coming up...my redundant set of eyes!" We had a good discussion on this...and from that very day on, I saw a marked change in her...for she was much more **engaged** (and proud) IN the tour and time in the saddle. She told me that she felt, since that great discussion, that we were a true **team** now, and more invovled,...with her formal assignment to look out for her 'due diligence, side of things'. On that day, she became a: Co-Rider... ...with as much responsibility for our welfare, as I was ,sitting in front of her... From that day on, as a riding team, we both felt more connection to each other, as a formal safety responsibility 'mandate', to the each of us. It's been great from that day forward, folks! So, some still might say, that I have a passenger back behind me. Some might say,... yes, I have a co-rider behind me. Some might say, hey...let me think about this...you have a point! "Hey Hon....let's talk about assigning each of us a formal responsibility when upon Tour..." Potato...and 'Potaaato', personal commentary. One thing to never not keep thinking about...is to always--->Ride, (your speed, your attention and sight line, into a curve) to Ride again! Bring yourself, your co-rider, and that bike home...each ride. Everyone, please ride safe this coming season!!!! Too many 'bogies' out there today, in the form of wildlife, road debris...and inattentive, cell-phone tapping, distracted drivers. Let all of us come home safe...from each ride, the each of us! Post Edit: One other thing, is that years ago, my wife and I when attending a GWRRA event down south...listened to a lecture and demonstration of what a co-rider should/could do, if for any reason, she or he, saw that the rider was starting to slump, or call out in distress (heart attack, stroke) and could lose control of the motorcycle at any speed...was to push the rider forward,... have their chest contact the tank top...and reaching over their reclining body, to then stand upon her/his pegs, or floor boards...and grab hold of the handle bars...gain control of the clutch/ and front brake lever, and throttle grip...and then, slowly move the bike under gentle front braking action, to the shoulder of the road..whereby the bike would pitch over, and fall over, at no forward speed, to the right, at full stop, and then she or he, could take command of the situation...attend to the stricken rider...and seek help of any nature. This was a fabulous technique...and relied upon the co-rider checking in, either by speech into the Intercom...or just a gentle squeeze or tap upon the shoulder of the rider..to make sure they were ok..and fully attentive every 10 or 15 minutes, if both were not talking. If you have never heard of this technique, or seen it demonstrated, I highly suggest you look into it. It can one day...absolutely save the both of you, from critical injury and/or death!!! Cheers, Joe

I guess you can get around anything if you think upon a matter as you have done. Congrat's...but...but...near $500.00 (for two Freewires)...ouch! We both have the J&M 801 Elite series head-sets, and will be corded in connection. I only hope that that can mic-input (separate) by means of VOX command, C.B. traffic and Intercom traffic in a software update. I do know that it has been around a month, since the latest download version: 12.0.6. was taken down off the download site...(they site bug/problems as the reason) and have heard through the grape-vine, that they are working on a truly big tune/feature set update that will be released in its stead. Hopefully...they get it, that owners that have C.B. capability WOULD want to have that on to listen in the background to traffic/construction/back-up head's up chatter, and still carry on a conversation with the co-rider! Let's certainly hope so....

I'll bet you anything that it is the ribbon connector. They get pulled on and stressed, when you put your Wing onto the center stand, or off..or you torque on the grips for ANY reason. Nine out of ten times, it is a broken or severed wire in that ribbon..and the only thing that can be done,...is a new grip. Ask me how I know..., and one more thing...so retarded how Honda this in the wiring harness...but the entire heating system...grips, seat(s) are serial wired, like old Christmas and Christmas tree lights. If any of the grips stop working...bad wire, stressed/pulled wire/severed wire, NOTHING that heats will work. One of your grips goes south...and you don't use them much anyway..but you use the heated saddle? Too bad...it's all dead, until you find the part that has failed, and replaced it with new. A very bad design, that is in all Goldwings with heated grips and seats.

"So you know how to steal something outta the locked trunk...! Oops!"

Got it! Understand the logic flow. Thank you. Very clever, until hopefully, a software rewrite for just corded connections that I wish to only run with. A very good and developed discussion, Zelth. Cheers! Joe

Bump, this is still available for $179.99, but there is a Super Coupon for 20% off until the end of this month..so you can get this lift for: $143.99...which in this guy's view..is an amazing purchase opportunity. Only until the end of April...(with Super Coupon).

Ah...got it...ok...then you're a winner! Let us know how that all works out. Good go...forgot that you have sub-menus on those features... Wait a minute...er...if you turn off those features...then you will still be back to how to hear your wireless content..that now will not be heard through your J&M speakers, for your Intercom traffic. You'd now have to also install your BT helmet speakers as well. Is there enough room in the helmet recess for this?

Oh...warning...like the robot on Lost in Space...warning....then the end bottom line, is that you are STILL going to be under the auspices of the bike's 'corded' system...and you are only transmitting in BT-free...TO the infotainment system. That being...then you still have the end result of having the INFOTAINMENT system software (at present confg) sending all that mic channel traffic----> (your helmet to helmet BT) out upon the Infotainment mic routing channel...both Intercom AND C.B., even if you are not hearing it through the cord...but still cooking it out to the C.B., if that radio is also set to on. Robot...Robbie...warning, lol! Let's hope you get what you intend...the separation..but now how you explain it...you are in control of wirelessly---> getting it to the bike's Infotainment system, but the bike still will process that mic info, no matter how the front end got it there!!!! I still believe so...but hope for you, that you're going to get true separation of state and religion, lol. Good luck, Zelth! Joe

Yeah..I see that that might work...BT for for blah, blah.. helmet to helmet wireless transmission, and then you are as you say, still corded into the bike for PTT transmit over the C.B. You go, guy...well thought out...but one thing that I don't quite get. Ok..let's say you are corded into your J&M headset...how do you also have a blue tooth connection to the same channel? Wouldn't one cancel out the other? If not...how are you going to feed your BT, to the J&M, or are you going have to thread two speakers..side by side into the helmet space...the speakers that come with your BT set up to hear, and receive your BT Intercom traffic? That's the only way this guy sees you doing this...no?

Very true, and a good tip!

Simply FANTASTIC! Thank you, friend! "Music", to my ears, er..eyes.... Thanks again. The excitement meter is ramping up... What really shines for my usage M.O., is that not only music do I listen to...but love the talk -->Patriot channel, yep..I'm a Conservative, lol ....and Mark Levin...I'm a Mark Levin fan. To be able to tour hundreds of miles and still keep the same channel on, music or talk radio, sports (to listen to college or professional football, upon tour...is a fantastic infotainment option!) To think that neither my wife, or myself must be 'held' hostage' to either of our stream content, as was on the 2008 Wing...wow...what a powerful first for Yamaha! Wow....happy husband, and happy wife...as the miles fly by the rear tire.... You simply can't get this same level of obtainment, from even the cell phone and internet. Never mind the cost of account and download MB's. BTW, and I'm sure you are already aware, that the Dual Zone Content can only be accessed by corded connection to the bike. No wireless capability at present, and probably never will be. Yamaha cited wireless band-width as the reason they could not also include this feature for BT, as the same reason for the bike to transmit to BT, Intercom traffic. Technically not available to them... This radio will get well used...

Thanks for the typo mistake head's-up, either that, or now being in my 60's, lol! You didn't get a trial sub? You should have, at least in Canada it comes with a 3 month free sub. I'm playing around with the idea of either using on-board my Sirius (thank you!) portable, via the 12 volt plug in...and having it sit in the locked right side pocket, would need to modify, or have it gently closed to just touching the cable to the portable...but do I really want to have the bother and clutter? I still want it in the house and car...so would have to have 2 subscriptions...which is a pi** off! I guess the other thing one can do, would be to pay the reduced second subscriptions rate, but then add it onto your account in the Spring, and then delete it in the late Fall, for the big sleep. Choices... Thanks for the '3 bars comment. That is great...one of the major problems with having Sirius on the Goldwing...was the wonky placement of the antenna, and most riders, merely stopped using the service, due to constant drop outs, or no signal at all! Great to read it is hot on the SVTC!

Be careful with that, lol...for you will be only wireless, transmitting to the bike..but then the bike will see that as 'mic input'...and that I still think will be sent to whatever radio is active and on-line. I'd check for sure, before you realize you are on a Tennessee Party Line, no matter via cord, or Bluetooth, lol! Cheers, Joe

Can anybody tell me...when you picked up your bike, was the Sirius XM trial subscription already initialized by the dealer? Can you also comment as to the signal strength, it shows...like for instance if there is a highest icon of 3 bars...does your bike capture the sat signal at the '3 bar' level? Any comments would be appreciated as I wait. I love Sirius XM and use it all the time on my portable unit. House, car, etc.

I read that it is on the way. Hopefully you guys can report any updates or add-on features, etc. We also want to see a clear separation between having both the Intercom and C.B. radio as active. Your (at present) Intercom traffic should NOT be broadcast live over whatever channel you are set to, on the C.B. , but unfortunately for now, that traffic does... Be warned!

"Oh my...I could inhale that through my left nostril! "I want more, sir..."

Will be all ears!

I thought I'd share some of our snaps, that I took, in visiting my 'Bucket List' Boston, Massachusetts, and Bangor, Maine motorcycle tour upon our red GL1800 Premium/Nav Hope you enjoy. The favorite sequence was the chance to tour the magnificent 'Old Ironsides'. She still is a fully commissioned, ship-of-the-line, U.S.N. warship. Yep!

Looks very nice. Where ever you go, the kids are always with you. Nice touch! How do you like the bike, so far? Any personal rider comments to date?

Thanks for the suggestions, Puc. Will place them in our to-tour arsenal! Here's some shots of my same bike tour...but at Antietam National Battlefield: Can't imagine the horror that befell the rolling landscape on that fateful day. Took the 4 hour walking tour with tour guide, and is highly recommended! You learn so much, of what you are viewing... As for asking me the question; For you too? Yes...I spent 3 hours alone in the Gettysburg Museum, walking from exhibit to exhibit. I so highly recommend to other riders, that this is a must tour, Gettysburg, Antietam, and do so if you can, in mid September, to early October...to start catching any colors that get painted, great accommodation rates and every restaurant has a table waiting for just YOU! Oh...one thing...be VERY CAREFUL in Maryland, West Virginia, and Pennsylvania. They use the portable speed camera's EVERYWHERE...every back-water county road, where they think bikers might er...'enjoy' the ride. Be warned! It's not the troopers that you have to worry about...it's all the portable speed cameras they set up...and move around all the time!!! https://www.nps.gov/anti/index.htm Post Edit: Just my suggestion, that this is not a two-up, couple tour. For the time that the rider (usually the guy part of the relationship, lol) wants to really get in-depth at all the battlefields...might be, and is usually too much for the 'better half' unless she is as much into the subject of the tour, as you are. Just a suggestion. My wife has a dawdling interest in the Civil War..and in knowing that...we discussed my swinging on over to Penn, Maryland, and West Virginia on my own. It worked out, lol! A great Fall tour....myself and Charlotte!

So, let us know what new bike is in the offing? Those tax refunds have to go somewhere!

Hi Doug, Ok...then I have a suggestion, to off-set the obviously longer length of the bike aft, or the forward favoring engine cradle. Obvious to me, by your lift experience, that the tour trunk and bags are creating a significant 'fulcrum' effect on vertical center-of-gravity. No problem though...with my try-it-out, suggestion; Buy some 1/4 inch thick out-door grade (it's a better glue) plywood, and measuring the width of the rear slat, cut off a number of pieces of plywood, cut to the length of the rear Pit Bull lift support/slat (this is what I will do, when I get my SVTC home and try to lift it and if I get the same front-wheel-light observance) Then using your cut 1/4 thick plywood slats (as shims), start placing one or two on the back Pit Bull slat..and then bring the slat to meet the frame. Start a 2 inch or 3 inch lift sequence. Watch the front end. If it comes off the floor two/three inches, and there is no true rocking back and forth front to back, back to front on the bike...I'd lower the Pit Bull, and put one more 1/4 inch 'shim' on the back slat..and then raise the bike two inches off the floor once more. Grab the handlebars and press down or up..to see how much force it takes to give a comfortable 're-weighting' of the front end of the bike. If you need another plywood shim...and have the room...use another, until you are satisfied, Doug. That's what I am going to do, if I find the same situation as you. When you arrive at how many slats are needed to create the over-all 'thickness' of your new rear slat shim, drill three holes across it, and countersink three screws to hold then all together, then place a top layer of any kind of rubber to cushion between the lower frame member, and the top of your new plywood shim. On the BOTTOM of the shim, I'd glue a piece of black medium grain, sanding paper (the black stuff for metal/brass, etc) grain side down. That will 'catch' the top of the Pit Bull slat face and give better 'grab' purchase. Because the back will lift higher than the front Pit Bull slat...you will need to use, and make a hard rubber material buffer pad that will take up the airspace created by the pitch forward angle of the bike frame as it rests upon the front slat. Just use some non scratching hard rubber, with the right thickness to take up the air space at the back edge of the front slat. That in a nutshell, are my suggestions, Try that, and let me know if that was the solution. Cheers, Joe

Doug, can you reduce the fulcrum effect and move the two support slats closer together, and is your back support just under the drive pulley if seen from the right rear side? Also, even if the front wants to come up first, does the rear end follow, with the rear wheel leaving the ground?

Well that's great then. I paid twice as much as that at the Yamaha dealer. You got a great deal, then! Kudos! This is the actual Yamaha part number of which I purchased: DBY-ACC56-13-20

Here's another shot of the prior; Charlotte...waiting at Gettysburg Battlefield. I went down there by myself, to visit the site..and had a ball touring Penn State, Maryland, and West Virginia, in early October. This was a great bike...and I hope the SVTC will carry on the 'family tradition'