Dragonslayer

Good for you you will save a lot of bucks. If your interested I'm gonna disect and part out old motor. I never had any transmission problems and your welcome to those used parts that are in mine if you want them.

Go for it Nic. good you have help see pics on what I had to do to get motor back in frame without help. Glad you took my advice on work area location. I guess the hose defrosted.

Yea but you would have to cut 4200 yards to earn enough money to pay a shop to do this. Buy an manual and get your hands dirty. The best tech advice I've found is right here ready and willing to help. You'll find it a lot, cheaper and more rewarding to DIY.

I'm gonna repost my rephrashed question on a new thread title " need hel p on 1990 1300 carb specs" to get fresh input.

Yes

Yes, all of them where deformed with pin holes.

I got one i'll loan you. I won't be needing it for a while just mail it back when your done. I bought it off ebay but I hardly ever see them.

Thanks for info on prong tabs. I've found permanent fix for flat tab that break off under radio panels. Check pics. I built a cardboard dam duct taped to inside fairing under tabs and filled space with fiberglass resin the trick is to let nut clip with screw turned all the way in harden in place with the resin and at the last moment before resin completely hardens take the screw out which leaves a void within hardened resin for screws so that you can screw in and out. I also poured resin in the corners of the inside of fairings where stress cracks tend to appear and proped fairing up at an angle so resin would stay in place and not run while solidifying. this reinforces corners so that stress cracks don't reapear.

My 87VR always had carburation problems ever since I acquired her used at 40k miles. The last mechanic that worked on it before I gave up on other techs, and took over the full responsibility of being the only one to work on it told me that the intakes that were on the bike when i got it were the wrong intake manifolds. He said the ones on the bike were vmax manifolds that had a crossover port that the 87 xvz1300 did not have. He explained that the extra ports were sucking air that affected the air intake with the gas mixture to intake port causing the gas/air mixture feed to the spark plugs to be wrong. The end result was that the fuel burn was rich and the bike didn't idle properly and the fuel burn in the cylinder was not efficient causing poor ignition at the spark plug. It sounded reasonable to me so i gave him the OK to order the right intake manifolds. It ran a little better for a while but the same poor performance quickly returned. Then the bike died altogether. Note: The next few paragraphs are background describing my mental reference at the time If you not interested in my thought process and want to skip to the point scroll down to the paragraph heading "The Point". It was at that point that I started believing that i was the proud owner of a dinosaur too old for reliable professional service and abandoned by Yamaha since a lot of the parts i needed were no longer available. And the parts that were available were so cost prohibitive that I couldn't justify the expenditure needed to keep her alive. I was almost ready to part her out. In fact the Yamaha dealers wouldn't even talk to me about working on it since it was more than ten years old. Evidently Yamaha in their marketing strategy has decided to only stand behind their product for no longer than ten years. As much as that pisses me off I guess I can understand that they have to cater to the new money and twenty year old + bikes are past history, from their corporate point of view. But as a builder and contractor that has made my living built on my reputation of providing quality work and a man of character that stands behind his product, engineering, service and workmanship no matter how longs it been, I felt deserted and violated. So anyway I had a decision to make. Do I give up on her, Part her out and and commit her usable organs to Ebay. Or do I stand by the old girl and fight for her life even though she was on Life support and could possible already be dead. I started looking at new Goldwings, BMW 1200's, Victory Visions. The ride on the Goldwings somehow felt like a park bench, the BMW's had a nice ride but the saddle didn't fit my crouch, the vision took my breath the first time I saw it. As I was considering it as a option the reoccurring thought that popped into my mind was about if George Jetson rode a motorcycle it would be the Victory Vision. I was weighing out my options when I investigated ebay for the first time as marketing research to test the market for used 87 Venture Royal parts. My plan at that time was to generate the down payment on a new bike by parting out my 87VR. To my amazement I found out that ebay offered what Yamaha no longer did and what I needed could be won realitively cheaply on the internet ebay auction. The first Auction I won on ebay was a set of Carbs from Sean Hess (Hessforless ebay seller & member of VentureRiders.org) which I was sure was the root of my bike problems. During that transaction I talked to Sean on the phone and he told me about Venturerider.org God Bless you Sean. Well I BELIEVE THAT LIFE IS ABOUT TRIAL AND ERROR. Thomas Eidison was once asked about his failures in testing 300 and something different materials to use as the filament for the light bulb before he discovered that carbon tungsten worked. His response was, "None of those test were failures, in fact I succeed in all of those test by discovering what did not work". Dragonslayer philosopy: Failures are learning experiences you can profit by. Am I rambling? The carbs didn't fix the problem so I timidly entered a tech thread that seemed to be related to the problems that I was experiencing and asked for help as a newby to VR.org. GeorgeS (my VR.org hero) responded offering his assistance. Typical of what I have since discovered is the nature of this club and it's members he selflessly committed his considerable time addressing and walking me through troubleshooting and fixing my bike. God Bless you GeorgeS, God Bless you VR.org each of you one and all. With his help and others we breathed new life into her. With all of that said I'll get to the point. She ran better than she ever did. Well enough for me to feel good enough about her to break her down for a new paint job and going over which I completed just in time to make the Clay18 Bike presentation. Which was the first time I had met any of ya'll in person. Muffinman stepped up at that event to offer to sync my carbs in the parking lot. An offer I deeply appreciated and humbly accepted. Even though I felt that I had managed to get the sync fairly close judging by her improved performance. I was floored to discover from muffinmans carb sync that the intakes were still sucking outside air and as Muffinman explained it, meant that the current efficiency was equivalent of operating on 2 1/2 carbs instead of four. Evidently I still had some work to do. I limped thru last summer diagnosing low compression problems on one cylinder, chasing Ohm demons through the electrical and electronic systems then finally starter clutch failure on top of the never resolved carb problems. So I committed to another ground up going over including a new to me, used 9000mile 1990 model engine. During that process i won a ebay auction for a November 1986 issue of Cycle Magazine which evaluated the 1987xvz1300 Venture Royal with technical changes from 1986 to 1987. The Point One of the technical points the article mentioned was larger carb bores from the 34 mm mikunis to 35 mm mikunis in 1987. And I quote, "These measurements come from the carb's mouths- at the venturis, the jump is even bigger: 30.3mm in 85, 31.6mm in 86. To even out the mixture, both pilot and main jets grow larger this year yet fuel consumption remains remarkably close to the numbers from our last test unit." When I first read that information it didn't mean anything to me. During the history of my ownership and the foregoing background dialog I have ended up with three different sets of intake manifolds. All of which look exactly the same visually. But on the work bench they got mixed up. Then as I was preping carbs to mount on new motor I noticed that some seemed to fit tighter on carb mouths than others.:lightbulb:I Got out the ruler and guess what? There is a measurable difference in the opening (Where carb throat inserts in intake boot.) size between the three different sets of Intake manifolds/boots. is it possible that my problem all along was that the intake manifolds were not the same year as the carbs therefore the clamps did not fully constrict the boots around the carb throats and therefore not completely sealing or preventing air being sucked through that incomplete seal. I have no clue what year carbs I bought off ebay nor do I know what year each set of intake boots are. I figure that I will us the tightest fitting set to mount to this new (to me)1990 motor. Then the next question occurred to me that I would welcome some input on... I wonder how many internal carb changes might have occurred between whatever year carbs I have and the 1990 motor I'm getting ready to mount them to and to what degree will those changes adversely effect the performance of the 1990 motor potential performance. These carbs just got brand new diaphragms and fuel enrichment/air cut off diaphragms if I'm gonna need to change jets to match 1990 engine I rather do it now while they're on the bench instead of putting it all back together and having to do it later.

That's cool, I'd almost get a TATOO of that.

Yea, I'm thinking I'll ride the bike and pull my little bike trailer with all the camping gear. I camped last time I went at Ormond Beach next to harley dealer and had a great time.

Can't decide if I want to take the motorhome and pull the bike or ride the bike and puill the trailer.

Whatever blows your skirt Up

I'm turning the corner on getting my bike together and just found out today the my schedule on current work project was just extended 3 weeks so it looks like my schedule and bike rebuild will come together just in time to make daytona Bike week ( Feb 29- March 9). I was just curious to find out who was planning to make it to daytona and how many were riding and how many were towing. If your planning to go let me know what dates you'll be there if towing or riding, or if your interested in hooking up for ride down or back or hooking up in daytona.

Would love to hook up in Atl or Daytona, Give me a call I believe cell phone number is on profile or direct e-mail is there as well. I work out of my house so call anytime. Got engine mounted on frame today the rest is just a matter of putting her back together. I'm just hoping I don't have any problems getting her fired up and running that will delay me from leaving.:fingers-crossed-emo:fingers-crossed-emo

The right side bezel is no longer available from Yamaha but they show up on ebay all the time. one sold last night for $75.00. i made the one I'm using right now out of a piece of diamond plate step tread i had laying around the shop. It works fine until i can snag one in good shape at what i'm willing to pay for it. I've got a few pieces for right side, see picture and let me know if you can use any of them. I rushing to get my 87 back together in time for daytona. The clocks ticking. Looks like your dealing with Owner/operator failure. As long as you got your other rides take your time and wait for the deals for the parts you need. Don't let anyone discourage your project. I'd love to get a good project at a good price. At least after I finish the 87.

Your in great shape, I've got extras of a lot of what you need that I haven't put on ebay yet if your interested or you can catch on ebay at good prices if you are delligent on watching the auctions. Avoid Yamaha if possible since thier prices are obseen and should be investigated by the Federal Trade commission. I use Yamaha as little as possible and only as a last chance resource. A lot of after market vendors have the same stuff much cheaper if you know how to look for them. .A Valuable lesson I learned when I was in the boat business. With any type of recreational vehicle Factory recommended authorized replacement parts sold through them gives them a license to steal. They don't make the parts they buy them from the same vendors you can, put them in thier own packaging and mark them up to thier customers 500 to 1000%. Example Boat Motors, Mercury MerCruiser Inboard, outboard Factory authorized replacement water coolant thermostat, $140.00 same thermostat from Napa auto parts 10 years ago 4 to 5$. The corporate mentallity being if you have the dispossable income for recreational vehicles you won't balk at paying $140.00 for a 5$ part. But be cautioned if there is still a warranty on the original vehicle or part in some cases you could be voiding warranty. Through trial and error i have developed a process to repair broken plastic pieces to better than factory original for pennies on the dollar if you don't mind spending your time and effort. You can buy a fish and eat a meal or learn to fish and eat a lifetime. Last time I bought a fairing from Yamaha, right side was no longer available, left side was over $500.00. See before and after pics of left fairing currently in the paint booth. Less $20.00 in materials and about 4 to 5 hours labor. I'll be glad to share this process with you, or you can watch and wait for what you need on ebay a get lucky enough to win auction. and get good deals depending on what your goals and needs are. Do you want quick and easy money no object have some time to kill to wait for a deal want it now as cheap as possible and don't mind learning how to fish. Rusty bolts see pics

I don't think infectious covers it Addictive, all consuming, preoccupation, Life's mission, labor of love may be a better choice of words. Just remember ebay, ebay,ebay to save :mo money:I can't agree with mother instinct I say ride, ride, ride show if off be proud of what you've done. (just me). I believe becoming an owner of a Vr is more about devine providence instead of luck. Yell if you need help there is a lot of talent on this web sight.

Please forgive me for sticking my nose in grown folks business, Buuuuuuuuuuttttt, I can't resist. I would like to offer these comments regarding your aforementioned quote. Now Lowell, 1st of all...........Yea right like WE really believe a VR could lose at anything to a Harley. I'm sure that whatever your new motorcycles problems are (and we do need to see pictures so we know what we're working with here)........ it's probably unfair to blame a Harley right off the bat. Thats Assuming you were referring to the Harley Davidson motorcycles, that is....Lowell, just think about it, when was the last time you saw a Harley be able to even catch a VR....Much less beat HER (Yes HER, She should always be addressed in the feminine gender referrence, you wouldn't refer to your wife as an IT would you? So why would you refer to your new mistress as an It?) Now Lowell, I've seen your photo Gallery and I know you know what I'm talking about. That 86 and 89 don't stay that shinny by themselves. Somebody has been rubbing on them. And I would bet my bottom dollar it was probably you, wasn't it? Be honest, you can tell me. I promise not to tell your wife if I ever get to meet her that you now have three mistresses. That'll just be our secret. Speaking of your photo Gallery, I noticed the Daytona 2006 emblem on the picture of your gauge cluster. So you were that lone Venture rider I kept seeing several times that week. That was right after I got my 87VR and before I found my way to Venturerider.org. I kept looking for you because I had a lot of questions and I wanted to pick your brain. But you probably didn't reconize me because I was riding a friends loaned Goldwing. My bike was in the shop in Atlanta, where it stayed for four months while the Harley certified mechanics (Since none of the Yamaha dealers were interested in talking to me about my 10+ year old VR), were scratching thier heads trying to figure out how she ticked........Never mind I'm getting off the point. Oh Yeah your new mistress...... Now since you mentioned that you felt SHE still had a lot of Hart left in her I'm somewhat concerned. Having not seen any photos yet is it possible that the 93's current condition is due to an Motorcycle/Deer Collision. If you meant Heart, than that's good and I'm guessing the CGI checks out and there are no problems with the ignition circuit and she will crank and run. If so that's a good starting point. With the combined talent, expertise, resources, overall kindness, selflessness and good will of the members of Ventureriders.org your project bike will be winning trophies in beauty contest in no time. But if she's really been knocked down hard as you suggested and there is major frame and/or engine damage it may be kinder to ease her suffering by putting her out of her misery. No Venture deserves to suffer. You may want to consider keeping her for a parts bike or parting her out so she can donate her usable parts to other Ventures in need, (and future proud Venture owners and potential Venturerider.org members) through the ebay auctions. That way you can recoup some bucks on your investment maybe even turn a profit. But since I haven't seen any pictures and only have your post to go by, If she has feet instead of wheels and tires I don't know what to tell you and you will need all the you can get. Hope you didn't pay much. You weren't when you found her were you? Not that it's any of my business, Just asking.

Refer to murphy's law of shop space, which reads: all available shop space will always be filled to the brim with components of past postponed projects that you plan on getting back to one day, or future high priority projects preventing you from clearing out that space. Therefore forcing you to seek additional space for current high prioty project. Check out my post on Poor Man's tips and fixes 2/2/08 "Making Engine show r eady" and picture Gallery " Current bike rebuild project", or more specifically converting all season sun room den to Venture body shop/ Paint booth :thumbsup2:Upside Only paint booth I have heard of with HVAC, Wide screen TV,Surround sound. Note: finding out that sanding dust does affect DVD Changer in detrimental ways. Downside, Sun Room Trashed:thumbdown: If your married don't try this at home.:no-no-no::no-no-no::no-no-no:

I did one time ride the Venture to the hunting club with my 30-06 strapped on the back. On the way I rode past a Boss Hoss dealership that was having an open house. When I pulled in to check it out the attending crowd of bikers got a big kick out of it. Other than that I normally don't carry a firearm on the bike. I figure if I every run into trouble while riding I will just unsheath my sword or knock them off their horse with my lance.

Thanks, the paint is turning out but it's been a tuff job and a hell of a lot of work as a novice painter. I don't know if my hands will ever be the same color again. You can count of me riding it around alot showing it off when I get it all back together. And Buford is just down the road. I'm in, around and through Buford all the time. I'm sure we will connect maybe at one of the new monthly Ga M&E. On the subject of parting bike out in house, see my thread 2/2/08 on Poor Man's tips and fixes forum titled " Making Engine Show Ready" and more specifically Danob11's reply and my answer on same thread. That should give you some insight and by best advice on the subject.

The windsheild is still a work in progress, not finished with it yet. (See Photo 2) I'll add a post later explaining what the images in the scene symbolize.

:ice_thy-vi101212101I was real pleased at the way the motor turned out. Check my post on Poors Man's tips and fixes forum (2/2/08) titled " Making the engine show ready". On that thread I describe step by step what I did to the engine. But, now i'm somewhat stuck on a small pyshics problem getting the engine installed. Need help with the math.:sign09:I can't remember my high school algebra and pyshics. I was so sure I would never need that stuff so I forgot it. See 1st photo A= (my physical strength + 2hands available - cordination)X B= (additional person's physical strength + 2 hands available + cordination)+C= (available tools and equipment on hand)+ D=(Height motor needs to be raised to be mounted on frame)= E=(motor mounted on frame and project progresses) (A=1)x(B=0)+(C=1)+ (D=8")= (E=11) What's wrong with the math? (A=)+(B=)+(C=)+(8")= (E=) The windsheild is still a work in progress, not finished with it yet. (See Photo 2) I can't wait to see it mounted on the bike at night with the light on underneath it on which should make the image pop out. I'll add a post later explaining what the images in the scene symbolize. Yea, I'll be at the M&E, In the truck, Don't think I'll get the math problem solved by then.

the Yammer, Check the thread on the Poor Man's Tips and Fixes forum I posted a couple of days ago titled "Making the engine show ready". On that post I described what I had done to the motor step by step. The product I used on the block made by Dupli-Color is sold at Auto Zone. Bob