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Well Casey you are right! For those of us that ran bikes before modern gas mixes battery and coil voltage was what we had to kick start thru. In those days we had lousy electrics like batteries you had to shake and coils that leaked. Combustion in a cold engine is the hardest combustion to achieve. So a fat crushing spark under compression makes it or breaks it. 11 volts time X (60/70...) if there's fuel gets them going quick. Many times old bikes only measure 8ish at the coils, sometimes it's the house but more often than not its the old wiring! On mine often I would need to roll her out in the winter which is when I used to project fuel stuff for the spring/summer. That old MKII could fire up at minus 18C with no problem but I saw to it that it had house right at the terminals.

Hi Sylvester... 1St I will express my condolences as to the news of your fathers passing. I couldn't find the post you mention above? So a quick check could go like this: Start the bike cold close choke and grip to 1/4 throttle turn, may spotter a bit but, if she catches her wind then, coils are good, fuel is getting through, pilots are blocked! That is way too many carb rebuilds....... Time to drain the bowls and save these hassles.

Right on! I didn't give up and soaked it all up. True and most certainly as the morning sun will come up, after I get up, I will give it all up, that was held up while waiting on my boys to give up the washroom;)

A couple of thoughts for you to keep in mind when you get back at it. What you will be attempting is best described as chasing ghosts; the reason is that you may find one obvious fail, get distracted by it, believe you’ve solved the problem but, more often than not on a 40 year old harness there’s a lot more going wrong then obvious. DuRon and Jeff are on to the same issue, and they are both right. But because you are sure its DC volts then safe to assume the rectifier is working!? The regulator seems to be hit and miss. Getting back to the front lamp circuit, if it has more than battery voltage metered at the head lamp then it has the same throughout that circuit green & yellow wires! There can be an exception to this only but if the factory harness has been altered then it is possible to have more voltage pertaining to one end of a circuit verse the other end. Example a broken green or yellow wire somewhere before the front lamp but still good further back so, one might just run a separate feed to the front lamp say from the relay and allow the rest of the circuit (flashers, tail light…) to be left as is! Opening the harness is common on old bikes. Cleaning every harness connector, switch and ground is in most cases a necessity. Not much information on your bike but I did read stator outputs from 30 to 50 volts. The rectifier & regulator or RR: The circuit I trace is the RR, the stator feeds it,(skipping over exciter..) when you turn the key on you feed battery voltage to the RR, the RR MUST see an accurate voltage, this means a clean zero volt loss, in other words true battery voltage! This on an old system is a lot to expect, so, every contact point must be cleaned and this includes harness connectors! Also this RR needs to switch open/closed constantly, it does so thru the ground/earth and again this ground MUST be checked for impedance. These are the connectors I circled in green at the RR, so if you read no voltage loss there, you may be able to skip the ing. Switch cleaning; same for the ground check it there for impedance. Anyways checking the complete harness is the best way to get the bike to be more reliable.

Well my first thoughts on the news of the gen 3 having read a bit and heard what Canadian pricing was scheduled at was - the Cavalcade blunder repeated. In those days Reaganomics was to blame or so they said. The Cade failed not because is wasn't a successful design in its time but because they spent 5.5B getting it to market during a recession. It had two major hiccups one was fuel range and the other was a simple plug fix that unattended or not address could cause rear lockup. It was also the most expensive production bike anywhere, in its day. I haven't mentioned this before not wishing to spoil the splash of this new and beautiful machine but, likely I'm not the only one who has reflected on this tidbit of history. Personally I hope it pulls thru really is a hot looking option.

Like a bone chasing a dog I found this schematic. I am assuming the red wire trace I show is the problem. But also to be done with it I personally would open and clean the ing. switch. Also while you're at it inspect the ground as marked on the bottom center of schematic. labeled black at the frame connection/termination - Yellow trace is fuse box power source?? so an easy box to just swap out. Cheers

Are you saying the high voltage is gone?

Wow at 1st glance this looks like a an underground/map of Jeff's basement plumbing;) I'm going thu it but as mentioned follow the wire back from the headlight through the opened harness.

Certainly see I am out of post practice...my French really showing thru! Well I cleaned it up some hope it makes more sense.

So what i think is confusing you is that YOU THINK you are reading proper battery voltage at the lamp but I don't believe you are! Leaving aside the cheat I mentioned//// this circuit is shorted to the bikes charging system!? One thing I would like to know, likely others too, is the ign. coil voltage reading with rpm at the coils terminals? This will tell us if there's the cheat at play! Next thing is assuming you have the wiring diagram follow that circuit, you can also post the diagram used so we can play along with you. With or without the diagram what you should do is open the main harness by carefully removing the shielding tape and closely examine each wire for ripples or signs of excessive heating. Then follow the wire from the headlamp back thru the harness and to the fuse (what is the voltage at the fuse?) this may point you/us in a direction. High voltage at the fuse suggests the short is before the fuse block or potentially inline fuse! Regular volts reading at lamp fuse indicates short after fuse block! Remember bike has to be running and with charging rpms!!!!!!!!!! Let the club know whats the results are. I starting Monday am busy for a couple days but many members will be at their keyboards.

Thanks Mover, this video was new to me. Nice to see a happy owner after 12K on her. Also watched the Wing video right after, true in my case, can't stand looking thru a bike windscreen, through that vid I was tense just tripping over the reflections dancing around it, as well as the gauge shield.

Wow Redrider not fare and you cheated! While Red hit it right off by cheating Bongo is correct. At the moment you have interrupted the circuit by disconnecting the the Master Control and Front Radio Remote modules. So this assumes that the module is shorted and that may prove to be the case? If you swap out and it starts again you will need to follow through and find that short, which is the blue/white wire from the plug at the start switch at one end and the Radio Control the other end (pin to pin) So thinking this through, I got to thinking about avoiding this potential via a small relay between the circuit, when it hit me that if there was a short before the module,,, it would still be there dah.

I haven't read it but yes you can modulate time, pressure so resulting in volume displacement. Some are adjustable which would let you tweak to suit. You might lookup Pascals theory to use as a directional beacon, this may shed some light. My MK2 had no issues with lockup at all, running the stock setup.

So what everyone here is sayin is exactly right but there's a couple of us and Puc likely knows this one as well? Some time we cheat for the coils, this makes for an off road only but... what this does is exploit the X factor on the primary and secondary's If the PO (s) chose to do this cheat for the coils then likely he hid the patch through the harness? At least I would. If it were me I would expose the harness and disconnect each plug looking for anything out of normal, with the key on check voltage and grounds on each terminal. Always recheck battery voltage during procedures for changes in voltage, this gives you a clearer picture of gains or loses. It is possible that a patch has short to the head lamp wire. Or just run a new wire to the lamp.

I've read this a couple times now on the forum about the Gen 2s having lockup? Hmm I haven't given it much thought but, fist that comes to mind ii mechanical leverage, second is volume. Thinking along with you all I would first lower my peddle which for me would take some getting use to as I am very dependent on my peddle being quick to respond. I would be then, taking that feedback to determine what I might change at the slave? Meaning I would be looking to dampen hydraulic pressure via volume. There's more than one way to do so one way would be to fit an older gen slave? Another would be to shorten travel of the slaves piston in effect reducing displacement! The spring would then compensate for the shorten push. Let me know what you think about.... page: 7-27

I heard about the drone regs this week. This is in my opinion just the beginning and, taking the long view I would expect that soon these drones will need to be covered by insurance or added under ones house policy. It makes sense to me as there exists risk to property and personal injury. My personal bother with drones is intrusion of privacy. There is in present day way too much as it is; adding these drones is or will be pressing an already pressing issue; and so lends my agreement to regulating the drone rush! Invade and we can report, eventually a fine will be established, persist and we can then apply more use of existing laws. What about Ham radios and CBs, as far as I know Hams still require licences? Remember the days of CBs when some ego would erect a tower and whip with so much output that he alone controlled the airwaves for several blocks. RF so strong you couldn't catch TV unless cabled! Also now I recall that at the beginning of TV & AM radio, they also required licence here in Canada. Just a different prospective to this issue, one I think will settle down as the reasonable hobbyist form clubs and begin to share and educate members on responsible behavior in this new hobby which takes time so, expecting things to get worse before we find balance?

Found this on my utube home page, thought some might enjoy this fellows handy work.

It started very subtle and quiet then in a matter of 200-300 miles is much worse the best way i can describe the noise is timing chain slap. it is not rhythmic with RPMs. sound comes from both left and right sides more from the front. when I put a stethoscope on the engine it is loudest on the case half bolts under the water pump. It is not a grind type but an knock/slap metallic noise that has no tempo or rhythm. real bad at cold start and will quiet down some as it reaches operating temperature. When the noise first started I drained and changed oil. No sign of metal in oil. It runs smooth no miss or skips. It has progressed to the point I am afraid that if I continue to run it to try to isolate It will become catastrophic. "timing chain slap. real bad at cold start and will quiet down some as it reaches operating temperature." That is the opposite to a loose timing chain. "when I put a stethoscope on the engine" Wrong choice of weapon, thick handle long screwdriver is better for load knocks. "is loudest on the case half bolts under the water pump" Post 2 first place I'd look. Can't get over knowing you left her on a trailer, in the cold, without so much as a blanket, very sad!

I see the thread date but thought I may shed some light. 1st Puc is right. You can use compressed air or let it evap. Next is there seems to be an unknown in this mix? If the bike has been parked for long then the gas should have leaked past the rings - once the bowl is empty the volume has ceased (not so with a gravity feed) but because these are fed by pump. Likely: What you have is a jammed float needle which - remained open during the start attempt, lets think that thru, key on, kill to run, neutral switch to safe, fuel pump running till timed out, 3 carbs fill float needle closes 1 remains open filling the jug, hydro lock! This is never a case to be ignored or solved with seafoam. Is the repair required really or worth the effort? YES, every time! Here is the long view, you will have 1 jug running richer to the point of running wet. This will ware down that set of ring, honing, increase taper and wrist pin/boss! Not to mention breaking down the crankcase oil. Every long trip you will be able to measure a loss of jug life and compression. geterdone

Good idea! Hopefully you can still move the rest back on the tray? If you are wondering about the welds, from here they appear cold which, may cause them to crack loose, so more heat..

Using a hammer? No wonder I could never get them to work ):

That's an old video; he finally traded that in for unit with a kick start.

Well I live on the South side of the street so no snow for me;) true I pay for this come July August. Assuming you base coated then cleared over, you will still realize the advantage of adding extra clear coats. For panels that factory finish has been completely removed, House of Colors has the best binder I have experienced and reasonably priced. Sounds like a Cochrane ice cream plan then a Bragg Creek coffee or visa versa.. Till Then Cheers

The mods you describe will produce this result at the cost of mid range where, flows need to be teased to produce higher torque curves. Air dumping is a crap shoot usually the dividends pay out up high, no balanced torque curve.

Well I am halfway there? Thinking the other half is a girlfriend older than I, one that understands I just hide my age well and, that napping is how I think best.