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I am not sure that our Yamaha V-4's have a cam grind that is ground for valve overlap. Noticing the amazing low end torque that the 74 inch/1200cc engine produces and while thinking about building up a "V-Maxed" Venture (I actually had all the parts in my possession to do this but health got in the way and ended up selling everything) and still wanting to keep some of that torque (plenty for the amount of weight those ft/pds had to get moving so hp could take over once the R's crossed above 5252) , if memory serves, I think I did check and find these scoots are "0" valve overlap. I might suggest that you do some research and find out one way or the other.. One of the things to remember about valve overlap, while it does promote HP gains in the upper R's do to exhaust scavanging inviting higher velocities and cleaner fills,, it also is not a friend to emissions as your actually pulling unburned fuel into the exhaust (why those old muscle cars had such a sweet exhaust smell - I AM IN LOVE!!!) and for this cause, it is not uncommon for bike/cars being built since the 80's to not include valve over lap in their stock design.. Something to think about I reckon.

Even though us totally innocent and friends of VentureFar will wait with enduring patience, as always,, we are looking forward to yet another one of your amazing reports my brother!!! Let er buck ya lop eared investigative reporting VR varmint!!! Thanks Neal and keep on Venturing Far! Puc

You sure your not misreading this Neal and you are talking about the Eluder/Venture tests while we are discussing the Kawasaki Voyager? Or did you do a test on the Voyager too...

Morning Wayne! (nodding at my brother as we pass in a club house hallway and fist bump as we do )

Morning.. Just wondering if ya saw the sign out front of the club house that says Venture Riders MC? If ya did I spose you know that our responses are gonna favor the Yam and tah heck with all the rest ya Just pulling your chain @bsheilds48.. We're a mulifaceted bunch of lop eared varmints and love yakkin all brands, makes, models and your question is 100% welcome!! By the way,,, ,, glad you found us my friend (at least I hope we are still friends after that opening greeting on my part .. As you probably already know, the GL1500 is, as is the Yam, a carbed scoot. Most of us around here are familiar with carb issues on our Yam's as a result of either having the bike sit for a fair amount of time or just from wear and tear (diaphrams) from never shutting them off.. Personally, I have been around both the Yamaha (1st Gen Ventures) and the pre-1800 Wings (very limited but some exposure as both my brother and my neighbor have the 1500's) and can tell you, I would rather 5 Venture carb jobs to one Honda 1500. I only say that because, on the 1500, Honda chose to use a unique 2 carb type of a unit that justtt fits between the frame backbone and is a bugger to get to. The Honda is also known for developing a nasty flat spot as the accerator pump on those carbs wears out.. Is this that big of deal,,, to me it is cause I like fixen my own scoots and have fat fingers that just don't jive with the 1500. On the other hand though, the Wing is a fixed fairing bike which, after having covered a number of miles on both fixed and batwing scoots (the Yam your looking at is a batwing), I can tell you that, even though I like the looks of the batwing better - the fixed fairing bikes are not as tiring to ride 12 to 16 hour days,, IMHO of course. Another really nice thing about the Honda is that it has mid ship controls where the 2nd Gen Yam is feet forward only.. I LOVE my 1st Gens for their variety of foot placement options due to mid shippers (always nice to be able to adjust your ride positions when touring as well as having the option to stand up and ride). Bottom line, if given the choice for the same money, comparable condition and mileage,,, I think I would stick with the newer Yamaha.. Now,, if we were talking about a 2006 1800 Wing or later,,, I may have to reverse that choice:witch_brew:.. There ya have it,, should be enough info to start a morning ruckus around this joint. Thanks for the EXCELLENT start to another EXCELLENT day in the club house my friend!! All the very best in what ever you choose!! Puc

Certainly not surprised to read your take on the Kawi,, Tip and I sat on one a few years ago and were very intriqued with how close to our 1st Gen's in "feel" it was,, it definitely had that "take me out west CTFW appeal" to it. Being a gear head of sorts and always looking at ways of getting out of maintenance work, I was taken by the no valve lash adjustment because of it having hydraulic tappets (its an overhead cam(s) motor) really caught my eye. I know that Honda played with non-adjustables in their sweet little Nighthawks a number of years ago and, after cleaning up the internals (bikes that have sat for longgg periods of time often need this) = a smoother/quieter engine would be hard to find. I DEFINITELY see and TOTALLY get your comment on best bang for buck too brother! As in all things, I am sure a savvy buyer with cash in hand could land a brand new left over Voyager for under 15 with out much hassle. Now, about our opinions on the Triumph,, thinking we will have to agree to disagree on this one.. Personally, after having done the career thing on building Chops and even Bobbing a few scoots,, I have to default to a very old flame of mine and say I would rather have the Scrambler... No idea why Randy but high piped scoots have always held a special place in my heart,,, a childish passion? Maybe.. But still,, one look at this and I get all

Randy,, you had a chance to demo a Voyager yet? As in all things I know there are Pro's and Con's out there, it would be interesting to hear your take on them if you've ridden em.. I gotta brother out in California who has been hogging down the miles on new scoots and writing reviews on them for UltimateMotorcycling.com and I KNOW his word is solid and unbiased. I know he is real busy these days but, just for the heck of it,, lets give em a shout and see if he, or his colleagues, have scampered a test on one of those puppies = @VentureFar , any thoughts on the Voyager? Will say one for sure,, price point is OUTSTANDING comparing to what else there is in touring land right now and WOWZY - I LOVE THE FAIRING DESIGN!! Fun yappin with ya again Randy!! Hope to see ya in OHIO.. Puc

Another thing Tip and I can verify,, Michigan Enhanced Drivers Licenses dont work on the southern border.. Never a problem one crossing U.S to Canada and back, up and down the Northern border BUT,, you shoulda seen the look on those Southern Border guards faces when two wanna be bikers on an old, beat up sticker covered Venture with a tent hanging on the back pulled up and handed them our licenses:think:.. The look on their faces was priceless!!

+1 (notice I didn't put +2? Tip will have NOTHING to do with this one!!) But yea @videoarizona,, I am 100% in the bucket list line with @Freebird on this one!! ,,,,, VR MC club group jump?????????????????

:rotf::rotf::rotf::rotf::rotf::rotf::rotf::rotf: Ohhhh Magoo,, ya did er again = I am DEFINITELY gonna add that to my "All Time Favorite VR Quotes" list!!!

Me and Bum can verify that a simple trip to Kunuckian land for a Meet Greet, a snooze in one of Dogmans dog houses, lunch with a group of escapies from a Kunuckian physc ward and then end up in the middle of the pack during the grand Kunuckian Bike Tour riding beside those who probably planned-executed the escape from the farm then,, if you had any form of saneness about you before you parted for the journey,,, that saneness will be nothing but a distant memory on the ride home:Bunny: I have personally toured parts of all 48 lower States and a fair amount of Kunuckian land, have been to a variety of VR gatherings and met numerous lop eared VR club member varmints in the process and can 100% certify that if its sanity a person is looking for,,, that person should probably search the web a little more.. Fact is,, in all my research,,, I have only found one totally sane person within VR and his fingers are getting tired of typing this so you will have to guess who that is! HOTDOGS (with alllllllll the fixins:thumbsup2:) FOR EVERYONE DREWSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AWESOME!! Wassup Randy? How ya been? Been a while!! How ya gettin to MD, last I remember you had rented and rode a TriGlide out west and enjoyed,, you still riding ol true Blue or did one of HD's find a home at your place? Hope to make it to Don's this year too, be great to say howdy!

Quick question just to make sure we are still on a level playing field Patch,,, ""All should be yes even tho I predicked you would say no to it."" is just a matter of your opinion, correct? Not sure of your point in this one Patch? All of info contained in the video you reference is obtained well above the R's you operate your bike at, most of the charts do not even begin until 7200 RPM, wayyy beyond your target R's. Perhaps a relook at the video that both Jeff and I posted would be to your advantage in determining the blueprint for your build and decision making thereof.

OUTSTANDING!!! Sounds like one awesome Anniversary there my friend!! Of course you KNOW I bid you two Honeymooners nothing but the very finest and bestest ever Silver Anniversary = 25 years is AWESOME my brother !!! Give that precious bride of yours a big old Puc :bighug:and tell her I said thanks for standing by her man:happy34:! Lord willing, we are hoping/planning to make it to Don's MD and hope to see you folks there! We are marrying off the last of our 4 during that month but are hoping things are settled back down when MD rolls around. :think:Always something . Thoughts and Prayers Up on the shoulder Corporal,,, Godspeed for quick and full recovery!!

my brother!!! If at all possible on my end, I would LOVE to be part of that engine pulling party. Tip and I got a lot on our plates this spring (marrying off our last unmarried kid,,, gonna be a FUN spring!!!) but PLEASE make sure I know about the shin dig! Glad to hear the update on the health my friend!!! Indeed:

You gonna go ride nekid?? Personally I have always kinda of enjo,,, never mind Sly,,, too much information for this time of morning

I am particularly fond of this little falling block 22lr.. Have always LOVED the "Sharps" (a real deal Quigly special) but could never bring myself to put up the cash for one. This little shooter would scratch that itch fairly.. Nahh, think I'll save my cash for more ammo Still wayyy cool: https://www.proxibid.com/Art-Antiques-Collectibles/J-Stevens-Crack-Shot-22-LR-Cal-Falling-Block-Single-Shot-Rifle/lotInformation/46427158 Had a whole basement full of these and sold em off so dont need to relive that journey: https://www.proxibid.com/Art-Antiques-Collectibles/Group-of-2-Vintage-Air-Rifles/lotInformation/46427242 And a pretty cool good ol double barrel 12.. https://www.proxibid.com/Art-Antiques-Collectibles/Meridan-Fire-Arms-Co-The-A-J-Aubrey-12GA-Break-Action-Shotgun/lotInformation/46427157 Thought I'd better stick these up for anyone interested. If nothing else,, lots of fun looking at shooters on a WIND WHIPPING WINTER DAY LIKE TODAY!! Enjoy!

@bongobobny,,, hey brother,,, how ya been? Noticing you jumped in on the Flanders Bars question - good to see you posting!! Still got those Prayers Up for ya my friend! I probably missed it over the course of time but gotta ask,,, any more forward motion on the engine build? Hope your feeling better and out in the garage torquing the last 2 engine mounts on it with high hopes of pointin er front end toward an open garage door so we can all scream - Open the gate and get the wayy,, Bongo Bob comin outa chute 9!!!

Goodness gracious THAT is GORGEOUS!!! That sweetheart just SCREAMS,,, GO WEST YOUNG MAN,,,, AND TAKE ME WITH YA!!!!

Havent watched it or checked the comment section but I can tell you, if I didnt know what was going there and was one of them Sausage Maker fellers I would say something like = heyyyy that gives me a bright idea GOOD ONE PATCH

Forgot one absolutely priceless advantage of being a lop eared VR varmint,, ya get to be friends with he who control's the White Wash and who it lands on and who it don't!!!! THAT and THAT alone is worth a buck a month IMHO Glad you decided to stick around Corporal Newkirk - I really enjoy your company!!

Yea,, gonna take my lady oak leaf huntin !! COME ONNNNN SPRING,, come to pappa!!!!!!!!!! Love you too Sly

Fast forward to 2:37 in this video and this will explain why I need what I am looking for:

That is exactly what I am talking about 40!!! I did some research and found the trays that will work with my 1911. Shown here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-BERRYS-PLASTIC-AMMO-BOX-SMOKE-COLOR-45-acp-40-cal-10mm-100-rd/261714005413? It is VERY important in my situation that when inverted (primer facing up) that the rounds extend past the edge of the tray as I will be sliding a loader in from the side to pick up the ammo. Do you know if the Franklins will expose the case ends like that above the edge of the tray,, speaking now of 308 Winchester/762 NATO? Thanks! Puc

Actually, IMHO, that would just be in kin to a simple continuity test and not necessarily applying OHM's law to layout a pathway/road map to the outcome I would planning. YEP,, having all kinds of fun here = GREAT THREAD IMHO!!