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,, I was never really good with algebrahick quations ,,,,, = :lightbulb:20 feet? , :crackup:, :rotfl: Ohhhh my gosh Sly,,,, you and I are gonna have sooooo much fun up yonder

The more geezerly I get,, the more well defined the term "confused" becomes Bum I am SOOO right there with you my eternal brother Sly!! :thumbsup:

Maybe a quick release option is in order,,, doubt it though - why sell a 3000 dollar option when ya can spring out a whole nuther line .. I REALLY like seeing the rear boinger numbers on this one = 4 1/2 inches of travel (and still sporting a 26 inch seat height). Thinking that might be double of the Road Glide which is nothing but bottom out city if ya two up and packed for CTFW . This new Polaris must be a Mono Shock as I am sure the Yamaha is where, as far as I know, HD is still playing with twin shocks (remember the days of beating up our backs on twin shock dirt bikes - my spine is SHOT cause of those WONDERFUL years ). Sheesh Boss,,, 22k for base Challenger ,,,, a really good buddy of mine has a new Venture, full blown touring WITH TRUNK and all the goodies including REVERSE, completely decked out for under 20 grand with under 2k miles on it...

It will be interesting to see if HD comes out with one with a V-Rod MTR stuffed in it now. Only issue there may be that the V-Rod is only 1250cc's, down from the +1700cc in this new one.. On the same token though, HD may just sit on their hands and wait to see how the market responds to a full on water cooled, over head cam non push rod motor V-Twin from their American competition since the V-Rod, like all their other shifts away from the traditional tractor motor design from the early 1900's, never sold well. That last article that I posted did mention the new Venture along with the HD: ""Indian says the PowerPlus “was developed with a big-piston, big-torque mindset with an end game of maximum power delivery across the entire curve.” When we put the Challenger on Jett Tuning’s dyno, its belt-driven rear wheel cranked out 113.3 lb-ft of torque at 3,500 rpm and 107.6 horsepower at 5,600 rpm, with redline at 6,500 rpm (see chart below). That unseats the previous king of torque among V-twin tourers we’ve tested, the Yamaha Star Venture (110.9 lb-ft of torque, 75.9 horsepower), as well as the top-of-the-line Harley-Davidson CVO Limited (110.0 lb-ft of torque, 96.0 horsepower). The Challenger’s broad mountain of rear-wheel torque tops 100 lb-ft from 2,400 to 5,600 rpm, and its horsepower curve increases steadily from 2,000 rpm to its peak."" It will certainly be interesting to see if Polaris's reading the push for more HP wanted by the market is accurate. Time will tell I reckon. One thing for sure, our counterparts over on the Indian site are pumped!

And the bike rags are on it on release day = https://ridermagazine.com/2019/10/29/2020-indian-challenger-limited-road-test-review/

It's out!

:think: and a double :scratchchin:,,, as usual, I think my post may have cornfused even me cause a [ ] or two got chopped somehow.. Twasnt I who quoted Don,, twas Patch.. That being said, I got a hunch that he was talking about the "what Don said" in the posted I quoted above... Ohhhh Lord help me if I spoke for Patch and am wrong :crackup::crackup:There'll be no little stars on the top of this lop eared Grasshopper varmints home work if I am I tell ya

Thanks for the update brother, it's always good to hear from you ya know!! Thoughts and Prayers Up Patch as you sort thru the health related stuff you are dealing with!! Puc

What Don said is correct and the theory applies broadly across naturally aspirated engines. Whether you are F.I. or Carb the process of syncing throttles is a matter of volume and velocity balance. F.I. will deliver a programmed fuel pulse (adaptive or not), and carburetors will siphon and atomize fuel. So equalized volume and velocity at the throttle is the task being attempted and is what we are reading via vacuum measurements regardless of tool used. If as he suggest there is doubt over lash then the sync is not balanced because the process is not an individual one, each individually adjusted body affects the other to work as one team. I’ll go a little deeper: When lash is out of spec the valve stroke and duration has changed. This means that volume and velocity has also changed and that means jug to jug efficiency has also changed! When we sync as shown (just the intake side of the equation) and the valve strokes are not corrected then @ WOT (for example) are all throttles at 90*? Or at 4000 rpm.. are they close to equal? (Volume wise) remember that is the task. Ask why the book calls for maximum pressure differentials and minimum pressure potentials? They build volume and velocity base lines. If we ignore the valve duty cycles then we also accept that regardless of intake feed efforts, combustion efficiency may or may not be close enough to produce good throttle response, period because, the volumes and velocities are not as expected: therefore combustion pressures applied to the crank are also less than expected regardless of potential displacement designed efficiencies. Consider this; displacement potential can only be converted to torque after the process of first getting the air/fuel ratios in past the throttles and intake valves… Each link in the change applies forces to the crank; each jug that is lower in fill % is lower in output. This means that syncing the bodies or equalizing them while the valve train is out of spec results in an invalid sync, in fact dumbs the performance poetical. The tool while likely a good investment for a mechanic or serious new comers to the sport is designed around the principles that in this case sound like were ignored. My reference to the vacuummate is simply that the strobe side of it tells you at a glance if it is sensing incorrect pressures form either side of the valve train which means - correct before proceeding to sync. Anyways just an opinion Patch Another excellent read written by the Master Of Machine IMHO. Another issue associated that one may want to consider in the classroom of thought when talking proper valve lash concerns that I have bumped into is that as a valve face wears it naturally closes the valve stem height = the need for lash adjustment is urgent. Most non hydraulic lifter valve lashes are set somewhere like 3 thou for the intakes and 5 for the exhaust valves. This .003 or .005 (your factory specs may differ) is not a lot of wear room before the lash crosses into the 0 or -0 zone allowing for compression necessary for combustion to drop significally as the valve no longer seals on the seat properly. A concern then can come into play as it is possible to actually burn valves (this concern is more common on exhaust valves from what I have seen). GREAT to have you back in front of the class Teach!! Puc

,, call the airport and ask em to change their flight schedules to coincide with your non-viewing/sleeping hours Cut em a deal using your White Washer as leverage = you'll sign a non-run way targeting contract that confirms all flights will now be during your "off" hours... You may be an awesome engineer brother but your wheelin/dealin negotiating skills need some sharpenin,, IMHO

After double checking rear tire condition, air pressures and exhaust system contact to frame issues,, I would proceed to video 1 and if that didnt help I would look into video 2.. If you open it up to check the drive shaft u-joint, also double check drive shaft connections for fracture at the stem nut.. I never encountered a fracture on my 1st Gens but, if memory serves, @videoarizona had a fracture that resulted in the a similar vibration to a bad u-joint and that sounds like what you may be experiencing = IMHO of course..

After cleaning the mud off em, running a ladies nylon up and down em a little is an easy way to look for and find imperfections IMHO..

I had a twin-max digital for years in the shop that we LOVED because of it's precision. It was very accurate and I was always amazed at how, after syncing with mercury or vacuum gauges then following up with digital the digital showed inaccuracies of the others.. GREAT for that finish fine tune IMHO.. GOOD find Duey!!

,,,, what Radar,,,,, I wash my scoot - when it rains and I get caught out in it ... Hanging in there brother,, Tip and I are baby sitting our 2 year old grandson for the weekend,,, life in the FAST lane for sure... He can JUST reach light switches now and we worked all day on turning the hallway lights on/off (now I KNOW why those two way switches were created ).. Wonder what the life expectancy is on those switches? Back at cha ya Puc

I know most of my lop eared lead tossin varmint brothers probably enjoy/follow along with the "Hickok45" on youtube (I say that cause WOWZY WOW WOW WOW - you ever check out his subscriber count ) but was wondering,,, any of you varmints ever check out this guy? Not as well known as the Hickster for testing different shooters but still pretty cool when talking ammo and stuff:

Oh yea,,, wait till those ELF's of yourn hear Tippy bawling you and your infamous White Washer out,,,, I betcha those little ELFers will turn tail and run,, never to be heard of again on this side of the pond brother!!! :rasberry::moon::rasberry::moon: Go to 10 seconds in:hihi::

It may but the OEM Pt numbers are different, no idea how different the actual parts are but this may, or may not, assist in getting an answer from someone with no clue Take a peek: RSV = https://www.yamahapartsnation.com/oemparts/a/yam/5073365ff8700218e05b9042/front-brake-caliper Liner = https://www.yamahapartsnation.com/oemparts/a/yam/5073365ff8700218e05b9042/front-brake-caliper

Tip, Tweeks, Maggie, Trooper and Puc are hiding behind a great big Lake Michigan sand dune so unlike Fool's ability to use artillary "fire for effect" techniques in his ongoing attempt to bury us in Wisconsin White Wash,,,, spying on us with radio signal transmissions would not work cause of no line of sight,,,, :rasberry::moon: neighbor to the west!!!

You and all you other lop eared long distance CTFW, always looking for answers varmints are welcome too Vaz.. It's ALWAYS fun scoots and the technology/engineering that goes into producing em.. There is a TON of info in that article but one of things that caught my eye was this: “The market has definitely evolved since then,” Wilson said. “And we make sure to evolve with it. A major element is the value riders now put on performance—the market for it is growing.” That line was definitely the opposite direction that Mom Yam received from the market segment they studied and the info they received from such.. It will be interesting to see now, once this new Polaris is released, if the move to toward higher numbers on the dyno will result in higher sales tragectories. Only time will tell I guess.. I gotta hunch that if it does so (sales increase) that that is when we will hear a giant "OOPPSSS" from the mothership Personally, I really enjoyed the overall "parts and pieces" aspect of the article,, questions and answers concerning why water cooling and the engineering behind the move... DEFINITELY interesting!!

I know less about antenna's then I do even motorcycles but cant help but wonder if a directional antenna mounted on top of an old school tower with an old school rotor assembly who's movement is controlled by one of those old school rotor control boxes from inside the house would not be the answer Fool... Maybe the ability to "swing the beams" to "tune out" the interference would do it... ,,, could dress the tower up to look like an ICWWDS (Inter Continental White Wash Delivery System)

:bowdown::clap2::thumbsup: In any way, shape or form,,, if Bongo's Blonde or any parts and pieces even,, gets to CTFW just one more time it makes me from the top of my head to the tip of my toes,,, ET = P.S. = @Marcarl and company,,, :You_Rock_Emoticon:too = for ALL you do/did on Beckies behalf!! Answer to prayer to you are!!! Puc

Just scored this additional read on Leo's thread here,,, one that I thought My Lop Eared Brothers Of The Wrench Varmint friends may really enjoy... It's lengthy but very refreshing in a Brotherhood of the Wrench sort of way... @videoarizona ,,, I noticed you been following this,,, I gotta a hunch that you too may REALLY enjoy this = may wanna take a peek brother!! https://www.cycleworld.com/inside-indians-new-powerplus-108-v-twin/

:sign yeah that: EXACTLY Duey = THANKS!! If that don't clear up my reference,, maybe this little vid will,,, go to 54 seconds in and listen carefully to "wayyyyyy powerful,,,, and ridiculously fun!"

Here is a really good read from Skydoc 17 on the subject matter.. I know this work was on the MK2 but it is my understanding its the same mount.. Maybe @skydoc_17 could shed some light on it,,, heyyy Earl,,,,, :sign67: Anyway,, here is his thread: https://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?27170-VR-to-R1-Brake-Swap-Part-1!&highlight=brake+upgrade

I am with Sky on this,, I bench tested (by actually soaking carbs and monitoring the cleaning process) numerous products and SeaFoam actually came in last... His advice is note worthy IMHO.. Berryman's Chem Dip came in first place but it is not an additive..