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Patsy THANK YOU for taking a moment and sharing a prayers up for Yammer and Skid.. Just want you to know that Tip and I are also praying for each of you at the loss of Dan and also still praying for Dans little brother too. Our Yammer, you and your family are very special to all of us.. If there is anything besides pray that we can do PLEASE let us know.. I also know from reading that folks here would love to know about Funeral times. If you are ok with doing so, please post them here so someone can make a post in the forums about them.. SOOOOOO very sorry for and deeply saddened by your/our great loss Warden!!!! Puc

It's hard to say goodbye my friend to a brother one loves so dear. The times we shared while living life, but we knew these times were near. Going out with our boots on, like you and I talked it thru. Beyond my tears my heart can still smile, in it's memories of knowing you. Before we met at the Dragon's Tail or smacked our heads at that Chiken place. I knew what you were gonna look like, though you jokingly hid your face. You simply could not hide from us, who you really are. The real Yammer Dan was crystal clear, to those both near and far. My friend could never run and hide, even when they called him off to War. While others turned their backs on freedom, our way of life not worth fighting for. But you did us proud and stood for us, standing strong for the U.S.A. A young man of grit and honor, you didn't go to play. When the job was finished and you came home, from doing what had to be done. To start your precious family, you bragged about each and every one. I already miss our talks dear friend, about messing with our grand kids. And how our lifes have changed a bit, watching em doing what our children once did. Will our offspring someday figure out, if the Blue 1st Gen is really faster? Personally Dan I still have my doubts, I wonder if your talking about that with our Master? Speaking now about our chats, about "The Man" above. I hope that you are finding peace, while basking in His love. I know that all that pain is gone, that was so hard to take. Those all night chats are finally done, from the pain keeping you awake. You kept our clubhouse rockin bro, though probation was always there. You KNOW I'll miss your smiling face, in the penalty box that we did share. I am so proud to have known, my brother to the end. That I got to know our Yammer Dan, and I got to be his friend. Puc

Thanks for clearing this up Don,, I held my first "Pucs Shoot and Scoot" yesterday (+600 miles and almost 500 rounds of .45 ACP fired) but didnt wanna report on it till making sure we were still good to go on the gun subject here.. Now I am out of time as we are headed out for the Muskegon Motorcycle Clubs annual Spring Run... Should be another fun day!!! Still yakkin about getting to MD,, your post about Fried Chickin for lunch may have just sealed the deal.. Will sign up real soon if so..... Please save a place at the ponds edge for us if possible = Tip says we can afford waterfront this time.. Prefer not to be near Bongo as he snores to loud,,,, anyone else is ok,, even Fool or Dan... Get out n ride! Your friend Puc

Dont tell Tip but for many many years I used to snitch her hair spray for gluing on the grips of my MX bikes.. Stuff worked AWESOME and I can attest to the importance of this being so as there is not much worse that can happen to an "A" class rider who,, after showing off to the crowd by tossing the rear wheel at em while clearing a 90 foot double and then landing perfectly only to have the grip on your left handle bar slip off the bars leaving the laying on his back in the middle of the track with nothing but that little rubber grip in his hand...

Ahhhhh ohhhh,,, I never ever ever knew we were not suppose to discuss guns in the forums.. @Freebird ? If this is true,,, the club has my apologies for openly violating that rule!! Puc

Nope,,, no motors,,, not even bite sized.... I think they know that if they did allow even one of those .049 little model airplane engines to be used that some lop eared genuis gear headed VR guru varmint like some of my buddies here in the club would figure out a way to soup it up and make it go 70 mph so,,,,,,,, nope,,,, nada,,,,,, nicksay,,, aint happening..... Just an FYI though,,, I have been eyeing the bicycle trails that criss cross America very carefully and have secretly been developing a silent motored side x side three wheeled bike for Tip and I for those days when we are no longer able to toss a leg.. Its coming right along too,,, about all thats left is figuring out where to stick all our memory stickers...

1st and foremost = CONGRATS again and the new scoot and CONGRATS on getting to at least take a short putt on one before you offically took delivery of the new one - IMHO (which, I still think it is important that All opinions be heard hear in our club) doing even a short ride on an unknown before jumping in with both feet is wise. Concerning the heat issue that you speak of. I too have experienced a short ride (numerous short rides) on the new Venture and I definitely came away with a different take than do you.. I am one who looks at the SVTC as a touring package that includes 2 up comfort and I therefore believe that the passenger comfort is just as, if not of more so necessary than that of the rider him/herself.. Unfortunately, in your debate presentation, you did not even mention this. Because of the endless possibilitys of misrepresentation in social media and, as you point out = the opertunity for hidden agendas to prevail and influance (lets face it,, you and I dont really know each other do we,, you in fact really could be a shill from Yamaha defending a product that is a hard sell and I could actually be that Harley shill as mentioned in another thread) on decision making processes, I tend to be one to put heavy value on actual scientific evidence and video blogging where stated arquments in either direction are backed up by video. The thought of taking the bikes temparture with an infrared has been mentioned and to date,, this has not been done. I actually wrote about my intent to do exactly that at Sturgis last year, took my infrared temp taker with us to Sturgis to do the side by side scientific comparison between the our 83 Venture and a new one exactly like the one you rode but was denied access to the bike for that purpose by the factory techs there (leaving me with the impression that someone there knew there was something to hide). Many people, including myself, have experienced the outcome of attempting to tour on an air cooled V-Twin in the warmer climates during the summer months with passengers aboard and have had to curtail the tour seek refuge from heat that,in your opinion doesnt exist and the thought behind the "taking of the tempts" was simply to provide scientific proof one way or the other as to why this is/was so.. As far as your opinion of the new Ventures ability in performance to be so powerful as to push your lips over your forehead and my opinion that the same bike is equivilent to a putzy, dehorned "B" motored early Twin Cam 88 inch HD I am gonna post another one of those video blogs of mine to show evidence of why I formed my opinion.. Might I suggest that any readers in the future here take note that I am able to speak during the bikes peak performance during the video and hopefully those same readers/viewer will be with it enough to know that one cannot speak with his/her lips pulled over their forehead . I am also going to include a similar video of Tip and I doing the same thing with the much smaller motored V-4 early model Venture in case anyone out there in reader land would like a small sample of why some of still see the V4 as the better performing option. Overall here,, I am one to think that, in truth and in fairness,, none of us will really know the actual facts about the new bikes honest capabilities in doing the job it was intended to do (take 2 people and all their gear touring transcontinentally during all seasons in all climates without either the rider or the passenger getting burned or buried in the process) until summers end. Hopefully, by that time all the outstanding ride reports, fully supported by pictures and videos, will be available - now THAT is something I for one fully look forward to!! Hopefully,, all opinions - including those of my own, still matter and are welcome here in our club. Puc

But your missing something I think.... I found out by bike tenting over the years that just cause the sleeping bags are not inside the tent doesnt mean you get to not include them in the total weight the bike is carrying... It may look like it weighs 300 pounds but the whole package is about 26 pounds.. Plus,,,,, I can literally pull into a Cemetery, or under the over hang of an abandoned gas station or stop on a deer trail on the North Rim and be sleeping in the tent in less than 5 minutes... Been hearing that for years and years and thousands and thousands of miles Snype... Problem is,, trailer pullin motorcycles are basically confined to pavement riders and Tweeks and I tend to be a smite more confused about where we belong than that..

Here in Michigan,,, you still have to do the purchase permit (full background check with 48 hour wait) with the Sheriffs office routine if the hand me down is a handgun. All long guns though - rifle/shotguns - are still under the ol "yard sale rule" routine though (walk up and buy it) so no problem there with just having the hand me down handed to us.

This probably sounds wayyyyy out there in left center field and I am probably totally wrong about it when applied to the 113 but I discovered something years ago when dealing with, what was then "state of the art" cylinder design.. When the manufacturers jumped to the thin Nikasil plating over Aluminum and ditched the iron bores of yesteryear - the whole ridge development at TDC seemed to go right out the window.. I know,, not apples to apples but things got so advanced in my later years of MX'n that the big 4 were producing factory race bikes that were ready to go full out (no break in period) right out of the box - BRAND NEW! I had a KX500 that had THOUSANDS of miles on the bore and it still had the original cross hatch in it - that plating was that hard... I have no idea whether Yamaha is using something other than Iron sleeves on this new one but,, from what I know of Yamaha's past,, I am pretty sure that it is something trick - maybe could get a clue by pricing out a set of replacement jugs = Iron sleeves will be the cheapest BUT also subject to things like ridge development..... Something to think about,, maybe,, maybe not but maybe..

GOOD QUESTION BRO!!!! DON,,, WHERE IN THE WILD WORLD OF TOURING MASTERS HAVE YA DISAPPEARED TO? Taint seen or heard from that lop eared canyon carving maniac varmint or his gorgeous Venture trike for many many moons either bro.. Thinkin maybe even the event below was the last time in my case (WOWZY a lot of very talented touring riders have vanished from the club over the last few years IMHO):

I TOTALLY agree with ya brother!!! 175 horse on a 1 wheel drive go cart is wayyyyyy plently!!!!! I did take a ride in a freinds twin turboed, 500 hp AWD Audi the other day and it was a hoot but seriously,, way to violent for a single wheel drive go cart though..

I find it very interesting that you have discovered Polaris's tendency to gouge on the parts Don.. Not long ago I did a quick study between the Polaris prices on parts for their Indian repops in comparison to those of similar parts for a HD and was completely blown away.. Many times I found Polaris hitting up the consumer at a rate of x20 and even x100 for some stuff.. That little research started out with reading about a guy who was complaining about having to pay Polaris $127 for a small plastic access cover (about the size and make of a battery cover on a typical TV remote control) that HD wanted $2.50 for = UNBELIEVBLE!!! I cant help but wonder if companies like Polaris havent watched with amazement and maybe even some as HD riders have tended to :mo money:over stick on bling and thought to themselves,,,,,, hey,, if it's high prices they want,, its high prices they will get = we'll gladly take their money and they went for it - BIG Time!!

Like an adult kid + with an adult sized go cart + with a big motor = YEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWWW!!!!!! We drove the below at Sturgis last year as well as the Sling,, considerably more money (27k) but definitely a high end build and it's boosted.. I would LOVE to own either BUT,, as my gut constantly reminds me every time I stop and look at one of those 350hp/4 speed early Vettes I have always wanted = "you do know that if its nice enough out to be rippin around in a convertible Vette - it will be nice enough for you to be on the seat of a bike and you KNOW which one you will choose"...

I am sure everyone knows this is all highly subjective. Harley has actually fought long and hard at protecting it's iconic engine movements that,, along with the HD music sheet that reads "Potato, potato, potato", to many many people is part of the emotional "soul" of the bike. HD has had "B", or balance shaft, motors for many years too but a lot of the Harley guys dont have a connection with them because, as what happened with the new 113 with the additional weight on the crank from having another balance shaft added when compared to the 113 in the Strat (it got neutered), the "B" motors dont run like the harder hitting "A" motors. As far as HD "selling you $10k in replacement parts", I am sure that there may be room for the perspective that it is the purchaser of those parts who is choosing to open his wallet and begin "buying $10k in replacement parts" as a matter of personal choice (no one is being forced to open their wallet) - this sorta flows with the concept of accepting personal responsibility = something that has somehow got lost in todays modern motorcycling philosophy IMHO. I have ridden numerous new HD's and have often wondered why people dont just buy em and ride em stock - other than being slow and wayyy under powered when compared to multi-pot engines of comparable CC's (read the Titans of Touring article though and see which V-Twin had the best performance = an apples/apples eye opener performance wise) - other than heat issues that would interfere with my passengers enjoyment while touring the warmer regions like we love to do, I have found them very rideable in stock form. There also may be a plus side to having a HUGE parts and accessory availability like HD has to some folks.. Having more choice can be a good thing IMHO and I have hunch that since Mom Yam has decided to follow the Star riders suggestions and jump into the HD circle of bike design instead of taking a real leadership role in innovation and producing a touring bike that not even the high end/world class performance BMW could compete with - they may just find that in order to stay competitive in that market they too will have to up their game in offering more in this way than they have in the past with the 1st and 2nd Gen Ventures. Something else that seems to be frequently over looked in the new discussions about comparing the Venture with it's HD counterpart - sort of an elephant in the room so to speak. That is the old debate about buying American made products when possible.. In my region,,, good ol hard core patriotism does still have its place and, given the closeness in MSRP now and the pride in :usa:that our little area seems to display - its no wonder that the new Venture appears to be a hard sell here while the Harley shop continues to be busy... I sure hope this dont all lead back to the days when those Harley guys hung rice burners on mainstreet in Sturgis .. If that happens,, I will once again be happy that none of em can run with Tweeksis!!

Tweeksis and I had a BLAST today fitting up her "new" flag pole and Flag (THANKS FRED!!!!!!!) on her trunk rack while we sang:

Was it like this one DanL?

Kretzie this sounds familiar,,, I was reading about what it takes in the Land of Liberty to own and operate a machine gun (real deal "weapon of war" full automatic - like an actual M-16 or actual classic Thompson or a genuine Browning Automatic Rifle) and I think that's where I remember some similar legal language like you mention. What I am referring to is what some folks call "Class 3 Licensing" here from all I have gathered. Class 3 here is basically a wealthy persons play ground from what I can ascertain but, WOWZY would it be fun to be that rich guy ,, even for a day or two,,, or three or four :thumbsup2:IMHO..

I know,, the lop eared varmint got so excited when he was snapping pictures of her and poking at her that he completely forgot to look thru those boxes of kibbles and bits to find out what kind of SURPRISE those folks at Yamaha had sent him!!!!!!! Hope those mechanics are the honest sorts when they find that little box of $100 bills tucked in there!!!!

I really really really detest and cant stand roadway motorcycle accidents but,, Snype,,, that first one - where guy runs the R's up and SMACKS into the sidewalk:happy65:, flips over the bars - its almost like that precious little rocket was screaming "get off me you bone head = go find a moped to play with Years ago a real close friend of mind BEGGED me to let em take my new MX bike for a rip.. He was used to riding a little Yam Enduro and when I told him to take it easy for a tad cause that new 73 250 Elsinore was a little different than what he was used to... Yea yea,, give me that thing he says.. He went from sitting on that little Honda to an instant face plant with Elsie on top of him quicker than a sane person could say "that hurt?" Let er buck Puc

It used to be that the pathway to buying a handgun involved going to the Sheriffs office and buying a Purchase Permit, taking the Purchase Permit to the owner of the gun and giving him a little section of the permit for his records of where his beloved Smith 29 or Ruger MK1 or Thompson Contender or,,,, opps - carried away with my day dreaming,, ended up.. Then it was a trip back to the Sheriffs office for a complete safety check, recording of the permit and then it was yours.. Now adays,, it's the same trip to the Sheriffs office UNLESS your purchasing new - if purchasing new - the transaction is completely by the Gun Shop with the FFL. The Sheriffs office now requires a 48 hour back ground check period even if you have an Enhanced Drivers License that has already had the back ground check completed on in order to obtain the D.L.. If a local LEO with a 5 cars loaded with other LEO's backing him up dont show up at your home during that 48 hour period, you return to the Sheriff's office where you get your Purchase Permit.. You then take that permit and go to the selling private party who hands you your new little bundle and perhaps, if your lucky, also tosses in a couple boxes of ammo that he didnt have time to shoot up. After paying him, he signs the permit and keeps his part and your on your way back to the Sheriffs office.. There is no longer a saftey check involved so now all you do now is drop off the permit at the Sheriffs office and your on your way - the authorities no longer have interest in actually seeing the gun.. I think our local Sheriffs office might be in cahoots with who ever approves applicants who want to be Notary's.. I say that cause here,, they charge 10 bucks for that service while there are multiple business's in the area that do this for free and even our local Township Hall clerks only charge 2 dollars for it (that I have a hunch goes into a New Years Eve party down there but thats another story). That right there is pretty much the most recent scooter on Michigan's fun with buyin a shooter.. Wonder whats its like in your State? Out with bang!! Puc

As I was dumping the 60 weight oil into my 74 inch air cooled shovelheads crankcase I thought to myself,,, "good grief this stuff pours like straight Motor Honey"... Later on the trip,, as I crossed thru Vegas on the way out to the coast I actually had to bump up another 10 weight cause even the 60 was turning into a water like fluid from the AWESOME desert sun that makes the desert region such a fantastic place to be found on a motorcycle..

​amen!!!!!!!

Nahhhhh,, riding down a full blown touring bike with a flat tire aint that much fun - I'd fix it.. Like Sky said,, couple teaspoons of dish soap in an old windex bottle filled with water, run the pressure to 50 pounds and spray er down. This ol lop eared varmint likes to center stand the scoot, take the valve cover off and check the shrader for air loss first cause Murphy loves to loosen my shraders and then spray the valve (make sure you soak where the valve meets the rim. Now soak the beads on both sides. Now slowly spin the tire while spraying across the tread and keep an eye on the beads and valve.. If that soapy water gets even a teeny bit of air under it it will cause a foam thats almost fit for shavin.. 2 1/2 inches of preload on top of those springs? HOLEY PAMOLEY,, that suckers gotta ride like a reverse hardtail.. Those PVC spacers that come with new Progressives were, indeed Ty = made to be cut to length to set the sag that is right for you.. I like 1 inch of preload and I do a fair amount of off hiway playing and even that is 2 up and loaded - cant imagine 2 and 1/2 inches... Cut em down brother.. You should end up with the springs in with the tighter windings in first, the factory shims (washers with edge that fits into the top of the springs and acts like a little cover) next, 1 inch max of pvc preload and then the cap. Filling from measurement as suggested is fine,, been that way for ever.. Some of us prefer using a syringe and a hose (or a depth guage like Motion Pro makes) to suck em to height but either way works.. Most important is that the tubes end up with the same amount of fluid in em.. ,,, gotta run,,,, I smell FOOD cookin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not no more,, I used to be able to see them little bushwackers rolling around inside the tires but since I sent @Dragonslayer back his outfit me eyes dont work right for some reason..