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There ya go Gary,,, get right into it and go right after it!!! Hopefully you are going to be doing your testing with a passenger onboard and hopefully that passenger has some experience on riding two up = THAT would be awesome,,, icing on the cake so to speak.. Another simple thing that I would suggest is to bring along one of those infra red themometers and take temperature readings of both the bikes heat on items that are near the rider/passenger legs/feet as well as the rider/passenger legs/feet while sitting in one of those traffic back up situations that anyone who attempts a real deal tour is going to encounter.. IMHO,,, putting some real scientific proof by quantifying things would really add to reducing the subjectivity of this debate.. Either way though,, I personally look forward to the report of your encounter.. By the way,, have you ridden the new Wing? I have not but I have heard that Mom Honda positioned the rads on it to actually remove the engine heat and blow it out into the air flow outside of the cockpit.. I have read where riders have stuck their hands outside and into that air foil and they could clearly feel a 2 or 3 inch jet stream (my words) of hot air flowing past them.. Any idea if this is true?

IMHO, I think you pose an often overlooked and very important question here 40. These lop eared MD going varmints are always messin with new riders to MD's minds and I strongly suggest you follow the advice of he who is great and powerful and show in the vid below.. Concerning the real answer to your question: It is customary to bring gifts,,, and very valuable gifts, to give to whoever has the most stickers on their motorcycle. Said gifts in the past have been mundane things like gift ear aches from having to listen to certain members doing this and other more casual gifts like the gift of sleeplessness given by those who snore loudly.. In reading your screen name = Love my 40,,,, I cant help but wonder if that "40" doesnt stand for .40 caliber,,, as in .40 caliber Smith and Wesson.. If this is so,,, I personally would see nothing wrong with sharing that love with the person at MD who shows up on the most stickered covered bike by presenting them with a new handgun chambered in .40 Smith.. I think this would make a great way to celebrate your first MD.. :crackup:

solid truth happening right there.. Been there MANY MANY times... Fact is,, if your gonna tour the west coast or east coast,, your going to face what you describe, only the extreme tarmac heat of the west coast seperates the two... A lot of folks dont realize this but "lane splitting" in California is only allowed in multi lane situations.. Therefore,, lets say your on your way out of Tahoe on a Sunday night and headed toward Placerville - that 4 1/2 hour line of traffic can make a bike get SCREAMING hot in those 105 degree temps and NO lane splitting allowed to get the air moving across the fins. Another real burner often over looked in these types of discussions IMHO has to do with cross winds.. The air blowing cross wise thru those cooling fins on an air cooled scoot can also be a scorcher, especially for the passengers legs/feet.. I wish they would have allowed me to let the SVTC set and idle for 20 minutes next to Tweeksis out at Sturgis last year to somewhat duplicate what you are referring to Gary.. The plan was to do just that and then take temp readings with my infra red on both bikes just to put some scientific truth behind it all.. Unfortunately the factory techs would not allow it.. I still think that until that is done,, Yamaha's claim to having solved the hot air cooled big twin issue (thats what we were told at both Americade and Sturgis) is just as subjective as our debating the subject..

Knowing DanL' that big old paragraph probably included words like: use LOTS of Berrymans or Seafoam or Marvel Mystery Oil or better yet a good combination mixture of the three,,, and then he probably went on to explain how much easier life was when he didnt have to worry about remembering his tent poles when he was riding his Panhead (and no,,, he would say,,, I am NOT talking about the shape of my head that looks uniquely like the inside of one of the Wardens skillets) cause all he had to do was tie his tarp on the seat of that 49 Chopped Pan and sleep under it next to his bike,,,, and of course - somewhere at the end of the paragraph would be something about Fried Chicken Good grief,, what are we gonna do without Yammer Dan,,,:95:

Awe,,, YOU are the greatest Larry:bighug:!!!! I totally appreciate the offer my friend but in all actuality I am all set and got er good to go Larry - thinking that precious Tweeksis will outlast me now. So far this week: Swapped out the Progressive 420 that was under her for a good stock one, new Shinko's front and rear with beads, new brake pads front and rear/cleaned all caliper pistons, replaced worn hub, grease grease and more grease on pivots... Now all we need is some decent weather and its MD and then open the gate and get out the way,,,,, Tip, Tweeksis and Puc are headed to the west coast via,,,,,,, via what ever way the coin toss at the intersections lands I am probably way wrong on this Riv but that dont look like hub damage,, that looks like wheel damage.. IMHO,, it almost looks like someone got aggressive trying to either take the snap ring off or they attempted to knock in back in place with a hammer and snapped the lip that catches the snap ring... At least,, thats what it looks like to me.. Not an extreme emergency IMHO but yea,, I would replace it,, I would find a good used wheel for it,, :backinmyday:one like I got xtra's of:big-grin-emoticon:... I would GLADLY swap ya a good one for a bad one (I would just give ya one but one of these parts bikes without a back wheel on it would be a REAL problem for your old buddy to move around)... ,, I just had an epiphany,,,,,, jump on Walt,,, head to Michigan,,, we can rip the old boy apart in my driveway out in the sunshine (FEELS GREAT being outside working again brother!!) and make the swap right here and it wont cost ya dime!!! I will also set up a Puc's MGnEM so the two of us dont starve = we can survive on 1/3 pound Hot Dogs cant we??!!!!!

He dont feel that cool no more but he dont care and THATS a fact,,,,,,, he's just an old Hippy

Yeppers!! And noppers,, I got no video of the process right now but will gladly put doing so on my to do list and make one in the near future Sky... Wanna hear something crazy about my goofy youtube vids? I have been getting a smattering of hate comments on them but I also have gotten a fair amount of,,, "Heyyyyyyy,,, THANK YOU!! You actually answered a question that has had me wondering for a long time"... Helping people out there you dont even know is really fun!!!

Tweaks is still out seeing the country/world only she is doing it one piece at a time... She IS officially a parts bike,,, a purdy one (purdy worn out) but a parts n pieces machine none the less.. That 87 took off and landed in Wisconsin last I heard.. Two strange looking lop eared varmints with Cheesy smelling breath showed up and took that scoot home with em.. I cant complain much about it though cause I twisted their arms while they were here and got em to take a bunch of my jun,,, I mean a bunch of my bike parts home with em too.. I gotta really good video of the two of em somewhere here,,, I get a second I will see if I can find it and post it and see you recognize em.. One of them kind of reminded me of Yogi Bear (real friendly) and the other one was sort of Ogrely like.....

1 order of Magic Mushr,,,, I mean hand picked Morel Mushrooms for the Drewster coming right up :rotfl: :guitarist 2::guitarist 2::guitarist 2:

I have actually seen ones where the hub gear is worn right off and there is still usuable teeth on the drive gear and the set on mine were the hub gear was worn to 65% missing and drive gear maybe down 5% BUT = I do hear what your saying and it could come to doing exactly what your talking about.. I have 3 parts bikes I am working from and swap rear tires frequently so I will keep an eye/feel on it and will definitely follow up on your advice if need be..

That tar n featherin thing is more of a suthern hospitbality deal,,, I'd be more concerned with us feeding ya so many Hot Dogs that your scoot or even your truck wouldnt be able to haul ya down to MD if I was you!!!

Must be west Michigan ladies aint as heat resistant as them Floridian ladies

Drop the stock mufflers and bend up some of your own and my moneys on you would lose 100 pounds with all the other stuff gone..

Might wanna pay attention to or even take pics of any spacer locations between the caliper mount and the wheel just for reference when putting it back together. Also, there maybe removeable spacers on the outside edge of the hub both external where the hub meets the caliper and internal where the hub mates with the drive that you will want to remove before taking it in to have the tire swapped IMHO..

and Tip and I have done a fair amount of transcontinental touring with friends who were riding an air cooled V-Twin and also riding 2 up down into the 100 degree tempts of the south and can tell ya first hand that the lady passenger on the back of that great big gorgeous V-Twin got baked enough on her legs and feet while sitting in a construction zone down yonder that she swore she would never ever ever do that again... And to this very day,,, she hasn't... IMHO,, the ride experience for 1 up on an air cooled V-Twin tour is a totally different debate than that of a full out cross country tour in 2 up mode....

Looks like there is a really good chance that very dear friend and brother of ours will be doing a jammer party at our house and riding to MD with Tip, Tweeksis and I this year... Was wondering if the east siders like ragtop69gs or rickardracing or Carbon_One were meeting up for the ride in and if so, should we attempt to connect up for the grand entrance into Ohio??? Also,,, if other lop eared varmints from the west like @Flyinfool wanted to stop in for my man cave sleep over jammer party for thursday night they would be welcome and welcome to tag for the journey to Dons.. Others have done this and survived the ordeal so IMHO,,, ya have nothing to fear but fear itself,,,,,, ok,,, and maybe be a little fearful of eating my hand picked mushrooms

IMHO,,, no need to remove the fairing and bleeding off the metering valve only takes second... Here's how I'd do it if it were mine:

Absopositivelylutely Cha... While many sensitive in the ears lop eared varmints may actually be greasing those pins to keep em from squeakin,,, ultimately that squeakin sound is the voice of the pins sayin "hey,,, grease me ya varmint,, put a dab of grease on me and might last an extra couple hundred thousand miles".. Nahhhhh nahhhhhh deeeeee booooo booooooo ya missed me againnn :rasberry: Let it go Fool,,,, let it go or @Freebird may give you a probationary term you wont believe!!!!! Those mating teeth didnt look that bad,, down about 20 thou.. I cant but wonder if the hub gear didnt have the same heat treating as the inner gear after hobbing or something cause it definitely had no where near the wear.. GOOD point though brother!!!

FYI,, when I get a chance I will spell this out by copy/pasting the posts that led to my comment that stated "you could be a Yamaha shill or I could be one for HD" for ya brother. Until then,, for the readers benifit and that of your own,,, I absolutely did not ever say you were one... Like I been saying all along,,,facing the truth is the best way IMHO....

I'll just make this comment to serve as an opinionated (and probably not a very good one cause I have never owned or worked on a 2nd Gen) answer to both this post and that other one you made looking for pre season prep advice. 1st,,, and this goes double if you have been using Seafoam as I have found the use of Seafoam to put a coating on my plugs ceramic insulator, because of the sensitivity to over choking because of the smaller plugs we use - I would swap in a new set of standard NGK's and gap em at the low side so when they heat up over time and open up like plugs tend to do, they have the whole tolerance range to open into. Because your scoot is not cold starting without the choke,, IMHO - your running fat problem is probably not related to the floats being set to high.. Knowing this, I would probably drop the metering rods 1 1/2mm and see if that didnt clean it up.. On my 1st Gens it was necessary to shim em down using little nylon washers I got for a couple cents each from Ace Hardware but yourr bike may be more of the traditional bike with the "C" clip on the metering rods to adjust em.. I would check the diaphrams when I set the metering rods and of course, resync after wards. Also,, IMHO,, if your using KnN filters and especially if you are oiling them,,, its fairly easy to restrict airflow and fatten up the mixture that way too.. I love my stock paper filters that allow just the right amount of air box restriction BUT - lots of folks go oil treated KnN's..

If you click on my video below of our comparison between our tired old 1st Gen with its pocket sized MP3 player compared to the new on board Info System (start at two minutes in) you may notice that there were some teething issues happening way back then (I actually mentioned to them that it might be a little soon for a release and later learned that production had been halted for a short time while Mom Yam worked out unspecified problems). Of course,, being the one of the more cocky ol geezer touring bike rider wannabe types who still has not quite come to appreciate all these modern day electronic gizmo's on motorcycles these days I also could not refrain from quoting Scotties (odd,,, Scotty and I share the same name ) famous lines (vid 2 below) to those Yamaha factory folks at the Rally

OUTSTANDING Randy, well done brother!! Thank you so much for doing what no one really ever wants to do but out of love for our fallen family member and having Dan's back, you went looking for answers. Double checking for possibility of things not right and letting your family back here know what you found so we could somehow maybe find a little more peace knowing that the way it went down was looked into by one of his dearest friends does exactly that,, at least in my case... THANK YOU for your thoughtfulness and genuine love for Dan and your extended family here Randy! I know one thing for sure,,, our Yammer Dan would have done exactly the same thing had this nightmare had found one of us in that saddle instead of him. Well done Venturous Randy,,, well done!! Love ya brother! Puc

Thank you Skidder!!

,,, wouldnt using 33 coats of Liquid Glass on your Victory and only 11 coats on the HD and trying to draw a conclusive comparison of their resistance to paint finish wear be sort of the definition of one not comparing apples to apples ..

What exactly does having a good shop mean to you BBQ? Is this your place where you work on your ownor does this mean that you know of a local bike shop that still works on carburated scoot? Quite frankly,, these V-4's that we here in the club have come to love and appreciate have a fairly complicated carb system that,, having proven themselves worthy - are still carbs with all the tendency's to wear out float needle n seats that will leak down fuel if not addressed, get holes in diaphrams cause their CV carbs, loose float height over time, easily plug up low speed jetting if stored improperly and on and on.. I know this sounds harsh but a while back,, another new member came aboard and asked similar questions before making the jump - I tired to explain to him that he was either gonna end up spending the bucks at a shop (f he could find one who would work on a bike over 10 years old) or he would absolutey have to learn to spin wrenches and enjoy it cause old carburated anything has to be Tweeked on if you expect to get the miles out of it.. He bought it and is still kind of frustrated IMHO at how much is involved.. Not trying to discourage you in any way BBQ,, just trying to voice the truth.. Concerning the 99,,, one of the things I would definitely look at if I were considering a 2nd Gen of that vintage is I would look carefully at the bottom of the rear shock and make sure it shows no sign of leakage.. If it does,, offer em 3 and take the money you saved and use it to buy a good aftermarket...