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The way it's panning out, our trip south to MD is gonna be via the U.P. of Michigan with club member brother/friend VideoArizona being led astray,,, I mean being honorably shown some of Michigans finest in the process... Any lop eared Yooper varmints or Canuckians up that way wanna chance to say howdy to that mad manVaz in the process may wanna keep an eye on the water hole for a quick kodiac (not a typo Vaz,,, they do have bears up there ) moment... We wont be crossing into Canada but hey,,, last time I checked,,, Canuckian land was still right there so thought it best to mention this... Are we there yet Vaz?

WOWZY WOW WOW WOW American ,,, you certainly went from a drop dead gorgeous to a drop dead gorgeous scoot there brother!!!!!! Soooooooooo sorry to read about all this nonsense,,, hope you get it all ironed out my friend!!!

You see Shrek,, smack that lop eared ogre varmint on the back and tell em Puc said hey will ya Snype!!!!!

I am of the same persuation Snype,,, I lost a really close friend of mine (amazing you bring this up,, his memorial ride is this sunday and I am hoping to ride it) to a loose cup finding its way between the steer stem and frame = instant locked up steering.. I have been a styro or thin plastic container only in my cup holder on the bars ever since..

:clap2::dancefool::dancefool::dancefool::dancefool::dancefool::dancefool::dancefool::dancefool::dancefool::dancefool::dancefool::dancefool::dancefool::dancefool: ,,, ah oh,,, forgot to tell ya Vaz,,, The Mackinaw Bridge that we will be crossing that protects the Yoopers of Michigan from the Trolls below them has a definite weight limit my brother ,,, Cant wait!!!:guitarist 2::guitarist 2:

OUTSTANDING!!! Be safe and hope you and Char have a RIOT out there Yamster!! By the way,,, got bad news for you,,, you aint gettin no alone time brother,, aint gonna happen!!!!! Every gas station, resturant or even potty time pull over - you are gonna be surrounded by new Venture site see'ers who will have endless questions about Char Also,,, I see ya done goofed up here already and forgot the club rules about 's,,,,,, like you and the rest of these lop eared VR sidewinding varmints - I know The Code and it saying: "no pics = it didnt happen" but here abouts,, we are a little more lienient and tend to default more toward: Bottom line,, ya got your packed so you can take some more of those excellent pics of yours to top off your excellent stories with brother!!!! HAVE FUN = RIDE SAFE!!! Puc

Right there with ya Corporal Newkirk on all points except one. While I hold ABSOLUTELY no ill feelings toward ANY 3rd gen rider/owner/lover or what ever and would be PROUD to ride with and enjoy the company of any of those fine folks,, I DO hold ill feeling toward Mom Yam on this one.. Fact is,, if you read the post below from XV1100/Don concerning what could have been and what many of us were led to believe was GOING to be and my response to that post you are probably intelligent enough to easily understand why a simple nobody 1st Gen rider like myself may have those feelings... IMHO,, it is possible for someone to "earn" the right to be whiny, especially if they have been openly misled thru marketing propaganda over something that they clearly have invested years of their passion into.. Maybe some folks would consider what I am talking about as being some form of being "spoiled"?? I can see that too,,, as a matter of fact, I really truly feel like, after spending my life seeing the world from the saddle of a 1st Gen I actually do feel VERY spoiled = what an amazing machine!! In the end,, IMHO,,, I think some of us have earned the right to be a little whiny if we want to and I certainly do not think anyone has the right to tell me (or others) to move on any more than I have the right to tell them what bike to buy and be happy with..... This almost crosses into the personal attack zone IMHO.. Unfortunately I witnessed first hand Yamaha's marketing of the new bikes where they introduced the Star Riders who designed the new bike and chose the V-Twin platform.. Then later, at the Americade world release I sat in a front row seat and listened to the Yamaha reps proclaiming clearly again that it was indeed the Star Riders design input that resulted in the production of the SVTC and Eluder.. Later I actually met some of these folks and reconfirmed that it was, in fact,, their input and theirs alone that did this.. No sneak teams from Yamaha up into Canada were mentioned... This is why I keep mentioning that I wish I had access to the "Star Touring" forums as it would be very interesting to see just how many of the folks who are responsible for the new bikes design actually now are riding them.. and at the end of the day,,, that IS the rub XV!!! Mom Yam actually gave the new Venture "star billing" (no pun intended) with marketing words that said those words (NO COMPETITION),, they clearly stated the new bike was going to turn the touring world upside down!! It was the play on those very words that is, IMHO, a big part of what is now creating slow sales for them and continued open contriversy about whether or not the move toward as a clone to HD and chasing the Harley world, and going toe to toe with the leader in V-Twin design (HD) on MSRP was a good one or not.. IMHO as well as many others,,, just like you point out, had Mom Yam of sought design assistance from the faithful Venture owners of the past and heard what they clearly stated in threads like this one,,, I whole heartily agree/believe that there really would be NO COMPETITION, the touring really would have been turned up side down AND,, these on going contriversial debates would be one of many voices screaming ROCK ON MOM YAM instead of openly questioning her judgement!!!!!

,, SKEETERRR!!!! Sup?? Glad to see you back at it here,, all the best on the new scoot and also (nothing has changed here):

?? - in your second paragraph - what is a "20 payoff"? Is thiseferencing installment Months? Having learned via experience thru the years,,, I do everything in my power to hold making the "getting an attorney involved" statement with companies as using the Attorney statement just never has worked out in my favor.. Instead,, I choose to let my attorney notify them once he has actually been invited to the party... In my experience,, even mentioning an attorney is a guarenteed way to, as you experienced have the doors of negotiations slammed shut and also build a permanent wall between yourself and your dealer that may not necessarily need to be built.. Personally,,, I think I would have called Harley Financial Services as soon as it appeared that the Yam shop was possibly scammin because the bike in question actually belongs to them . That could result in a simple communication/notification from HFS to the Yam shop that may have been all it would have taken to shake the tree and make the fruit fall.. If the Venture is also owned by a finance company I would also get them in the loop as they too are involved too and would actually be someone with authority and probably so much so that they would be the ones calling the dealership after a chat with HFS to shake the tree. I would simply look at my "titles" and find out who actually owns the bikes and go from there... Most dealerships are just a middleman, no more no less IMHO (not all though,, I actually had a trade offer in my dealership on a bike that was owned by a local Dealership who was carrying the loan in house - the seller was attempting to scam us by trading in a bike that did not belong to him = a simple phone call to the owning dealership got them their machine back that hadnt been paid on for over 6 months).. Thinking about this,, I really wonder if what I mention above still might not be your best hope for a quick solution.. I know one thing for absolute sure,, the "wheels of justice" work very very slooooowly (at least in my experience) and tend to be fairly expensive so be prepared for a POSSIBLE longgg summer of making double payments on stuff to keep things solvent if you do indeed choose to hit the courts up,,, also IMHO of course.. SORRY THIS ALL HAPPENED TO YOU BROTHER!!! Puc

OUTSTANDING CHA!!!!!!!!!:dancefool::dancefool::clap2::dancefool: Give that pa of yours a HUGE slap on the back and tell him thats from Puc cause he thinks your Dad is one AWESOME Pop for doing what he is about to do!!!!!!!!!! Here's a :bighug:and a slap on your back too for the same cause brother = a dad and his son out CTFW together:biker: - it dont get no better than that ya lop eared varmint!!! Have fun, enjoy the moment as they each present themselves and most of all,,,,, grab every second of joy out of being with your Dad Cha = it dont get no better than that my friend!!!

Out on our west coast,,,, there's a ride called M-22,,, it's a ride that cha wanna do to get away from it allll..... All our bikes lookin grand,,,, a Puc's 1/3 pound hot dog in each handddd,,,,,,,,,,, Friday,, May 25th 2018,, meet in Onekama Mi for Dogs, Pops and an Elvis Concert (for you lop eareds that STILL refuse to believe Elvis IS alive,, here is your chance to come find out first hand what many of us have known for years - HE IS ALIVE AND WELL!!!).. Then it's UP M-22 for a journey thru ARCADIA,,,,,,,,, ALL WELCOME!!!! we'll get there fast BUT then we'll take it slow,,,,,, ohhh I wanna take ya,,,, ANY ONE INTERESTED? IF SO LET ME KNOW AND I WILL WORK OUT THE DETAILS WITH MY STAFF AND POST EM UP HERE.. LAST MGnEM ENDED UP BEING JUST TIP, TWEEKSIS AND I,,,,, TOOK A LONGGGGG TIME FOR MY TUMMY TO WORK THRU ALL THOSE LEFT OVER DOGS!!!!!

,, lets start a Poll and see how many buyers of the new bikes came from the V-4 background such as yourself!! Those are ALWAYS a good time!!!

I here that American and know where your coming from. If it weren't for my dealership background/understanding how it works with H.M. and contacts I would find it hard to belief as well. The dealership I am speaking of that has indeed already sold and delivered over 40 new Wings is: https://www.hondaofrussellville.com/?utm_source=ReachLocal&utm_medium=CPC&utm_campaign=SEMHondaofRussellvilleMotorcycleATV&scid=3522103&cid=2517976&tc=180521173229869&rl_key=052b3ce709ceea1007807afd1990011c&kw=28195646&pub_cr_id=261045579289&dynamic_proxy=1&primary_serv=www.hondaofrussellville.com&device=c&network=g&rl_track_landing_pages=1&rl_retarget=1 Anyone thinking of a new Wing and buying thru a 5 star like Honda of Russelville should keep something in mind,,, because of Honda's floor planning and franchise agreements, even the largest dealerships are NOT allowed to ship - fact is,, if you want to buy thru a place like the Russelville dealership you will HAVE to show up at the store - in person!! Kind of weird too but that is the way it works..

Seriously and straight from the hip,,, I honestly think you guys are onto something and that something is actually something that has been mentioned on more than one occasion.. I think where Mom Yam may have messed up is in naming this new bike a "Venture".. Like you say,, it is definitely not a Venture.. In that the design came straight from the ranks of the Strat, Roadliner crowd - perhaps it should have been named the Stratotourer or something... The disconnect between what a Yamaha Venture has been since creation and the huge difference between then and now is just to confusing. IMHO (and YES,, this is JUST my opinion) I theorize that Mom Yam only used the Venture name as a lure to try and bring past Venture Riders/Owners into the V-Twin cloud and sort of get as much bang for her buck as possible and I am sure (although I have not seen it happen personally yet) that is happening somewhere and that past 1st or 2nd Gen owners are trading in their V-4's but I still wonder of the whole change over may have gone a lot smoother had the bike just been named after the 113's the Star Riders who designed it were riding... Probably makes no sense to anyone else but it does to me...

By the way brother,,, not to cause you more grief but I been diggin and diggin here and for the life of me I cannot find the Proverbs reference to the unstable man in my Bible... I remembered it being in the 1st Chapter of James and found it there in verse 8 but nothing is coming up in Proverbs for me. Any help would be greatly appreciated and THANKS for the inspiration to do some diggin Chief = I NEEDED THAT!!

Coming in from the Baldwin Mi Blessing of the Bikes thru Bitely Michigan I noticed these fellow bikers having a really really good time out playing with their steeds. I have participated in my share of Bike Rodeo's thru the years and the game they are playing in this video sure looks familiar.. Of course,, this may not be a Rodeo at all and may just be a bunch of good friends,, having good times = GET OUT AND RIDE!! Puc

Hi VR big people - its me,,, "Birdie"!! Here are some pics my grampa Puc took of me today!! I am doing MUCH better,, I can breath better and guess what,,, I think I am actually hearing better too cause my grampa was teasing me while whispering on "Snype" and it made me laugh/smile so you can tell I am hearing really good!! Gramps told me of each of your thoughts and prayers on me behalf and I just wanted to say THANK YOU to everyone out there who thought and prayed for me!! I am not totally back at it yet BUT really close,, and partially because of your kindness!! Love you folks and THANK YOU again! Birdie

:sign yeah that::sign yeah that::sign yeah that::sign yeah that::sign yeah that::sign yeah that: Ya done did us proud Fool!!!!! Specially for a geezerly type of White White Washer cement mixer!!

What you may be reading/seeing and interpreting as two facedness could be a bold attempt at me keeping my disenchantment with what Mom Yam came out with as the New Venture separate from my respect/love for my fellow bikers being they Christian brothers or not (toss that in cause you played the religion card in your comment) . I dont recall ever taking the debate to a personal level aimed personally at the riders/owners of the new scoots as you seem to be doing here and have attempted to make sure that doesnt happen - hence, the pat on the back and congrats to those who have sought and bought.. That's about as far down the lane of defending myself to your accusations that I am willing to go Chief as I really really really do not want to get into an angered, personal assault thread - understand though,, if I felt you were playing/joking here in your personal attack I would GLADLY participate (so you know,, its not that I cant take a joke).. I just have never seen personal attacks on forums end positively for anyone - more of a lose/lose situation than anything else.. I do want to apologize to you though if I did come across in my posts concerning my opinions of the new Venture as aiming at any human beings, I never intended for that to happen Chief.. Just a thought here, iIf you went back and read the thread that Yamster just brought to the forefront where many of us VR club members took the time and gave our thoughts about what we were hoping for in the new Venture you will find a post by myself where I gave a detailed "wish list" concerning the new bike.. If I recall,, I also openly BEGGED Mom Yam to PLEASE not come out with another HD V-Twin clone and NOT because I have anything against air cooled, push rod V-Twins - I think I mentioned something there about there already being to many of them IMHO.. Also,, if I recall correctly,, take a peek at the date on those posts.. You might notice that that thread began way back in '15,,, long before I had the honor of even making your aquaintence - I leave this rebuttal to your attack here with this thought,, that was longgggg before you and I had ever met and actually,,, long before Mom Yam even came out with the new Machine... NOTHING between you and I brother.. IMHO,, that should reveal a steadfastness in my part concerning being double minded,,, I was then as I am now...

:confused24:,,,,,, "the code" must be different up there in Canuckian land. Don't you lop eared varmints ever have to go potty when you go fishing up there? Or have to start a camp fire to cook your fish on? And what do wrap your fish in for the ride home? Oh PLEASE dont tell me ya just lay em in the trunk of your bike with nothin on em:yikes:

Well said guys,, well said!! Some of us are still working on developing some of those skills though,,,, just dont give up on us!!

Nahh,, I sent the Superman Suite back to its rightful owner,, the REAL Superman = Dragonslayer .. I REALLY had fun with it though Duey - what an ABSOLUTE BLAST!!!!!!!! THANKS AGAIN MAN OF STEEL = DRAGONSLAYER!!!!!

This is probably another old school gear head thing and probably incorrect too but in the circles I have built bikes in,, the term "not normally aspirated" would indicate that the engine is boosted somehow,,, either thru supercharging or with a turbo. Chief,, are you indicating here that the new Venture incorporates either of those?? I looked them over fairly close at Americade and at Sturgis last year never found any indicator of such.. I also never felt anything when riding them that indicated such BUT,,, I do concede that I did not seek the Sport Mode as you guys are referring to and it is entirely possible that the "boost" could be tied to such,,, NEVER UNDER ESTIMATE MOM YAM IMHO.. I did get to actually see the throttle body assembly for the new bike and seriously,, it is considerably less in stature than the dual set up used on the Strat, Roadliner or Raider mounts BUT - if I missed something and these new Ventures are indeed not normally aspirated/are boosted then the reduced accumulated size of the throttle body(s) is completely irrelevant IMHO..

I am still not quite sure how just because your adjusting the throttle sensitivity electronically instead of the old fashioned way like we used to do it with a quarter turn throttle can equate to this type of difference though (just seems like there would have to be wayyy more to Sport Mode than what I am hearing/reading here): or from the comments I have read about the new Venture doing wheelies in Sport Mode.... I think I may still be a little confused about what exactly Sport Mode really does/is...