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LOOKS GREAT MY FRIEND !! I just took the picture you have here and showed it to Tweeks - she is setting downstairs waiting for warm weather and got great big on her purdy face and gave you the double !! Hope your other repair job has gone well and you got that purdy scoot of yours all back together @Vickersguy!! SPRING IS COMING and its almost time to let em buck!!

Why,, you are welcome on the encouragement to :mo money:on your shooter Sly!! You didnt mention that you did this but I aint shy Sly,, I will mention it any way.. It's also OK if you told your wife that it was all my fault that you did so,,, as a matter of fact,, the last shooter I bought I think I may have mentioned your name to Tippy in that same context so if you did,, we are square I have owned and operated the 1911's for a good while BUT am an amature when it comes to accurizing and tuning,,, sort of like my relationship with these 1st Gens I been riding for a while,, I just figure out through experimentation what works for me and leave it at that.. That said,, what I do is keep a full set of recoil springs around for my GI 1911 (it's the 5 inch = this DOES make a difference if ordering springs,, if you have a Commander model = they are shorter barreled and take different springs). When I order new springs I like to buy full sets cause they seem to be cheaper and I like having a variety to tune with. I am going to leave a couple links below to show you how/where I get mine. When I ever I get a new set in I always measure them and trim them to length so they are field ready. I do that with set of side cutters and then deburr them with a dremel. It always works best for me to NOT trim on the progressive end of the spring that lays against the barrel stop/slide over the guide rod. I trim them so they dont stack up and bottom out (sort of like can happen on a set of forks) as this can be hard on the gun. The way I "tune" is by watching where my cases are landing = I like a 6' landing. If they are landing wayyyy out there in never land, IMHO it could be not stiff enough spring to handle the load and risking damaging the gun, a heavier spring will bring the case landing closer in.. To close in though (under 6') and it can cause jamming = especially stove piping. Its amazing how easy it is tune to perfecting with a full set of springs. Do you tune differently? I would be THRILLED to hear ANY suggestions you (or anyone for that matter) could suggest if you know of something I am doing wrong,, or could improve on what I have been doing (this old dog can still be taught new tricks and WELCOMES them!!). I like to carry my recoil springs into the field with me cause one never knows what ammo one of my buddies may lay on my at any given time. As you know, if VERY simple to pop in a new spring if shooting +p or going from 150 to 230 grain.. Here what I bought last time I bought springs: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-Recoil-Spring-4-pack-for-5-6-Inch-Pistols-Stainless-Steel-Higher-Caliber/263697685140?epid=18019577647&hash=item3d659b5a94:g:HHgAAOSwBSxa~zFM:rk:7:pf:0 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-Recoil-Spring-4-pack-for-5-6-Inch-Pistols-Stainless-Steel-Lower-Caliber/263697688002?epid=3019584288&hash=item3d659b65c2:g:FW4AAOSwCXJa~zHX

By the way,,, , glad you found our club!!

I have had those exact symptons two times on my 1st Gens thru the years and both times I ended up having to swap out their TCI's to get em to run right. Others have made some GREAT suggestions here IMHO but it might not be a bad idea to at least clean the pin connector(s) on the TCI while in the process of fulfilling their admonitions. If doing all the above does not help though, do a search on "cooking" or "heating" the TCI (put the TCI in an oven and get it hot to dry it out) and also on opening it up (maybe "TCI Repair" = there may even be something in the tech section on doing what needs to be IF what I am thinking holds any merit = I'm a geezer wanna be fixer ) and cleaning it and replacing diodes if needed. I did have an extra TCI that may have worked on your scoot but already gave it away. If you find out you need one, I would make a post stating that as these are old bikes and there seems to be a few of them around waiting in parts status.. Puc

All depends on whether or not you are wanting to/able to work an them yourself? If you are wanting to tinker with them and try a few things, maybe take a quick look at this video and then take a look at the carbs on your RSV and see if you can locate the drain plug/screws and drain hoses like shown on my 83. I have successfully cleaned carbs that have sat by working thru those drains numerous times (not always, sometimes they do have to come all the way down and jets be cleaned out/replaced and carb rebuilt). The down side is that I have never been exposed to a set of RSV carbs (I'm one of the clubs 1st Gen Mk1 wearer outers and never worked on the RSV) BUT carb is usually a carb so to speak.. Here is the vid, you watch it, look at your bike and see if you can find the drains on yours, then let me know if you would like more thoughts on trying to clean them before taking them down..

Not much in the way of shooters but DEFINITELY some interesting Die Cast Planes!! Give er a peek if your so inclined https://www.proxibid.com/MATTHEW-BULLOCK-AUCTIONEERS/ONLINE-ONLY-Gunsmith-Firearms-Military-Auction/event-catalog/156722

ock :sign Rock On:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Makes me wanna get on that thing, crank the bars hard to the left,, open the throttle, dump the clutch and go round and round and round and round!!! BUT,, heres the rub,, my worn out tired ol geezer body could take it any more either brother!!

INDEED MY FRIEND!! Even though those were some rough years as Home Schooling was not something that was welcomed back in those days (we were Home Schoolers back at the beginning before even the "legal" side of it was questionable) we both felt it was the best thing we could do. Because of my wife and her dedication and seriousness about her role as a Mom/Teacher, out of it we ended up with some VERY good and successful adult children. Our oldest daughter completed her Masters work in Education down in South Carolina and has been teaching in California now for many years (her and her husband also just gave us another Grandson too :banana:). Our second born graduated top of the class in the history of GVSU's Chemistry department in her pre-med and went on to get accepted at Cornell Medical School and has been a Doctor now at a big hospital in Sacramento California for years. Killing Cancer is her life goal. My son, our third born is a Business Manager in Micro Brewering and loving his work - he LOVES dealing with people (the apple dont fall far from the tree). Our youngest daughter ended up falling in love with helping the deaf and sought a 4 year degree in ASL (Sign Language) which she earned. Her involvement with that line of work in both Education and the Ministry landed her in the arms of a fine man who she married and the two of them gave us our very first (I am tearing up) Grandson who we JUST celebrated the 2nd birthday of.. GOOD NITE LIFE IS GRAND!! If Tip and I had it all to do allllll over again,, we would sooner move to some island in the middle of nowhere and raise our kids if we had to before we would change anything.

Early winter was particularly hard one year for my shop so I went looking for supplemental income and excitement (actually, I was bored, lots of folks dont know this about me but I am kinda high strung and setting around in an office with nothing really going on makes me skitterish ) and I noticed that a local school had a "Needed, Substitute Teachers" sign out front. Upon inquiry I found out that I didn't have to have a degree in Education to Sub, any 4 year degree would get ya in.. I passed the background check and went to work teaching in an abandoned (the teacher was off on Maternity Leave) 4th Grade class. WHAT A HOOT!! The only issue I had at all came about due to the current Federal Regs governing the whole classroom computer time that kids are required to have. Short version, the story went like this: The back of the classroom was closed off with blackboards on wheels in an effort to create a Computer Lab for the class. Each student was suppose to get 20 minutes minimal on the keyboard per day. I was sitting on the teachers desk opening an English book when the cutest little 4th grade girl with pony tails you ever did see :680:came bouncing up to my desk and said: Teacher,, Billy (not a real name) is back there looking at dirty pictures on the computer :yikes:.. I said,, what did you say? She repeated herself as I was putting my Book down and heading that way.. When I rounded the corner of the black boards I caught just a quick glimpse of what "Billy" was looking at just before he clicked on another website as though he had been there before. I walked over, asked what he was doing. He calmly said he was "working on his computer project". I calmly said,, sure,, as I was reaching for switch on the UPS that the computers were plugged into.. The announcement that I made to the class as I was rolling the blackboards up against the wall that there would be no more computer time while I was their teacher caused no small stir. A couple of the more nervous types made sure that I knew that I couldn't do that, to which I calmly proclaimed ownership of the class and their well being for as long as I was teaching and we all went back to studying English. About an hour after the computer incident, I voice came from behind me asking me to send one of the children to the office for something. It took a minute for me to realize that the voice was coming from an intercom system that remained on during school hours.. Speaking to the speaker on the wall I said I would send the child down to the office right away. As the student was leaving the room it dawned on me that someone had been listening in on the whole episode about the computer .. Figured I was out the door for sure:buttkick:. I thought wrong.. About a month later, during my last day teaching, the Principle approached me, shook my hand and said: I just want you to know that YOU have a job here ANYTIME you want one!! I REALLY appreciate having a "Man Teacher" in these lower grades and the kids REALLY responded well to you, GOOD JOB!! He also mentioned the Computer ordeal and let me know that, while his full time faculty could never have gotten away with what I did (Regs), because I was a Sub, I fell under a totally different set of rules and he was VERY PROUD of me for handling the entire situation like I did! I went away from that once in a lifetime opportunity to access the Public School system as a teacher like I did with a real internal feel of fulfillment = VERY REWARDING!! Part of me though left there feeling sorry for those kids that are not getting what they really need from on Educational System that - above all else - is suppose to be protecting and guiding them toward becoming good people. I also felt sorry for the administrators and faculty who's hand's were obviously tied in deciding what could and could not be done in administrating/teaching for that hopeful outcome.. What a mess Prayers Up for for this land of the free

Not me brother, I prefer riden necked when I am out there in that dry heat:biker::biker: Can't believe I said necked with it being -25 wind chill right now ,, must been the cabin fever thats been goin around finally caught up with me

For one of my cancer surgeries I had to have a colonoscopy and have my colon filled with air and filled with barium (or something like that) for some picture takin. Imagine the thrill I felt when I walked into the dark colon room where I would lay on my side and have a funnel with an air line coupler attached to it stuck in yonder region to find a young women who was part of our Church deer hunting camp many years ago as a teenager.. She looked at the surprise on my face and said - Mr. B, if you are uncomfortable with me doing this procedure dont be afraid to say something, we can reschedule your procedure with a different Radiologist. I looked right at her and said EXACTLY those words Leroy!!

Yep, the issue with building 7 was that it did not get hit or make contact with Jet Fuel.. The steel in Building 7 was only exposed to fire from office material = no where close to 2500.. I TOTALLY hear ya DJ on the not having a sheepskin routine brother!! After I got married and we started our family (4 kids) it became apparent that more yearly income might come in handy. Tip was busy at home teaching/raising our kids (we home schooled em, she was a school teacher when we met - stayed home and taught them all the way thru high school = AMAZING WOMEN SHE IS) and I have always been the sole bread winner as it were. I had been in skilled trades for years in Machine Repair, tigging pipe for the BoilerMakers and a bunch of machine tool maintenance/electrical work and seen a really good paying Maintenance Management Job come to my attention. I applied for it and got told that I was actually the person with the best background experience but because I didnt have a College Education they could not hire me, THAT REALLY HURT!! This inspired me to go back to school as a non-traditional student (I was 39 years old. It was TOUGH working full time and going to night school full time but we managed and I ended up with a 4 year degree and a GPA of 3.96 (I graduated high school with a 2.5 - I took College WAYYY more seriously). Because of my degree and my work history I walked right into Managing 5 union departments (3 of them were skilled tradesmen) for a huge food distribution company. My income skyrocketed as did our families benefits (they even paid for some of my kids college education, as well as x4 Orthodonics care :mo money:and the all the other goodies, place was pretty cool - upper/mid management got 1.25 match for every dollar we stuck into our retirement funds - FREE MONEY ). I left there 6 years later and took on a Plant Superintendents position in a UAW shop that was a full op (including foundry) machining company that built Pumps and Pump accessories for the fuel station industry.. Ended up with a huge sign on bonus as well as doubling my income.. All because I had a sheepskin (and a good work ethic that earned me LOTS of experience thru the years). It was because of this job that I was able to aquire the :mo money:to start my bike dealership and walk off into fulfilling my life dream of owning/operating a bike dealership = I LOVE AMERICA, times have truly changed and I wish we could see it back on its feet!! Prayers Up for THAT to happen!!

Oh heck yea Leroy,, bicycling and even modding bikes was a way of life growing up as a kid in the mid 60's. We had no money (there were a couple rich kids in the area that had the luxury of owning something like a Schwinn factory Stingray with those really cool racing slicks on the back and even one who later got a Krate bike called an Orange Peel or something like that (us actual gear heads were already fooling with Mini Bikes by that time but my MO was more along the line of building em from junk - cutting the hollow tubes off a Huffy and hanging them on Schwinn solid tubes to make choppers ) so kids on junk bikes were very popular. Besides everyday transportation as a 9 year old, I would make a regular monthly or even a couple times a month to a place called "Strevel's Market" on Old Grand Haven Road from my house in Fruitport. It was about 12 miles from our home to the store front. This is gonna sound nuts but the entire reason for the trip was my hunt for horizontal shaft engines with great plans in my head for altering my bicycle into gas powered.. Even back then, gearheadedness as a way of life for myself and many others. The days were filled with an "I can make it go" attitude, another something that has been lost IMHO. Crazy as it sounds, I went to work at 14 years old at an old Sunoco gas station making 60 cents an hour. Pumping 260 into those early Muscle cars was pure BLISS!! I used to love smell the unburned fuel sneaking past the lumpy valve overlap idling cars as they sat there rockin and rolling in front of the pumps with dials on em - we are talking INTOXICATING here brother. I hadnt been there very long and my boss seen something special in me and invited me into the garage to help spinning wrenches. Occasionally he and I would actually get to play with one of those big block pavement rippers.. Sooo much fun!! A day and age when being a gearhead was not just respectable but a way of life.. Living the REAL American dream,, working for living and enjoying EVERY minute of it..

A Puc opinion: Though they are still a carb with similar design as their mechanical counterparts (low speed and main jets, metering rods, floats ect), CV's have a completely different operational method. Their dependence on vacuum and precision controlled environmental properties for proper function and the R&D put into all those operational parameters (everything from airboxes to exhaust systems) can never be overlooked. I hot rodded an 03 Anniversary 88 inch Twin Cam HD one time with a really neat 5 pounds of boost gear driven blower that I ended up using a CV carb on as a finished product. I specifically chose a cam profile for the build that showed no valve overlap in its design. The CV did pretty dog gone good with an 18 horse increase on the dyno and the bike looked and sounded great because I purposely stayed away from valve over lap which would have led to a need for scavanging on the pipes which would have increased the viable option for a Velocity stack to assist the Super Charger in its effort to stuff the fill on the chambers that were being scavenged upon. Sure, the build could have easily included a cam profile with some overlap in that would have required a mechanical carb and a stack with a set of drag pipes to allow for proper scavaging and in the end I could have squeezed another 20 horse out of her BUT to what detriment? It would have sounded good if ya like lumpy but would have not been much of an everyday rider IMHO. The sweetness of a CV is found in its delivery of linear, smooth power from the bottom of the R's to tapped out with all of the natural twitches of the riders wrist - much more forgiving for sure, the vacuum operated slides see to that. Probably not explaining myself here to well.. Let me try another example.. I have read lots of thoughts on altering the airboxes on our scoots by more than one person. Usually, not always but usually some very experienced and knowledgable V-4 tinkerer like zagger will join in and mention the need for placing restrictors in the top of the venturi's of each carb (washers?) to return the needed restriction that the airbox once provided to get the bike to run right. I have ALWAYS nodded in understanding whenever someone like our own Zag mentions such a thing because the CV carb, as tryed to describe above, needs to have those original design parameters maintained one way or the other in order to function properly. It may sound right or be right but thats my story and I am sticking to it,, unless someone much smarter than can learn me something:essen_018:

:missingtooth:Yeaa but OPEN FLAME is WAYYYYYYYY more fun to play with You are correct about one thing though my sweet brother,,, old guys DEFINITELY RULE!! !! Unless of course the love of his life is sitting next to him reading everything he writes, in that case the old guys dominion becomes questionable at best:crackup:

I do know there is a LOT to it all but I still think that over all, the greastest part of the failure concerning the bike trade is an economic one in nature. If we had the jobs back that were given away to help/support the globalist/socialist agenda and were vibrant and strong economically by the American worker being revived to a level that we were during and right after WW2 and up till when the Globalist took power, I think things could/would correct fairly quickly. Take away the give me it for "free" programs once the demand for a work force is re-established and the folks working two jobs for peanuts or living off the taxpayer have REAL jobs that pay REAL livable wages (it's called Capitalism,, completely the opposite of Socialism) it would be amazing how fast the demand for luxury items (like bikes) would sky rocket. Have you guys ever seen the show "Shark Tank"? I will never forget the first time I saw it.. Tip says to me: Honey, with your love for economics and the American way of life,, you have GOT to sit down and watch this - it is #1 on the charts. After watching that show one time, I looked at Tippy and said, outloud,, "THAT IS DISCUSTING"!! She said - what,, why?? I said, "think about it this way,, that show is based TOTALLY and SOLEY on what our U.S. way of life is suppose to be! To me - seeing that the dynamics of that show are so foreign and amazing to my fellow countrymen that they flocked to it on TV and are amazed at such a uncommon and amazing thing taking place was down right sickening. What that show represented to me was/is suppose to be an EVERYDAY occurrence and what our country is built on, not some marvel of Hollywood. Not something that any of us Americans should be shocked to see! Disconcerting to say the least,, at least from my old school, geezerly perspective.. I really truly think that if the younger generations had NO freebie handouts to rely on but had jobs that paid 6 digits for going in and WORKING,, they dont know it because of what they have been sold as a replacement way of life but I think they would be amazed at how rewarding working for a living truly is and would GLADLY turn their backs on the bill of goods they have been sold by dishonesty and trickery and they would kick the Socialist to the perverbial curb. I also think they would GLADLY be riding around on new Harleys, raising their kids in new homes and driving new cars if they had the cash.

Takes one to know one and moment by moment it appears that YOU have a pretty good start at knowing em all ya lop eared sneaky varmint Sly!! :rasberry:

I use to OWN Reading Railroad!! I loved playing Monopoly:big-grin-emoticon:!!

It's a simple rule,, America got sold out,, and in more ways then 1.. 1. The Globalist who have been in charge of the U.S. for decades now, thru trade agreements like NAFTA, have all but given our manufacturing jobs away. 2. I have actually seen this happen many times over and KNOW that its real. Thru weak International Trade Laws, foreign countries can (and DO) come here and steal our manufacturing (and I am sure even high tech Military secrets) technologies, copycat it and then bring in identical product. I watched this exact thing happen to a company called "BBR" with their PitBikes back in the early 80's. I was at a Dealer Expo, BBR was there with the new high end stuff (REALLY COOL), the Chinese were there looking for dealers for there fairly thin line of Mopeds but they were also DownStairs openly taking pictures of the BBR stuff. The very next year the Chinese had almost the whole upstairs COVERED with copy cat BBR pit bikes. 3. Public Education: When I was a kid our Public School taught history with pride and truth. We learned about WW2, Civil War, Revolutionary War. We actually said the Pledge of Allegiance and opened with Prayer.. I went thru 4 years of Hard Materials and Auto Shop, and Electronics in my high school years. Being "Blue Collar" back then was actually a thing of pride. I left school with a diploma and walked right into one of highest paying shops (and there were a TON of them) and began my Machining experience running Turret Lathe beside men who were successfully raising families. I was RICH,, bought a house bought the 1st 250 Elsinore in West Mich brand new - with cash, bought a new Jeep CJ5, lived high on the hog. Then when the Boiler Makers opened the apprentiship I jumped ship and tripled my income over night.. I LOVED working and learning. Today's Public education is lacking in some of this, they have to be because the Socialist idea of getting something for nothing that plagues our youth (and a lot of geezers too) has to be coming from somewhere. 4. The stupiding of the U.S. = Open dishonesty in Governing and in Business. It amazes me when I see otherwise intellengent people by into things and except things as fact when the powers that be make certain decisions for them. In other words,, critical thinking skills seem to have gone right out the window. Little things like when building 7 went down and the country was told that steel now melts at 700 degrees, nobody had a problem with it. Or when a company like Polaris buys out a brand name like Indian and then starts proclaiming that the Indian Motorcycle Company never went under and that they (Indian Motorcycle Company) is now producing again and that they are NOT Polaris Motorcycles.. I KNOW, sounds crazy, as in WHO CARES PUC - as long as they sell,, right? Well, to be honest with you,, I do.. I do because its another step away from truth and honesty AND its a business that I have been passionate about for years to come. Dishonest hurts us as a people and as a country.. The fingers on my right hand are aching (cant use my left anymore) so I gotta quit but that should be enough to get started with my response here.. Remember Casey,, you asked for this:hihi: Quick bottom line,, everything from work ethic to available decent paying jobs to a huge loss in personal respondsibility to the destruction of the family unit play into the deeper end of the answer of your question IMHO

OUTSTANDING BROTHER!! Hope you have a GREAT trip (you deserve it!!) out there!! Sorry to hear about the clutch but hey,, LOOK WHAT YOU PUT THAT POOR THING THRU :dancefool: All the best on the repairs!! As far as the Locomotor,, unlike these other superior intellengent lop eared varmints and being an old Boiler Maker I was gonna guess a boiler.. I guess I was sorta kinda right cause those Locos were all about steam and that is what a boiler is all about... Hey VAz,, you look down right natural sitting there at those controls! GREAT PICS!!

Now THAT is a good one Kretz!!:clap2::rotf::rotfl: Literally had me cry laughin brother!! What the heck,, went back to the early 1900's,, may as well go wayyyyyyyyyyy back

BEAUTIFUL shooter there Tuffy!! I like the original style A LOT but I am building one of the later M4 platforms (flat back). I chose the ModKey furniture for ease of hanging stuff on like a 27 inch retractable Bipod (I cant shoot prone anymore cause of health but sitting and kneeling are still doable) on.. I am also laying a 6-24 scope on it (got a 3-9 with BDC if that dont work out).. I picked up an old 1600 yard Range Finder for 40 bucks that works EXCELLENT, going take a perch over looking the swamp not far from here where you can see for MILES and pick me off some dead brances, leaves and the like wayyyyyyyyyyy out there . I cut my teeth shooting with guys who served in WW2 - the real deal stuff. One of them was my girlfriends dad who served in the Pacific theater and saw a lot of action. Because of him, I got involved with Turkey shoots and shooting dynamite at 200 yards for prize = TONS OF FUN!! The love of long range shooting is still in there brother:missingtooth:

There is definitely a difference between the two and ya dont wanna go shootin the NATO 556 in a shooter chambered for the 223.. 223 in a 556, good to go but not the other way around. You guys are right on target with the higher pressures. The 556 has a lightly deeper throat in the chamber that causes accuracy loss if shooting 223 in them though. Years ago a guy with the last name of "Wylde" developed a chamber that gives the best of both worlds - it will both rounds very well and the 223 gets its accuracy back and then some. That is why I sought out a Wylde Chambered barrel for this build I am doing.. One of the things I personally really LOVE about the AR is they are so stinking buildable and tunable, down right FUN for an old geezer wanna be shooter to tinker with.. I JUST finished putting mine together, sat down here for a few minutes and already found another Wylde chambered barrel that I want to pick up.. A 24 inch fluted stainless.. Only thing is,, now I see it is available in the 224 Valkerie - little more range, less effected by cross winds.. Seriously, I guy could have 9mm, 7.62x39, 224 Valk and on and on and on by using the same lower and upper reciever and only swap out barrels, bolt carrier groups and magazines... SO MUCH FUN!! Almost makes not being to ride long distance tolerable . I got some video but its late.. Here are some pics of my progress..

So the way works here @Condor is if your buying over the internet and having stuff shipped in everything has to be sent to an FFL.. This includes Handguns, Long guns and/or the parts where that have the serial numbers stamped on them if your buying parts - usually this means lower receivers. I have an FFL (Pawnshop - GREAT PEOPLE) that do ship ins for 20 bucks and that includes the background check. There is no break if you have a concealed carry, still gotta pay the 20 (CHEAP) and fill out the paper work - then the FFL runs a background and out the door ya go.. Owner to owner here is Michigan is still open (Socialist here call this the Gun Show Loophole cause literally you can be at a gun show, see a guy selling a long gun, hand em the money and walk out the door completely legal) and legal with no backgrounds BUT if we are talking handguns then you either have to go to the Sherrifs Dept, have them to a Background, wait a few days, get a purchase permit, take the permit to the owner of the shooter, he fills in his part(s), keeps his corner of the paper, take the rest back to the Sherrif, the Sherrif tears off a corner and gives it to you and charges 10 bucks. If you dont wanna wait, both you and the seller can go to the Pawn shop and have it all taken care of instantly for 20 bucks.. Make sense? Michigan is actually a really cool place to be a shooter. Here, we still consider State and Federal Lands to belong to "we the peoples". Unless otherwise posted, you can step out of your car parked on the edge of state land and go to shooting. Some things have changed over the years because of misuse like you cant purposely shoot a tree and you have to make sure your tossing real Clay Pigeons so they turn back to dirt. We ALWAYS make sure we take out what we bring in (like paper targets and pick up empties but there are some jerk wads that dont adhere to that decency. I know of LOTS of shooting spots where people have hauled in all kinds of stuff to shoot at and left it there = DISCUSTING IMHO.. Kind of stuff that ruins it for everyone in the long run. Usually there is at least 1 major clean up weekend where people get together and pickup after the loosers. Also, that land that belongs to we the people is OPEN CAMP! Deer season (and Duck, and Pheasant, and Rabbit now that I think about it) used to be HUGE here.. Schools would shut down as most Dads would drag their kids up north for a week or two of huntin and campin and romping and having fun.. Cause of Political nonsense those days are long gone BUT there still is the occasion camping happening cause there still is a few of us old people that enjoy it.. I know,, way to much again,, ohhh well,, hope I answered your question in all that mumbo jumbo