ventureblue Posted July 31, 2008 #1 Posted July 31, 2008 How many miles between oil changes should i go when using synthetics? I believe the manuel stetes 3000. but i have heard the synthetics can go longer. I DO NOT want to void the warrenty. Thanks in advance.
jlh3rd Posted July 31, 2008 #2 Posted July 31, 2008 since the manual doesn't differentiate between synthetic or dino....you would still, technically, be " voiding " the warranty by exceeding the 3,000 miles no matter what you use........ the advantage with synthetic is that it has a higher temp breakdown point , it maintains it's viscosity rating longer than dino oil......HOWEVER, it gets just as dirty as dino oil over equal amounts of mileage or time.......so....you could extend the interval, but i would still change the filter........ there are tons of articles on oil and tons of opinions.........i just tried to keep this response short..personally, i don't use synthetic in my water cooled venture...i did in my air cooled harley.
Bubber Posted July 31, 2008 #3 Posted July 31, 2008 I just got back from 2500 mile of very hot brutle weather out in the west and I thought the oil was looking dirty, plus I had a drip from the oil plug, Well I dropped the plug and while I was determining the cause of the drip (loose plug) I just decided to change the oil and filter. Maybe didn't need to at 2500 miles but it seemed like the safe thing to do. I have read article on oil and in CARS changing oil at 3000 miles like a lot of guys do is a toatal waste of the oil and money. Now that I have said that "Just try to convince somebody of that if they have their mind made up". SO there you go. Just an opinion! Like they say opinions are like a$$holes every buddy has one. Take it for what it is worth....... 2 cents! Do what feels right for you and what you can afford. Steve
2WHEELSFORME Posted July 31, 2008 #4 Posted July 31, 2008 Are you sure about that 3000 miles requirement. This ( http://www.starmotorcycles.com/assets/service/manuals/2005/LIT-11626-18-37_983.pdf ) says 8K and syns should extend even that. I use a blend because I got it cheep on sale and go around 5K, longer if a lot of highway miles. I don't think any Dealer will ask you how long you go between changes to try and void your warrenty.
V7Goose Posted July 31, 2008 #5 Posted July 31, 2008 Are you sure about that 3000 miles requirement. This ( http://www.starmotorcycles.com/assets/service/manuals/2005/LIT-11626-18-37_983.pdf ) says 8K and syns should extend even that. I use a blend because I got it cheep on sale and go around 5K, longer if a lot of highway miles. I don't think any Dealer will ask you how long you go between changes to try and void your warrenty. Not sure what you are looking at, but the ACTUAL specified oil change interval for the RSV is 4,000 miles. The FILTER interval is 8,000, but the oil is 4,000. Goose
ventureblue Posted July 31, 2008 Author #6 Posted July 31, 2008 Not sure what you are looking at, but the ACTUAL specified oil change interval for the RSV is 4,000 miles. The FILTER interval is 8,000, but the oil is 4,000. Goose I see 4000 also. I too believe that anything other than what the manual states would be a void of warrenty.
2WHEELSFORME Posted July 31, 2008 #7 Posted July 31, 2008 (edited) Yep looked again and I see 4k also. Confused it with my VTX which does list 8K intervals. I wonder why oil last longer in a Honda than a Yamaha? Does anyone really think you have to prove you changed oil at the correct mileage to get warrenty work done on your bike. Mine has been in twice and they never said a word about my maint. I believe the only way to void a warrenty is if you install an aftermarket part that causes a factory part to fail. And then it would only be for that part. Edited July 31, 2008 by 2WHEELSFORME
V7Goose Posted July 31, 2008 #8 Posted July 31, 2008 Yep looked again and I see 4k also. Confused it with my VTX which does list 8K intervals. I wonder why oil last longer in a Honda than a Yamaha? Does anyone really think you have to prove you changed oil at the correct mileage to get warrenty work done on your bike. Mine has been in twice and they never said a word about my maint. I believe the only way to void a warrenty is if you install an aftermarket part that causes a factory part to fail. And then it would only be for that part. Under almost any situation, it will never be an issue with a warranty claim. On the slight chance that your claim seems to be oil related (destroyed main bearings, scuffed pistons, scored piston walls, etc.), then the vendor could possibly ask you to show evidence you followed required maintenance (both schedule and quality of products/parts). This is a little dicey for them, since US law requires them to show that something you specifically did or did not do caused the damage before they can refuse to honor the warranty (Magnuson Moss Warranty Act). But to be completely safe, you might want to save receipts or other evidence that you purchased the required stuff. Goose
Redneck Posted July 31, 2008 #9 Posted July 31, 2008 Yep looked again and I see 4k also. Confused it with my VTX which does list 8K intervals. I wonder why oil last longer in a Honda than a Yamaha? Does anyone really think you have to prove you changed oil at the correct mileage to get warrenty work done on your bike. Mine has been in twice and they never said a word about my maint. I believe the only way to void a warrenty is if you install an aftermarket part that causes a factory part to fail. And then it would only be for that part.If you have a failure they believe was caused by poor maintenance they would ask for maintenance records and receipts.
KiteSquid Posted July 31, 2008 #10 Posted July 31, 2008 Are you sure about that 3000 miles requirement. This ( http://www.starmotorcycles.com/assets/service/manuals/2005/LIT-11626-18-37_983.pdf ) says 8K and syns should extend even that. I use a blend because I got it cheep on sale and go around 5K, longer if a lot of highway miles. I don't think any Dealer will ask you how long you go between changes to try and void your warrenty. on page 7-6 it says 4K miles or 6 months which ever comes first for the oil and 8K miles or 12 months which ever comes first for the filter. Personally I change both at 4K Miles.
David Strnage Posted July 31, 2008 #11 Posted July 31, 2008 Guys in the owners manual that is on this site in the Tech section, has on page 7-4 to change the oil at 600, 8000 and 16000 and the filter as well. There is a note that says see page 9-1 for the type and it says nothing of Synthetic. That being said, I will change my oil and filter at 4000 miles. David
Albino Rhino Posted July 31, 2008 #12 Posted July 31, 2008 How many miles between oil changes should i go when using synthetics? I believe the manuel stetes 3000. but i have heard the synthetics can go longer. I DO NOT want to void the warrenty. Thanks in advance. I've put 100k+ miles on the Venture; 100k using Amsoil synthetic 10W-40, changing oil and filter every 8k.
2WHEELSFORME Posted July 31, 2008 #13 Posted July 31, 2008 If you have a failure they believe was caused by poor maintenance they would ask for maintenance records and receipts. I disagree. You do not have to prove you did the maint. They have to prove you did not do it!
Jethroish Posted July 31, 2008 #14 Posted July 31, 2008 Just my 2 bits, but... In my diesel pickup, I change every 6000 miles, using a syn. blend. I have the oil analyzed and the lab has told me that I could easily go 8000 miles between changes. There are many opinions on this topic. Ultimately, you do what you feel is best for your bike and/or warranty and/or pocketbook
Guest fortyfourspecial Posted July 31, 2008 #15 Posted July 31, 2008 I've put 100k+ miles on the Venture; 100k using Amsoil synthetic 10W-40, changing oil and filter every 8k. Yep you can't go wrong with Synthetic. I for one was hesitent on going a Hundred thousand before changing. But I did. :I went 400 thousand on 4 oil changes. (that was in my Ford Ranger) with a By Pass Kit. Still runs good. Never used any oil Don
V7Goose Posted July 31, 2008 #16 Posted July 31, 2008 Guys in the owners manual that is on this site in the Tech section, has on page 7-4 to change the oil at 600, 8000 and 16000 and the filter as well. There is a note that says see page 9-1 for the type and it says nothing of Synthetic. That being said, I will change my oil and filter at 4000 miles. David OK all, let's get this straight. I went out to Yamaha's Star site and checked the owners manuals for EVERY year of the Royal Star Venture for specified oil change interval - the results are a little surprising. 1999 - the manual is not on line, so I could not verify 2000 - 2003: engine oil change interval 8,000 2004 - 2008: engine oil change interval 4,000 I have absolutely no idea why Yamahaha changed the oil change interval from 8,000 miles to 4,000 miles for the 2004 model year and later, but they did. Perhaps they were just correcting a typo in the manual? But they did not produce a second edition of the manual, if that was the case. Anyway, that is why we have confusion over the number - it depends on which owner's manual you are looking at! And the manual does not state what year it is for. The only way to tell is to look at the copyright page for the date - the year shown there will be one year EARLIER than the model year for which the manual applies. For example, the manual that shows April, 2002 is for the 2003 model year. Goose
ventureblue Posted August 1, 2008 Author #17 Posted August 1, 2008 Now that is Goofed up. You mean to tell me that Yamaha Did a magical oil act and when they did the engine that was able to go 8000 miles between changes now can only go 4000. And whats up with the filter? if the oil cant last but only for 4000 what makes the filter so different? I think The Yama heads were looking for a way to make more on service consesions. :soapbox: just my opinion:Venture:
Albino Rhino Posted August 1, 2008 #18 Posted August 1, 2008 Yep you can't go wrong with Synthetic. I for one was hesitent on going a Hundred thousand before changing. But I did. :I went 400 thousand on 4 oil changes. (that was in my Ford Ranger) with a By Pass Kit. Still runs good. Never used any oil Don Yep, filtration in conjunction with good oil is the key. However, I couldn't find a place for a bypass kit on the Venture.
Bummer Posted August 1, 2008 #19 Posted August 1, 2008 Perhaps they were just correcting a typo in the manual? Who's ever heard of a typo in a Yamaha manual? Hey, who scribbled notes all over the carb sync instructions?!
wild hair 39 Posted August 1, 2008 #20 Posted August 1, 2008 guess i don't have to worrie about warranty,on my bikes,so i'm running 8-10000 mls,depinds on where i am,beween oil changes,the vr used about 1/2 qt,the voy,hasn't used any yet,shell 5w 40 syn
David Strnage Posted August 1, 2008 #21 Posted August 1, 2008 THanks for looking that up Goose, I didn't even think of looking in the manual that came with my 08. David
boatwg Posted August 10, 2008 #22 Posted August 10, 2008 Just FYI.... I read a report out of California by a group of physics professors that did a study between standard oil and synthetic oil. The oil manufacturers names were mentioned but the only one I can remember is the synthetic, "Mobile One". The report showed about 80% breakdown in the viscosity at only 800 miles. The synthetic showed only about 40% breakdown at 800 miles. Both reports are a shocker to me. So with that information I use synthetic 10w40 and change between 4000 and 6000 miles. Hard riding like mountains in the summer... I think should be sooner. 2 cents worth.. use at will..
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