YoungWayne Posted August 18, 2021 #1 Posted August 18, 2021 The manual doesn't make it clear, and I tried using a wrench to take it off, but it wouldn't budge. It also looks like I could use a screw to undo it? I also have the oil filter housing pictured, the big silver thing at the top of the picture. Just wondering if that's how I drain the oil, I sprayed it with some penetrating lubricant hopefully it will come off.
SpencerPJ Posted August 18, 2021 #2 Posted August 18, 2021 (edited) Yes. that's the plug, not sure what the screw does, I just take the whole plug out. Edited August 18, 2021 by SpencerPJ 1
saddlebum Posted August 18, 2021 #3 Posted August 18, 2021 There is also a screw at the bottom of the middle gear cover with a copper washer on it that will allow you to drain almost an extra 1/4 cup of oil if you remove it with the bike on the side stand. With regards to the main plug. try giving it a few solid raps up against the case with a hammer. This often helps to break it loose. Just don't drive right up through the case. 1
skydoc_17 Posted August 18, 2021 #4 Posted August 18, 2021 Because I have the "Luxury" of putting all of the bikes I work on, on a lift I can easily use a hand held "Impact Driver". This is the perfect place to use one. The Oil Filter Cover is another one. I don't usually sing the praises of Harbor Freight Tools, but you can pick up a hand held Impact Driver there for under $10.00. This is an excellent investment for anyone that has a motorcycle! It comes with an adapter that holds a Phillips and Flat Blade Screwdriver tips, and if you remove the adapter, you can put a 3/8 drive socket on it as well. Do yourself a favor and pick up one of these handy devices because "Plan B" is you wring off the bolt, and have to remove the oil pan to get the bolt out! Earl 1 1
luvmy40 Posted August 18, 2021 #5 Posted August 18, 2021 I have always had good luck just using a 24" cheater or breaker bar on the drain plug and oil filter bolt. 1 2
YoungWayne Posted August 19, 2021 Author #6 Posted August 19, 2021 19 hours ago, skydoc_17 said: Because I have the "Luxury" of putting all of the bikes I work on, on a lift I can easily use a hand held "Impact Driver". This is the perfect place to use one. The Oil Filter Cover is another one. I don't usually sing the praises of Harbor Freight Tools, but you can pick up a hand held Impact Driver there for under $10.00. This is an excellent investment for anyone that has a motorcycle! It comes with an adapter that holds a Phillips and Flat Blade Screwdriver tips, and if you remove the adapter, you can put a 3/8 drive socket on it as well. Do yourself a favor and pick up one of these handy devices because "Plan B" is you wring off the bolt, and have to remove the oil pan to get the bolt out! Earl Thank you everyone, and I might have to check that out it looks like something I could use a lot
YoungWayne Posted August 19, 2021 Author #7 Posted August 19, 2021 Removed the cylinder head covers, the gaskets on both looked like this photo, a bit cracked. Should I replace them?
Squidley Posted August 19, 2021 #8 Posted August 19, 2021 44 minutes ago, YoungWayne said: Removed the cylinder head covers, the gaskets on both looked like this photo, a bit cracked. Should I replace them? Yep, you already have them off and they look in rough shape. 2 1
YoungWayne Posted August 19, 2021 Author #9 Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Squidley said: Yep, you already have them off and they look in rough shape. Thank you! They're not sticking to the cover, will the new ones stick or should I use some RTV or other type of adhesive? Someone else in an older thread also recommended to change the breather hose when everything is off like I have it, is that something y'all recommend? Edited August 19, 2021 by YoungWayne
luvmy40 Posted August 19, 2021 #10 Posted August 19, 2021 Use some High Tack or Indian Head gasket sealer to stick them to the covers. I've never changed the breather hose, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good idea. 1
skydoc_17 Posted August 19, 2021 #11 Posted August 19, 2021 Hey Wayne, This doesn't work as well if you are in a "Rush" to get it done, but if you have the time, Clean the Valve Covers well, put a light coat of the blue RTV in the groove of the Valve Cover. Install the Gasket, then flip the Valve Cover over on a flat surface, (Table Top, piece of glass, etc.) and place a pretty good sized book on top of the Valve Cover and let it sit overnight. Because these covers are a bear to reinstall, I like knowing that the gasket is going to stay put while I fight the covers back on. Here's another tip, The Second Gen. Valve Cover Gaskets will fit the First Gen, Valve Covers! They are wider, and have a Horizontal Rib that makes them a better Valve Cover Gasket in my opinion. When installed, there will be a bit of rubber gasket sticking out from the Valve Cover/Cylinder Head Joint. If this bothers you Wayne, just trim it off with a razor blade. I don't use the First Gen. Valve Cover Gaskets on either of my Ventures any more. The Second Gen. ones seem to last much longer, and are easier to install. This is just my opinion Wayne. Good luck with this project! Earl 1 1
Squidley Posted August 20, 2021 #12 Posted August 20, 2021 4 hours ago, YoungWayne said: Thank you! They're not sticking to the cover, will the new ones stick or should I use some RTV or other type of adhesive? Someone else in an older thread also recommended to change the breather hose when everything is off like I have it, is that something y'all recommend? Use what Skydoc mentioned in his post. Works very well and thats how have installed the majority of the ones I've installed over the years. 1
saddlebum Posted August 20, 2021 #13 Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) The impact tool Skydoc mentions is a very useful tool to have on hand not just for the drain plug. I have one in my box at work, one in my mobile tool box and 2 in my home garage tool box. The second one of the two at home I welded on to it the handle I cut from a worn out adjustable wrench. It keeps it from twisting in my hand when I use it with a heavy mallet to break loose heavy bolts up to 5/8 " and have broken loose bolts a breaker bar would not budge. When putting the valve covers back on 1st check to be sure none of the rubber plugs that sit on top of the cams came out while removing the valve covers and be careful not to do the same as you put the valve covers back in place. I once discovered one in the bottom of an engine while replacing the clutch. Oil pressure can escape through the holes these plugs fill and they are held in place by little nubs molded into the underside of the valve cover. Edited August 20, 2021 by saddlebum 1
YoungWayne Posted August 20, 2021 Author #14 Posted August 20, 2021 18 hours ago, skydoc_17 said: Hey Wayne, This doesn't work as well if you are in a "Rush" to get it done, but if you have the time, Clean the Valve Covers well, put a light coat of the blue RTV in the groove of the Valve Cover. Install the Gasket, then flip the Valve Cover over on a flat surface, (Table Top, piece of glass, etc.) and place a pretty good sized book on top of the Valve Cover and let it sit overnight. Because these covers are a bear to reinstall, I like knowing that the gasket is going to stay put while I fight the covers back on. Here's another tip, The Second Gen. Valve Cover Gaskets will fit the First Gen, Valve Covers! They are wider, and have a Horizontal Rib that makes them a better Valve Cover Gasket in my opinion. When installed, there will be a bit of rubber gasket sticking out from the Valve Cover/Cylinder Head Joint. If this bothers you Wayne, just trim it off with a razor blade. I don't use the First Gen. Valve Cover Gaskets on either of my Ventures any more. The Second Gen. ones seem to last much longer, and are easier to install. This is just my opinion Wayne. Good luck with this project! Earl Thank you, I already purchased two gaskets for $22 a piece on ebay, I had heard about the second gen being a better fit, but I wasn't sure what second gen was, are those newer than '93? I'll try out what you said with the book, it was a pain just trying to get it in place with the gaskets coming off, especially since there was a hose blocking the way of the front one. 1
Squidley Posted August 20, 2021 #15 Posted August 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, YoungWayne said: I had heard about the second gen being a better fit, but I wasn't sure what second gen was, are those newer than '93? The 2nd Gen Ventures are generally considered to be the '99 to 2014 Royal Star Ventures or RSV's as we call them here on the site. There was a design predecessor that started in 1996, but those were not designated as the Venture. They had the same basic engine design, but not everything was a direct fit to the later RSV's. 1
Pasta Burner Posted August 22, 2021 #16 Posted August 22, 2021 Where did you get the gaskets @YoungWayne you say eBay, have a link? I’ve had three orders of OEM Japanese gaskets cancelled on me this past year all citing Covid related issues.
YoungWayne Posted August 23, 2021 Author #17 Posted August 23, 2021 I had to buy them through two different sellers, and it looks like I bought both of the last ones. Hopefully the quality is good they won't be here for a week But this one seems to be a legit seller.
luvmy40 Posted August 23, 2021 #18 Posted August 23, 2021 https://www.partzilla.com/product/yamaha/4NK-11193-00-00?ref=b26513a930b3340d399e16ee6caeef1479c21bb0 The above link is to OEM Yamaha, Gen 2 valve cover gaskets. Hopefully the ones you ordered are not chinese made. If so, they WILL leak. Ask me how I know. 1
YoungWayne Posted August 24, 2021 Author #19 Posted August 24, 2021 On 8/23/2021 at 6:09 AM, luvmy40 said: https://www.partzilla.com/product/yamaha/4NK-11193-00-00?ref=b26513a930b3340d399e16ee6caeef1479c21bb0 The above link is to OEM Yamaha, Gen 2 valve cover gaskets. Hopefully the ones you ordered are not chinese made. If so, they WILL leak. Ask me how I know. Something tells me that they are.... Maybe I should just return them right away. Any way to tell if they're good quality before I install them? Probably difficult to figure out
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