What happened after my Vaccine dose

[BlueSky]

Almost all, if not all, medicines have side effects that don't appear to affect some but do others and there is always the possibility of the dose you get not being exactly what it's supposed to be, poor quality control.  Being an old coot now, I'm taking meds that I didn't used to take.  I research the drugs to determine the known side effects, and if I experience them I decide whether to continue taking that drug.  One of my tongue in cheek sayings that I have come up with is, "There are a lot of powerful drugs today that can extend your life but sometimes the side effects are so bad you wish you were dead."  Ha! 

[saddlebum]

18 hours ago, larrydr said:

I do know that if your knees don't work , there is a lot you can not do not most or 1/2 of  time ...Drug interaction is something all doctors should be aware of when adding a new perscription to the mix ... I Spent 20 days in hospital in 1996  because of a drug interaction no one would talk about ..They had to stop all medications for 4 days  then restart the long term medication   ....The specialist the at H.S.C hospital in Winnipeg explained that anyone on a long perscribed drug is often in danger when adding  another or new drug ....ON my last new perscription the doctor said  you are under 65 and so then this should work ...I said no I am 74 ...The look on the doctors face  said it all before a silence and a different perscription    ...Looks like you and I have both been through a couple of things   Be Well..

You as well

[RDawson]

We’ll I’m gonna have to do it. City just informed us we either take the needle or wear a mask at all times in the station. Nothing like a group of Alpha male firefighters running around with masks and whining like school girls. 

[circa1968]

2 hours ago, RDawson said:

We’ll I’m gonna have to do it. City just informed us we either take the needle or wear a mask at all times in the station. Nothing like a group of Alpha male firefighters running around with masks and whining like school girls. 

I hope it all goes well for you.  Its one thing to make the choice and accept any risks without coercion, but to be forced....  At least they are giving you a choice to wear a mask instead. 

I asked my son what he would do if his college coach told him he had to get it or not be on the team.  He said he's not going to make it to the majors anyways, so he would quit and go find a rec league to play instead.  I was happy to hear that.

And now we are hearing about more & more "break through" cases and that the antibodies wane after a few months and booster shots are needed (at least according to Pfizer, who's making a nice profit on this).    There are just too damn many documented cases of short-term adverse reactions and we still don't know what, if any, long-term implications this messenger RNA therapy will have on our bodies. 

I'm 53 & hope to make 100 and I'm very careful about what goes into my body now, knowing that will play a key part in making that goal.  I will never forget sitting down with my Grandfather one day when he was 89.  He was reflecting on his life and telling me stories about his life experiences.  I was ~30 at the time and was not even remotely thinking about my own mortality.   The one thing that stayed with me from that day is that life is good and there are no number of years of being alive that will ever be enough for me.  He made it to 92 and died of a broken heart, 6 months after my Grandmother (they were each other's first and only love in life).  I miss them both tremendously, they were pretty much dirt poor, but had a type of riches that most people try for, yet never achieve in life and I idolize them for that.

Sorry for the ramblings, we've just had our sense of reality, purpose and value in life so distorted and mangled over the last year+, that I sometimes need a simple reminder of what's really important to me

[rbig1]

well I had the mad-derna  first shot no problem.  second shot 5 day bad headache.   And now I'm fat😉

[RDawson]

11 minutes ago, rbig1 said:

well I had the mad-derna  first shot no problem.  second shot 5 day bad headache.   And now I'm fat😉

I got my first Maderna shot today. I like the last part, I’ll claim the city made me fat by forcing the shots on me. Think I’ll get a settlement? 🤣🤣🤣

[larrydr]

Talked to someone on July 20 and he had a severe rash down his down to stomach and blister about 6 inches by 16 inches and it was turning into a infection  ...I know someone who cold not walk for 1 week and 3 weeks in hospital with high fever ...there at least 8 cases here from the last 2 weeks ..Many people are asking for answers  ..Doctors are quiet  and don't want to say anything..I cannot see them hiding the information a interactions and side affects .In one case the side affect itself was as bad or worse than Covid could ever get to be ..We are a small city 12500 people and the news of this side affect is spreading like a wild fire ...

[saddlebum]

8 hours ago, larrydr said:

Talked to someone on July 20 and he had a severe rash down his down to stomach and blister about 6 inches by 16 inches and it was turning into a infection  ...I know someone who cold not walk for 1 week and 3 weeks in hospital with high fever ...there at least 8 cases here from the last 2 weeks ..Many people are asking for answers  ..Doctors are quiet  and don't want to say anything..I cannot see them hiding the information a interactions and side affects .In one case the side affect itself was as bad or worse than Covid could ever get to be ..We are a small city 12500 people and the news of this side affect is spreading like a wild fire ...

My first shot was the Phizer no issue and then I had Madonna the second time still no issues.

As a matter of fact the only time in my life I had a drug side effect was when they put me on a portable IV antibiotic to treat a severe infection and cellulitis. My whole upper body broke into a rash and I itched like I spent the night in a bed of poison Ivy and this is not an uncommon reaction to antibiotics yet no one makes an issue of it.

Other than My wife who had muscle aches for 24 hrs after the 1st phizer shot and no reaction to her second phizer shot no one else in my familly or among the people I know had any severe reaction to any of the shots. the most common complaint was they felt like someone punched them in the shoulder. Also even among those with the worst side effects most pretty much survive it with no ill effects. Covid has a far far greater chance of being terminal. A Nurse I knew who worked in the covid ward told me during the time of the astrazonaca issue with the lethal side effects to younger women there were even more women in her ward 20% of that age group who contracted covid got the same or worse afflictions.

Edited July 28, 2021 by saddlebum

[RDawson]

My wife’s shoulder was extremely sore for a couple days, mine is barely sore at all. I was run down all day but I don’t know if it’s the shot or the heat. I’ve been out in it last few days. 

[bpate4home]

On 7/27/2021 at 12:37 AM, circa1968 said:

I'm 53 & hope to make 100 and I'm very careful about what goes into my body now, knowing that will play a key part in making that goal.  

@circa1968 I'm 55 and I tell everyone I'm going to live to be 149 and shot by a jealous husband in the back as I'm running away. My better half of 36 years is 58 and says that's OK she'll be dead LOL.

As far as your Grandparents longevity - that's awesome. We always hear how 50% of all marriages go bust but we need to remember that many who get divorced or separate do so more than once. One of my sisters - 4 times. This changes this skewed media statement. I did the math once and it came out to be 81 percent of all 'people' marry once and stay married. Marriage is truly and institution of love today as much as it ever has been, regardless of what some might say.  

 

 

[saddlebum]

I guess at the end of the day you got to play the odds and determine which is the lesser of two evils. For me the shot and risking possible side effects is the safer bet over the risk of getting covid and risking possible death. When seat belt laws first came out we all heard similar arguments such as " if I had worn a seat belt I would be dead right now" or the biker who will claim if he ad worn a helmet he would have had a broken neck and not survived the crash, yet we all know that more often than not helmets and seat belts save lives more often than the cause the loss of lives.

My sister and brother in law who spent a month and a half on a respirator then two weeks on a stomach tube because they temporarily lost the ability to swallow without choking on their food due the respirator and survived by the skin of their teeth , will tell you, and made it a point of contacting their friends and family once they were able, to take the chance, and get the shot even going through the side effects, which in most cases a survivable couldn't possible be as bad as what they went through with covid and thank god they are still alive.

Edited July 28, 2021 by saddlebum

[RDawson]

24 minutes ago, saddlebum said:

I guess at the end of the day you got to play the odds and determine which is the lesser of two evils. For me the shot and risking possible side effects is the safer bet over the risk of getting covid and risking possible death. When seat belt laws first came out we all heard similar arguments such as " if I had worn a seat belt I would be dead right now" or the biker who will claim if he ad worn a helmet he would have had a broken neck and not survived the crash, yet we all know that more often than not helmets and seat belts save lives more often than the cause the loss of lives.

My sister and brother in law who spent a month and a half on a respirator then two weeks on a stomach tube because they temporarily lost the ability to swallow without choking on their food due the respirator and survived by the skin of their teeth , will tell you, and made it a point of contacting their friends and family once they were able, to take the chance, and get the shot even going through the side effects, which in most cases a survivable couldn't possible be as bad as what they went through with covid and thank god they are still alive.

You nailed it Bum. At 51 with no known underlying health issues I feel completely comfortable taking the risk of a virus that has a 1.4% mortality rate here (I don’t know if that compares nationally). Of that 1.4% every case where I knew the person they all had serious health issues before Covid. To me it’s about the rights and government overreach. I made the choice to vaccinate only because wearing a mask in a firehouse is a royal pain. I really believe this latest mask push is designed to drive up vaccine rates, they won/I lost !*#%*

[circa1968]

23 minutes ago, RDawson said:

You nailed it Bum. At 51 with no known underlying health issues I feel completely comfortable taking the risk of a virus that has a 1.4% mortality rate here (I don’t know if that compares nationally). Of that 1.4% every case where I knew the person they all had serious health issues before Covid. To me it’s about the rights and government overreach. I made the choice to vaccinate only because wearing a mask in a firehouse is a royal pain. I really believe this latest mask push is designed to drive up vaccine rates, they won/I lost !*#%*

Agree.   I just looked at my county's covid dashboard & it matches your mortality rate @ 1.39% (of known cases) & 66% of those are with 1 or more known comorbidities.  They've taken the long-term care facility  data off the website, but it was tracking at right around 45% of all deaths in our county.  I live in a county of 1.9M people, so would say this is statistically significant data.

There are now known and proven therapuetics to treat covid, so as someone who is healthy, I too am comfortable taking the risk - and I know the risk is not zero.  I too do not like the government overreach here.  Like everyone else, when this first started I was freaked out.  But when political power and profits came into play, it definitely changed my perspective to be a bit more skeptical.  As Mark Twain said, there are 3 kinds of lies; lies, damn lies and statistics.  Oddly enough, our two top current politicians were talking down the vaccine just months ago because it came to be under someone they didn't like.  But now its all good?

[larrydr]

1 hour ago, saddlebum said:

My first shot was the Phizer no issue and then I had Madonna the second time still no issues.

As a matter of fact the only time in my life I had a drug side effect was when they put me on a portable IV antibiotic to treat a severe infection and cellulitis. My whole upper body broke into a rash and I itched like I spent the night in a bed of poison Ivy and this is not an uncommon reaction to antibiotics yet no one makes an issue of it.

Other than My wife who had muscle aches for 24 hrs after the 1st phizer shot and no reaction to her second phizer shot no one else in my familly or among the people I know had any severe reaction to any of the shots. the most common complaint was they felt like someone punched them in the shoulder. Also even among those with the worst side effects most pretty much survive it with no ill effects. Covid has a far far greater chance of being terminal. A Nurse I knew who worked in the covid ward told me during the time of the astrazonaca issue with the lethal side effects to younger women there were even more women in her ward 20% of that age group who contracted covid got the same or worse afflictions.

On my last visit to the doctor , was July 20 ...They starting to look into cases someone has been on long medication ....I has been on drug called Dilantin to help control muscle / seizures and stroke ...I fell 20 feet to concrete and ended up 5 sugerys on my head and years in rehab ...They now it is how Dilantin reacts to another med

[circa1968]

1 hour ago, saddlebum said:

I guess at the end of the day you got to play the odds and determine which is the lesser of two evils. For me the shot and risking possible side effects is the safer bet over the risk of getting covid and risking possible death. When seat belt laws first came out we all heard similar arguments such as " if I had worn a seat belt I would be dead right now" or the biker who will claim if he ad worn a helmet he would have had a broken neck and not survived the crash, yet we all know that more often than not helmets and seat belts save lives more often than the cause the loss of lives.

My sister and brother in law who spent a month and a half on a respirator then two weeks on a stomach tube because they temporarily lost the ability to swallow without choking on their food due the respirator and survived by the skin of their teeth , will tell you, and made it a point of contacting their friends and family once they were able, to take the chance, and get the shot even going through the side effects, which in most cases a survivable couldn't possible be as bad as what they went through with covid and thank god they are still alive.

Sorry to hear that Saddlebum but glad to hear they pulled through.  My sister  & brother in law, actually the whole family also tested positive and all but my brother in law pulled through quickly.  He did not end up in the hospital, but came close.  Incidentally, he is the only smoker in the family.  I've always wondered what the stats for smokers vs. non-smokers were.  I'm guessing much worse for smokers since its a respiratory issue, but we probably were not allowed to see that data as it would not fit the narrative.

[bpate4home]

2 minutes ago, circa1968 said:

Sorry to hear that Saddlebum but glad to hear they pulled through.  My sister  & brother in law, actually the whole family also tested positive and all but my brother in law pulled through quickly.  He did not end up in the hospital, but came close.  Incidentally, he is the only smoker in the family.  I've always wondered what the stats for smokers vs. non-smokers were.  I'm guessing much worse for smokers since its a respiratory issue, but we probably were not allowed to see that data as it would not fit the narrative.

Not fitting the Narrative is so true and the narrative is fear - on both sides of the coin. Before SARS-COV-2 (COVID 19) the fear narrative was pushed around the Flu every year but it would never really fly. The use of fear by governments and politicians is ridiculous. COVID gave them a foothold to push fear and control in the MSM. It gave the other side a fear to push against government overreach and control. It boils down to individual choice, you either have it and exercise it or you just don't have it. Many are being forced to take the vaccine under many circumstances and I personally feel that is wrong. Basically it's none of my business what anyone else chooses to do and I don't need to know one way or the other.  

[circa1968]

But none of this discussion should take away from the heartbreak and tragedy of those lost to this virus/disease that, by all accounts, should have never even existed in the first place.   If the world powers have not learned from this, then we are doomed as a species.

[bpate4home]

Agreed but we are not doomed. Gain of Function on virus', chemicals and weapons in general have been happening in humanity since the dawn of time. I read an article the other day Where the headline read 'France warned the US about Lab in 2015. Well needless to say it got my attention. After reading the Article is was clear that France got the US to fund (in large part) the building of the Wuhan Lab ~2009 and indicated they would have 50 of their scientists there to monitor, train and help the Chinese. Well the Scientists never left France and China blocked all access to the Lab. At this point it is time to HEAVILY sanction China and enforce those sanctions completely. 

[RDawson]

1 hour ago, larrydr said:

On my last visit to the doctor , was July 20 ...They starting to look into cases someone has been on long medication ....I has been on drug called Dilantin to help control muscle / seizures and stroke ...I fell 20 feet to concrete and ended up 5 sugerys on my head and years in rehab ...They now it is how Dilantin reacts to another med

I hope that means this is just a temporary setback and you’re on the way to good. 

[RDawson]

2 hours ago, saddlebum said:

When seat belt laws first came out we all heard similar arguments such as " if I had worn a seat belt I would be dead right now" or the biker who will claim if he ad worn a helmet he would have had a broken neck and not survived the crash, yet we all know that more often than not helmets and seat belts save lives more often than the cause the loss of lives.

GUILTY as charged. I had a rollover and ejected at 16, I suffered a broken back but without a doubt it would’ve been fatal had I stayed in the seat. The flip side of that is that I’ve cut a lot of people out of wrecks the last 20 years, I can name a few where a seatbelt did or would have saved lives and/or injuries.  The number of lives saved outnumber by far the lives cost. However I still believe it’s a personal choice. I consistently  wear a helmet, but on the way home from WNY last year I had to go without it due to heat sickness, glad I had the choice. 

[saddlebum]

Not to sway opinions one way or another but I remember as a kid, in the sixties we all had to take the smallpox/polio/TB vaccines. It was also required to be taken by anyone immigrating to Canada or the US as well as people travailing from one continent to another.  As a result these diseases were just about wiped out. Then in the eighties came the push against mandatory vaccinations, mostly by young mothers who thought they knew it all. As well quarantining and mandatory vaccinations for immigration were largely stopped. As a result  smallpox, polio and TB are starting to make a come back as well as a host of other viruses that once did not exist here but now do. I am not a big fan of government interference  either but where do you draw the line between individual freedoms and public safety? Unfortunately you can look at the whole picture from different angles combined with a mix of true facts and misinformation each and everyone of us can come up with a different perspective and still not know for sure whether each and everyone of holds the correct opinion. At the end of the day this boils down to a real conundrum and none of really knowing the true answer until its too late to do anything about it.

Edited July 28, 2021 by saddlebum

[bpate4home]

2 minutes ago, RDawson said:

GUILTY as charged. I had a rollover and ejected at 16, I suffered a broken back but without a doubt it would’ve been fatal had I stayed in the seat. The flip side of that is that I’ve cut a lot of people out of wrecks the last 20 years, I can name a few where a seatbelt did or would have saved lives and/or injuries.  The number of lives saved outnumber by far the lives cost. However I still believe it’s a personal choice. I consistently  wear a helmet, but on the way home from WNY last year I had to go without it due to heat sickness, glad I had the choice. 

My Son and Daughter (in  law) were in an accident early this year. If it weren't for the seat belt and the car in general (crumple zones etc) it would've been a lot worse. As it is she was released that night.  Went back into the ER 2 days later and was admitted. ER DR said 2 tours in the middle east and 20 years as an ER DR and he has never seem such bad seat belt injuries on someone who lived. 

[bpate4home]

4 minutes ago, saddlebum said:

Not to sway opinions one way or another but I remember as a kid in the sixties we all had to take the smallpox/polio/TB vaccines. It was also required to be taken by anyone immigrating to Canada or the US as well as people travailing from one continent to another.  As a result these diseases were just about wiped out. Then in the eighties came the push against mandatory vaccinations, mostly by young mothers who thought they knew it all. As well quarantining and mandatory vaccinations for immigration were largely stopped. As a result a smallpox, polio and TB are starting to make a come back as well as a host of other viruses that once did not exist here but now do. I am not a big fan of government interference  either but where do you draw the line between individual freedoms and public safety? Unfortunately you can look at the whole picture from different angles combined with a mix of true facts and misinformation each and everyone of us can come up with a different perspective and still not know for sure whether each and everyone of holds the correct opinion. At the end of the day this boils down to a real conundrum and none of really knowing the true answer until its too late to do anything about it.

Here's my issue - RNA or mRNA vaccines are primarily synthetic and have not been fully approved by the CDC.  They have been provisionally approved. Why have they not been fully approved has a lot of speculation but a veterinarian friend said that they have a lot of adverse effects in animals. This should be a major concern. We are showing proof now that the current vaccinations do not stop the spread. They are being called 'break through cases'. These numbers are being kept from the general public and when they are released we are told they are too minor to consider. This means the medical and scientific communities have been given an opportunity to conduct human trials in the guise of a virus that can have a serious affect on very few. Evidence clearly favor that the drastic effects on some are because they also have additional underlying conditions. This was noted in a CDC memo released last year stating that 6% of the deaths related to COVID were COVID only and the other 94% had underlying or other conditions. This memo was shoved under the rug to keep the fear narrative going. Even more so in the US it was shoved under the rug for political purposes. The scary part of some publications (which I really don't believe) is that it (the Virus) was developed to attack specific DNA type individuals. If this is true and can be done then our fear should be of something completely different. 

[saddlebum]

I guess There is a probability  that there will always be someone or someones that crave the power to remake the human race into their version of the perfect race. Hitler attempted it through a human breeding program and I am sure he is not the only. I believe arranged marriages as well as for joining preferred family ties for wealth or power may also have to do with maintaining or improving the family bloodline. Many tribes on both continents often turned captured slaves into tribal members after a time in order to improve their blood lines. So nasty at it sounds I think this is something will always be one way or another. But viral research also has another nasty side and that is war fare and I do not put it past any power to dabble in this field even though the idea of it has been banned world wide, but then that all is only on paper agreements are always broken. At the same time someone will always come up with some theory as to why something happened just to scare the pants off us.

[bpate4home]

Man, after reading all this I think I need to watch 'V is for Vendetta' again.