Victory Cruise Control

[djh3]

Engineers, what a pain in the @$$ I dunno who designed where to put the unit on the Victory Cross bikes but he needs to be shot. If you think the RSV bikes were odd. The Victory mounts the module in the frame by the shock. So to change the dang thing it looks like I'm going to have to remove the push rod and possibley the shock, just to get at the dang thing. Probably 8+ hours of work. Argh At least my troubleshooting skills did get it correct and it is the module.

[saddlebum]

3 hours ago, djh3 said:

Engineers, what a pain in the @$$ I dunno who designed where to put the unit on the Victory Cross bikes but he needs to be shot. If you think the RSV bikes were odd. The Victory mounts the module in the frame by the shock. So to change the dang thing it looks like I'm going to have to remove the push rod and possibley the shock, just to get at the dang thing. Probably 8+ hours of work. Argh At least my troubleshooting skills did get it correct and it is the module.

I have always been of the opinion that I would like to shake their hand. To screw up some of the things as bad as what I have seen over the years had to take some serious planning. No way could  some of these screw ups happen by accident.

Edited June 27, 2021 by saddlebum

[larrydr]

Over the years working on motorcycles with nasty electrical problems have seen many things that would  cause any mechanic to shake his head ..and say why did they do this ... I have seen wires come from a connector one color and run down the harness and about 3/4 way near the end of the harness do a u-turn and after the u-turn change colors and head back where the other color where the wire came from and then splice into another wire and head back down the harness  ....And of course the wire diagram from the manufacturer not showing the splice and marking it as a different color .

[saddlebum]

I have seen times when we finally figured out a way to work around a nasty piece of engineering only to have them redesign it and toss in a new stumbling block......I swear they do this on purpose and then sit back and snicker at us. 

[djh3]

Well was about 4 hours or so. But man they have it jammed in by the shock and you have to disassemble the unit from the bracket and take it all out separate. But that is after jacking the bike up and taking apart the push rod and shock and rocker. But its mostly back together. I just got plain hot with 100 heat index and only have tank and seat to put on. High point was the tank only has about a gallon of gas in it. That has to be a first.

[Pasta Burner]

Glad you got it figured out.  I’ve long been under the suspicion that automotive design engineers are intentionally challenged by management to make the vehicle as least maintainable by the common owner to encourage return work to the dealer.  For instance Ford had no other reason to put the transmission fill plug and dipstick less than a hands width from the exhaust pipe.  Although as we’ve mentioned before, try getting a dealer to work on something over five years old.

[djh3]

Yes At work we have discovered Dodge has managed to circumvent the rules to OBD2 and have something called a "secure gateway module". It will not allow a generic scan tool to connect even to the basic engine controls as was the law when OBD2 came out. So now you have to buy an adapter, find the friggin module as they do not put it in the same place on any 2 vehicles and basically jumper it. 

[AGrengs]

52 minutes ago, djh3 said:

Yes At work we have discovered Dodge has managed to circumvent the rules to OBD2 and have something called a "secure gateway module". It will not allow a generic scan tool to connect even to the basic engine controls as was the law when OBD2 came out. So now you have to buy an adapter, find the friggin module as they do not put it in the same place on any 2 vehicles and basically jumper it. 

Fiats always did suck to work on.