New Poll for all MK1, MK2, RSTD, RSV and Gen-1 V-Max Owners..

[cowpuc]

BEEN A WHILE, time for another fun VR MC Club Poll!! Multiple choice!!! Complete as many as apply to you please!! THANK YOU for your participation!!

 

PS!!! The last Poll option that reads "I have never heard of a 1200 or 1300cc Yamaha" should read ""I have never heard of a 1200 or 1300cc Yamaha V-4 having any issues with any of 1 thru 7 above".. Please respond accordingly! My bad!!!

Edited May 9, 2020 by cowpuc

[Bubber]

Are you having a "Do Over"?

 

What is a 1200 anyway. Did they have those when Fred and Barney were still around?

Glad I could help.

Bubber

[cowpuc]

Are you having a "Do Over"?

 

What is a 1200 anyway. Did they have those when Fred and Barney were still around?

Glad I could help.

Bubber

Is a do over like a sleep over ? If so, here in Michigan they are highly illegal

 

Bubber,, all the MK1 Ventures and the 1st Gen V-Maxes all the way up to end of their production were 1200's ... Not sure I ever met Fred and Barney,, were they VR members from your area a while back,,,may have heard of them attending the pig in the pine?

 

By the way,, the MK1 1200cc Ventures were the fastest and most comfortable to ride Ventures ever made.. Next fastest was the MK2 1300cc, then the RSV 1300cc and the slowest is the Gen 3, 113inch/1850cc V-Twin Venture currently offered.. I know,, I know,, shake your head and call me crazy, makes no sense,, seems backwards - especially if you dont by into the idea that HP matters like some of the lop eared varmints around here..

[Bubber]

You know Fred and Barney they must have been your neighbors back then. They had a big pet named Dino.

The vehicle they had only had two wheels (ya had to push that one too) so I just thought it must have been one of those mock one thingys.

 

I don't remember any Fred and Barney coming to the Pork in the Pines, to late now it ain't no more, the last one was the year before last.

We laughed, we sang, we told lies, enjoyed life, we even had a little something to eat. Like a pig.

I hope your poll goes good for all those lop eared rabbits or what ever you called them. They must be the only ones left that have those mock one thingys.

I think most guys ride something made in this century.

Well good luck and god bless all.

 

May the wind always be at your back and you never run out of gas

Bubber

 

 

[cowpuc]

@Patch

Are we not forgetting the basics?

Step one, check lash

Step two check compression

Step two might just point to step one so reverse the order to assume to know step one!

What good is syncing carbs if you do not know the condition of the engine you are trying to sync?

 

Just sayin

 

Just for exchange of information:

If you know the bench marks are equal then you could sync with a drill bit as a feller gauge!

that you checked lash just 5K ago is good!

But don't sell compression short it is what we count on

The fact

 

ahhhh,, not necessarily so IMHO.. Thinking back in history of my times spent furiously CTFW on these 1st Gens I can count on a hand with no fingers how many times I have pulled the covers and checked/set the lash on one of my V-4's,,, translated Frenchy - means in well over 1 million miles ridden aboard 6 1st Gen MK1's I have never,, not even once,, opened one up and even checked the valve lash.. On the other side of the coin though,, because the quad carb bank is mechanically linked (easy to lose sync) and knowing how easy it is to sync them up (20 minutes max) I always checked sync at oil changes when home,, usually ends up being at least a dozen times a year. Same with checking compression,, I only do/use that when I am seeing something happening that I dont like and I wonder if it involves a compression issue.. That said,, I can only think of one time that I did a compression check on one of my V-4's - yep,, these V-4's have been that reliable/durable in my situation..

 

Non of that makes it the correct procedure!

Calling me Frenchy aint going to get me to duck neither!

Not checking compression is a well proven NONO!

Much OLDER Brother!

 

makes more sense then pulling the top of the motor all apart everytime you wanna do a simple syncing of the carbs little french brother of mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rasberry:

 

I'm kind of on the same page as Cowpuc on the compression issue. Having owned an '83, 88, 89, two 99's and an '05, I have NEVER had a compression issue on these bikes. Can it happen? Sure it can. If you are having some major issues then of course it would be worth checking. Everybody knows that compression is very important but it's such a rare problem on these bikes that it is certainly not the first thing I would recommend checking. Like Put, I have always checked my carb sync a couple times a year. Usually doesn't need much tweaking if any but it literally takes about 10 minutes to check them.

 

For the record: I don't disagree with just syncing the carbs providing you know and understand what the differences are and why you can't achieve a cure-all thru just a sync.

In fact I know that syncing is in and of itself a solid learning experience. But it is simply a step in the process of maintaining a sports machine.

As for compression testing a sports unit that sits for long periods, well on that I cannot be persuaded.

 

We often think we don't want to know the results when all they really are is a measure of existing condition. Stuck rings a perfect example, get them early and no problem. Above high limit is another example. These are common issues on these 4's and almost all engines.

They are discovered thru compression checks. Another can be valves not seating tight.

 

It has been part of the sport ever since I've been in it and beyond

 

See little brother,, there ya go again,, making another claim I simply do not subscribe to... Have I ever dealt with a stuck ring,, of course, but never ever in one of my V-4's - no common issue there IMHO. Have I ever experienced rings gone to high limit or had valve lash gone tight, dozens of times but again,, never ever on one of my V-4's - no common issue there IMHO. Frankly,, this is one of the reasons I chose and have ridden the V-4 Venture as my CTFW cross country family go-to bike since 1987.. Besides never needing to spend more than a grand for one (less than 1/2 that for a couple just cause they were already missing 2nd gear) and getting well over 200,000 miles out of that thousand dollars coupled with the durability of these machines has just been amazing!!

IMHO,,, most of the sync jobs on these V-4's end up being just that,, a simple sync job (because they do go out of sync due to the mechanical nature of the carb linkages).. My advice,, pick up a set of vacuum gauges or a Carb Tune or make a set of Manometers (used to have and used a mercury sticks but those days are longgg gone) or what ever and learn to just do a simple sync job.. Your scoot will love you for it!!

 

,, you ever make a Poll little brother? Its kinda fun!! You should make a Club Poll asking how many of these lop eared Yamaha V-4 riding VR club varmints have experienced stuck rings or worn out to high limit rings or valve lash gone tight (If I had to bet money, I would bet that the valve lash going tight will have wayyyy more positive votes than the ring wear as, even though I have never needed to do one in any of my bikes, I have read of numerous occasions of varmints setting their valves) just to see exactly how accurate your claim above is!! Unless your skeered too:witch_brew: :rasberry:

 

PUC YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING RIGHT?

High limit is carbon related, rings go the other way towards low limits. Now I know that the Yam's have very good components so ware is extended or say duty cycles, no argument there.

Every single valve stretches, over duty periods, so they get tight, lash lost.

Stuck rings are in every engine that has sat for long periods, some free themselves, others buried in carbon won't. And I have first hand experience on such with these fours

Write Mikuni, express your experience and disagreements with and regarding Venture engines.

Makes no difference how many times you add incorrect procedures, they still add to the same unknowns!

Now get your sneakers ready and catch over at Mama Cafe soonish

 

PS. Freebird, nice to see you engage again

 

Noooo,, not kidding at all!! You take that Poll yet? Dont make me do it little brother,, you know how that will turn out!!

 

Last call on doing the Poll little brother.. If you dont do it I am going to!! I aint scared!

 

 

 

""These are common issues on these 4's"",,

 

[/color @Patch ,, what did you think of these poll results? Interesting?

[Patch]

I can see with certainty now that you should of been a politician, shaping the answers within the questions.

The format is well done tho!

Little Brother is still ahead

[cowpuc]

I can see with certainty now that you should of been a politician, shaping the answers within the questions.

The format is well done tho!

Little Brother is still ahead

 

I shaped the answers within the questions to match perfectly with what my little brother stated.. Please reread your comments that I shaped from and reread the questions I posted in the polls.. Then rewrite my questions to your satisfaction and repost the poll to see if you can substantiate that stuck rings, bad valves and such causing comprimised compression really is a common issue with our V-4's as you stated

'

OR, surrender your cause little brother

[luvmy40]

As a matter of fact, the only compression issue I've had with any Yamaha has been that my '83 XVZ12TK had higher than spec compression across the board and she still runs circles around all the local Wings and Hawgs.

[Patch]

I remember well the thread Luv and the issues!

 

OK Puc I will address your request but not thru a Pole tho! As I see it as a reassurance in denial of proper approach towards troubleshooting a sports machine.

I will because I know and am willing to share my experience as clearly as my English permits and; due to the fact that I am getting older tho I have not as yet forgotten as much as YOU have I certainly will soon enough.

Expect a TROUBLE SHOOTING DOCUMENT posted in my

CASE FOR FOGGING thread!

I will commence working on that soon and get it done!

The experience will be of my general background and not model specific, the sub forums can handle that much better.

Happy Now ?

Is the print Big enough for you Much Older Brother of mine?

[cowpuc]

I remember well the thread Luv and the issues!

 

OK Puc I will address your request but not thru a Pole tho! As I see it as a reassurance in denial of proper approach towards troubleshooting a sports machine.

I will because I know and am willing to share my experience as clearly as my English permits and; due to the fact that I am getting older tho I have not as yet forgotten as much as YOU have I certainly will soon enough.

Expect a TROUBLE SHOOTING DOCUMENT posted in my

CASE FOR FOGGING thread!

I will commence working on that soon and get it done!

The experience will be of my general background and not model specific, the sub forums can handle that much better.

Happy Now ?

Is the print Big enough for you Much Older Brother of mine?

 

Ahhh,, that wont work little brother,, that solves nothing concerning your debate defense of your statement that says:

 

""Stuck rings a perfect example, get them early and no problem. Above high limit is another example. These are common issues on these 4's .

They are discovered thru compression checks. Another can be valves not seating tight.""

 

Tell you what,,, you surrender your position on the above to your big brother and then we can, if you choose, move to another/different platform where I will be more than happy to teach you some more of the things you obviously have no clue about yet:big-grin-emoticon:

 

As in all problem solving and in the spirit of The Code that states "take problem solving one step at a time lest your solution equation becomes soggy with mistakes often made but the unskilled" - lets solve this one first..

[Patch]

Well Puc?

Two examples that are found thru ​COMPRESSION TESTING and answered how many times and NOW BY YOU ABOVE.... hmm See little Brother just wanted to let you play with your friends, stay out of your way but oh no you just

 

maybe talking pictures will help?

 

 

https://youtu.be/S-IkWpm7TS0

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Patch

[cowpuc]

Well Puc?

Two examples that are found thru ​COMPRESSION TESTING and answered how many times and NOW BY YOU ABOVE.... hmm See little Brother just wanted to let you play with your friends, stay out of your way but oh no you just

 

maybe talking pictures will help?

 

 

https://youtu.be/S-IkWpm7TS0

 

 

From chat cause you went poof!!

 

Made no sense and your youtubing didnt work,, to fix your youtubing, go back to the youtube video you want to post,, look at the bottom of the video,, right under the display,, see where it says SHARE?,, click on share, copy that url and paste in post

[Patch]

From chat cause you went poof!!

 

Made no sense and your youtubing didnt work,, to fix your youtubing, go back to the youtube video you want to post,, look at the bottom of the video,, right under the display,, see where it says SHARE?,, click on share, copy that url and paste in post

 

Did I not thank you on chat tonight?

Did it know go like this "Puc much older brother of mine"

"please stop helping me" there were witnesses at chat!

Don't make me go introduce you to my little friend's Dad

[cowpuc]

,,,,

 

You get that copy/paste from one thread to another figured out little brother? Glad to help there too,, after all, thats what big brothers are for = helping their little brothers learn proper methods of doing stuff.. :witch_brew:

 

JUST passed the police down the street!! 2 cop cars,, flashers going,, had a truck pulled over that fits the limited description of the nail throwers pick up that they gave me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! May have some exciting news to share soon!!!

:fingers-crossed-emo:fingers-crossed-emo:fingers-crossed-emo:fingers-crossed-emo:fingers-crossed-emo:fingers-crossed-emoa

 

$1000 worth of ruined tires JUST IN MY CASE!!!!! Hang em high!!

[cowpuc]

Ohh,, by the way little brother,, you still only fixed one of your videos.. Thats why I reminded you:big-grin-emoticon:

[Patch]

Remember the part "so you want play games"

YA THAT PART!!! EXTRA LARGE LETTERING FOR YOU A GEN OLDER THAN I - I AM ON TO Y' ALL!

[cowpuc]

Remember the part "so you want play games"

YA THAT PART!!! EXTRA LARGE LETTERING FOR YOU A GEN OLDER THAN I - I AM ON TO Y' ALL!

 

 

 

You lop eared varmints think this is something,, you should join us in chat sometime :biker::biker::biker::biker:,,,, right little brother?

[cowpuc]

By the way Patch,, you really got to admit,, the durability of these Yamaha V-4's is absolutely AMAZING!! LOOK at the results of the genuine, true to life,, for real Polling of the actual owners/riders of these things!! UNREAL!! To that you HAVE to admit

[Patch]

Well guys I have to wonder how deep this conspiracy actually goes?

 

Just maybe one question I don't want to ask..

 

Puc I must admit that I was mentioning to the boys over in the Cafe just last night,

"I try to be careful to not ..... cause I know he knows this stuff, he's just forgetting"

the " ....." replaced definitions I just could not figure out how to spell! LOL

 

But when Saddlebum started talking "Leak down testing is preferred" YIKES I got up to looksee if the skies were filling with Aliens, hmm hmm!

 

I suppose Flyinfool was in on this as well!

 

How you ever talked Marcarl into it knowing what he knows about me AT THIS MOMENT? hmm

 

I suppose Mama knew too, oh my that must of been tough on her!

 

And 1BIG you too, serves you right for ordering the right parts for the wrong bike!

Karma is a sweet BTCH

 

Well I am Honored BOY's to be you's all little brother! What a bunch of Canadian change, all Loonie! Now I was telling Carl while back how I use to be able to pre write 5 or more post to a thread just based on logical sequences, "but not on this forum, why is that" likely another of those questions I won't seek an answer to

 

 

 

[cowpuc]

Well guys I have to wonder how deep this conspiracy actually goes?

 

Just maybe one question I don't want to ask..

 

Puc I must admit that I was mentioning to the boys over in the Cafe just last night,

"I try to be careful to not ..... cause I know he knows this stuff, he's just forgetting"

the " ....." replaced definitions I just could not figure out how to spell! LOL

 

But when Saddlebum started talking "Leak down testing is preferred" YIKES I got up to looksee if the skies were filling with Aliens, hmm hmm!

 

I suppose Flyinfool was in on this as well!

 

How you ever talked Marcarl into it knowing what he knows about me AT THIS MOMENT? hmm

 

I suppose Mama knew too, oh my that must of been tough on her!

 

And 1BIG you too, serves you right for ordering the right parts for the wrong bike!

Karma is a sweet BTCH

 

Well I am Honored BOY's to be you's all little brother! What a bunch of Canadian change, all Loonie! Now I was telling Carl while back how I use to be able to pre write 5 or more post to a thread just based on logical sequences, "but not on this forum, why is that" likely another of those questions I won't seek an answer to

 

 

 

 

I think I would rethink this angle of defense if I were in your shoes little brother.. Fact is, there is no conspiracy,, none,, nada. Fact is, the ONLY reason those other lop eared varmints thoughts/experiences align with mine is because they know the truth of the matter.. None,, not even one of the varmints who voted in the above Poll, voted as they voted to defend your big brother.. Life around here in the club don't work like that,, never has,, probably/hopefully never will.. Nope,, sad to inform you of this but you only get ONE big brother and that is me

 

,, aint you the lucky one

[Patch]

I think I would rethink this angle of defense if I were in your shoes little brother.. Fact is, there is no conspiracy,, none,, nada. Fact is, the ONLY reason those other lop eared varmints thoughts/experiences align with mine is because they know the truth of the matter.. None,, not even one of the varmints who voted in the above Poll, voted as they voted to defend your big brother.. Life around here in the club don't work like that,, never has,, probably/hopefully never will.. Nope,, sad to inform you of this but you only get ONE big brother and that is me

 

,, aint you the lucky one

 

I wonder, haven't a clue as to what you said or didn't say?

Think I'll just stay confused and learn to approach with more suspicious caution, maybe even double my meds just to be sure, hmm?

[Patch]

Just read the poll!

 

Puc as I stated I believed the thread was a gag on me, I was sure you were pulling my leg! LOL

 

Let say it this way, you will not get me to agree with the blanket statement that because it is a Yamaha Venture that it does not need ever, to have a compression check! Regardless of whom you get to agree with you!

 

The points you highlighted about stuck rings are, in my comer not yours, RIGHT? lol

Who gives advice about not needing compression testing because it is a Yamaha V4?

Reinforces my thinking that you were pulling my leg!

Not to mention the questions not even asked:

have you ever compression tested….

have you ever checked lash……

If no to both, why not?

Clues to a gag right? LOL

 

In my view considering that these possibilities aren’t considered either

Might not have the correct jets

Might have or had leaking fuel circuits for a long time { need an examples?}

We know the results right, so Compression testing, unless they are the original owner and never...

Again reasons to think you have been pulling my leg.

 

Like I said I believed you were pulling my leg and I am good with that!

So brother for the record: It was a GAG right

 

PS. for the record both MKll we had both received with compression issues, 91 due to storage & 1 enricher, the 86, was much worse and problems corrected by understanding the results then addressing the known.

 

So tell me? If someone googles yamaha venture compression.... Is this thread to be taken seriously?

 

Little Brother

[CaseyJ955]

I did a compression check on my Vmax when I got it and had to do some proper tuning, it was to verify it's general health and to make sure I was not urinating up a waterfall with the tuning efforts. It was badly mis-tuned when I got it so I wanted to make sure I was starting with a healthy engine before cracking open the wallet and toolbox. But on first plug change why not toss the compression meter on it quick? For the Venture, it's 31 years old and has over 72k so I figured while the plugs were out, why not. Verification of a (presumably) healthy engine and the fact that I do take her quite a ways away from home it was prudent to be sure so both V4s got compression checks early in my ownership just as a matter of routine preventative maintenance. I feel like a compression check before beginning tuning is not a wasted step. I've never done a compression check on one of my Yammies in response to a ridability problem, which were almost always traced to fuel management or antiquated coils/HT leads. it's cheap, quick and easy to do a check, so on a decades old bike with holes in the service history it's hard to argue against one as a baseline just to be sure.

 

That being said I have never had compression issues and have very rarely heard of anyone else having actual internal engine problems leading to compression loss on the Vmax or Venture V4s. These engines are like the slant-6 of bikes. Now that I have done a baseline compression check on both bikes early in ownership I would be very unlikely to do another unless there was an obvious reason to question compression.

[cowpuc]

Just read the poll!

 

Puc as I stated I believed the thread was a gag on me, I was sure you were pulling my leg! LOL

 

Let say it this way, you will not get me to agree with the blanket statement that because it is a Yamaha Venture that it does not need ever, to have a compression check! Regardless of whom you get to agree with you!

 

The points you highlighted about stuck rings are, in my comer not yours, RIGHT? lol

Who gives advice about not needing compression testing because it is a Yamaha V4?

Reinforces my thinking that you were pulling my leg!

Not to mention the questions not even asked:

have you ever compression tested….

have you ever checked lash……

If no to both, why not?

Clues to a gag right? LOL

 

In my view considering that these possibilities aren’t considered either

Might not have the correct jets

Might have or had leaking fuel circuits for a long time { need an examples?}

We know the results right, so Compression testing, unless they are the original owner and never...

Again reasons to think you have been pulling my leg.

 

Like I said I believed you were pulling my leg and I am good with that!

So brother for the record: It was a GAG right

 

PS. for the record both MKll we had both received with compression issues, 91 due to storage & 1 enricher, the 86, was much worse and problems corrected by understanding the results then addressing the known.

 

So tell me? If someone googles yamaha venture compression.... Is this thread to be taken seriously?

 

Little Brother

 

IMHO you are wayyyy over thinking this little brother.. This is not a gag, or a set up,, or a conspiracy nor did I ask for or trick any of the clubs members into agreeing with me in their responses in the Poll.. Fact is, this poll is 100% in response to your claim that stuck rings and/or valve issues requiring the need for compression testing are a COMMON problem (your words, not mine) with the Yamaha V-4 that most, if not all, of the members here are very familiar with. The poll results are what they are,, no more, no less.. Fact is,, as the poll proves, those issues are NOT a common problem with these engines.. Thats all there is to this Patch so YES,, this thread should definitely be taken seriously in response to your claim..

 

Oh,, by the way,, really missed you last night in chat!! Had a record number of participants but NO MUSIC!!!!!!

[Patch]

Puc I am not concerned for myself or my feelings in this thread!

I have in the past tried to explain such things as compressible fluids, why we use the term and how we are able via that thinking calculate and understand combustion cycles extra. I did not mock your thinking at the time, did not mock your lack of understanding of the basis dynamics. I dissected dyno testing endlessly with you, pointing again to the missing connections instead of mocking!

Now your are twisting my words and efforts in the most basic princeliness of combustion issues by denying proven known's and procedures!

 

Other forums other mechanics young and old read this stuff too, what do you think their takeaway is?

Now I stay out of model specific stuff, its just not my strength.

So please Puc stop trying to make a fool of yourself, in trying to make one of me!

 

Just yesterday morning I had enough respect for you to accept you were pulling my leg; I would like to maintain that friendship and respect, so stop trying to reteach me what I am rock solid in; I am sure footed in my experience.

 

You have done this before Puc, it hasn't work well with others either, do not mistake me for a Mark.

 

Still love ya Big Brother but little brother is not playing this nonsense game any longer!