Thoughts / opinions ?

[Patch]

Any comments on:

 

[bpate4home]

I've done something similar but polar opposite method. When I was 17 I was with a group of riders who paid a visit to a woman and her children who were abused by the father. The goal of the group was intimidation of the father and I'll leave it at that. There's no way I would participate in that fashion today. Based on this story, if their methods are true to the child and not what ours was, then I think it's a good thing. It's a support group.

Edited February 5, 2020 by bpate4home

[SpencerPJ]

Great video Patch.

[sldunker]

If it is successful for the kids, why not. Kudos to them

[Patch]

I have mixed feelings on it..

 

We have a saying in French doesn't translate well but... " a bad for a good" and "change the hurt place" which kind of suggests to put a new face to the bad/hurt.

 

Sounds gooder in French;)

 

I certainly agree that on the surface their intentions seem honorable. Groups tho can be infiltrated by others with corrupt intentions and may, take advantage by use of both the groups know reputation and what is already a victimized youth...

 

So, I hope they have thought this thru..

 

Best of intentions don't always end well

[RDawson]

I have read several articles about BACA, even one here of a former member/family, I haven't seen anything to scare me away from them. They have a strict no weapons, no violence policy. I recently talked to a LEO who had great things to say about the group and his limited dealings with them. I am forbidden to join any groups such as this while employed by local government but plan to check into it closer on retirement. I was involved with one of my daughter's friends whose family was going through an ugly divorce, she spent a lot of time with my family that year even going on vacations with us. She thanked my wife and I many times about the time she spent with us away from the problems, rough for an early teenager. She wasn't abused like the ones BACA takes care of but it wasn't a good environment.

[Patch]

Thank you for sharing that Mr.Dawson!

 

I am pleased to know you are a stand-up kind of guy as well and, true not enough of us willing to get involved in what is often referred to as "not my problem"

 

The other item I speak of is that of first hand experience tho not related to this group posted.

 

It has to do with predatory behavior which often seeks to join groups for ulterior motives...

 

If it were I forming such a group I would have limited access rules regarding hands on or solo time restricted to club officers...

 

If that makes sense

 

Again I wish them well but I assume they have already weighed the risks and are ahead of my H.V. thinking;)

 

 

More thoughts?? anyone

[WIZ]

My nephew was a victim of child abuse from his mother’s boyfriend at the time. He received some injuries that he will never completely recover from. B.A.C.A. comes around at least once or twice a year since he was released from the hospital. They also escorted him home from the hospital as well as many visits to him while at the hospital. He really gets excited to see them each and every time that they show up. They have put on a few barbeques for the family as well as arranged some outings for them to attend. Can’t really say enough good things about our local B.A.C.A.

 

Ron

[RDawson]

Thank you for sharing that Mr.Dawson!

 

I am pleased to know you are a stand-up kind of guy as well and, true not enough of us willing to get involved in what is often referred to as "not my problem"

 

The other item I speak of is that of first hand experience tho not related to this group posted.

 

It has to do with predatory behavior which often seeks to join groups for ulterior motives...

 

If it were I forming such a group I would have limited access rules regarding hands on or solo time restricted to club officers...

 

If that makes sense

 

Again I wish them well but I assume they have already weighed the risks and are ahead of my H.V. thinking;)

 

 

More thoughts?? anyone

Here's a link to their mission page.

 

I admit I'm a sucker for kids, I'm a pushover (just ask my wife) when they want something. I have two girls of my own and several hundred "adopted" young men and women I worked with volunteering thru the school. I've coached t-ball, softball, basketball, and for the last 11 years worked with the marching band. I build their props and drive the truck and trailer hauling equipment. I'm the go to guy when something breaks, someone is injured, or one of the kids is uneasy with strangers come around because I'm the big scary teddy bear for them. I admit the girls are my favorite because they wear their feelings on their sleeves and show more appreciation when helped. I go thru regular background checks and training for this. My youngest is a senior this year so I'm about done traveling with the group and BACA stands out as something I'm interested in to fill some time. Working in the fire service means I'm on the local college campus often, I regularly have college students come up to me to talk about sports or band days and give me a hug. I take pride in the fact that just maybe I made life a little better for some that needed it or made a bad day a little better.

 

https://bacaworld.org/mission/

[Patch]

My nephew was a victim of child abuse from his mother’s boyfriend at the time. He received some injuries that he will never completely recover from. B.A.C.A. comes around at least once or twice a year since he was released from the hospital. They also escorted him home from the hospital as well as many visits to him while at the hospital. He really gets excited to see them each and every time that they show up. They have put on a few barbeques for the family as well as arranged some outings for them to attend. Can’t really say enough good things about our local B.A.C.A.

 

Ron

 

 

Thanks for sharing; also nice to hear your chapter has community respect.

 

After reading this I took a quick look, found this link which mentions some of their practicals as well as some of the challenges they can face..

Like we see so often some inspire for the wrong motives which only serves to hinder the good but, the good keep om trucking;)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikers_Against_Child_Abuse

[RDawson]

Thanks for sharing; also nice to hear your chapter has community respect.

 

After reading this I took a quick look, found this link which mentions some of their practicals as well as some of the challenges they can face..

Like we see so often some inspire for the wrong motives which only serves to hinder the good but, the good keep om trucking;)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikers_Against_Child_Abuse

 

Good read and good point Patch. Unfortunately in every large group there are always a few there for the wrong reasons or just make a bad decision at the wrong time. What I personally know of this group is what I've seen online from families that had to deal with these atrocities and their opinions of BACA. I think anyone going into this understands they are going to see some bad things and tense situations that could become violent. I've seen it both thru work and volunteering, my wife is a teacher so we've seen it thru the classroom too. I will check deeper into them as I do any group before I choose to be associated with.

Switching gears a little here, I remember from my dad's funeral visitation a few that came thru the line and talked of his influence on them when they were young and he was their volunteer sports coach and one especially talking of being in jail where Dad was chief deputy there. He had been in and out of jail all his life with kids at home, he said Dad sat him down and told him what he was doing to his kids lives and futures. He said it was the first time he'd had that man to man talk that hit home and he'd been straight for several years after that with a job and taking care of his family. For him to take time out of his life to come and talk to our family he'd never met meant a lot to us. If I can make that kind of difference to one person during my life I'll consider it a success and worth the headaches endured. Like I said earlier I'm a pushover for kids, mine are about grown and have had every opportunity for success. One is in med school and the other is starting college this fall to be an aerospace engineer, they have seen some of the issues their friends have faced in bad situations and I hope our influence at home have set a precedent for them to help someone in their future.

[Patch]

I am going to try to be brief, show coach my hEnglish/ramble is improving;)

 

As mentioned my 1st 25 years I walked a different path.

This I can say with some regret that an opportunity was afforded me by a foundation after a teacher submitted some of my work to them; in the end I refused the opportunity choosing instead to stick to my roots..

 

Not long after a somebody entered our lives, at first he seemed like a saving grace. I am going to use an old term here representative of our generation: he was syndicated.

Well at that time I had had enough of the old man and had just taken affirmative action finding myself in between strangers and distant from my Mom; yes I am a Moma's Boy and proud of it!

This new friend drove me to my block, and while leaving the 69 Vet, my neighborhood friends gathering round as he and I walk up the walk to my building,, he placed his hand on my right shoulder and stopped, "look" he said "you don't have to worry about him no more, I promise he's gone now".

That man and I became tight and with each step forward and as each year passed by I grew deeper and deeper into the following 11 years.

 

Now important to remember I wasn't a smart kid, I was a trusting one in the sense that I simply wanted to be able to trust at least someone and, I then believed he was like my father so I followed and trusted blindly!

 

I got to know the upper etch of the group and I was trusted (I have a short story on this some where) They named me and I did as told when told, no questions and zero regard of risk.

 

Some time past as did my innocence and, I learned to live their way which was that of 2 lives neither of which were mine to control!

Then one day my eyes were opened and I was no longer able to trust this man. Now throughout I had been taking a lot of underground training and I also new how difficult it would be for me to stand against this man without, the understanding from those above.

 

The problems were mounting quickly as did the threats, so I reached out for a sit down and explained myself. A peace was drawn, rules were set and off to our new life "family and all" we headed. But this guy would not let go of the girls. See he thought he owned us, he was a predator, sure of his ways, and had a lot of strong street muscle to back him.

 

Before long and as word hit the street I had many looking for my help, if only just to say I was there friend. This placed a burden on me and 3 tongues to engage in, see, I would never trust going outside of my circle again, ever!

 

So a predator is about as slick and slippery a scum the good people have to deal with regardless of your code of life! They are methodical in planning and execution; and they penetrate the trust of their subjects, in all walks of life and we see this all too often in all walks of life!

My thoughts and a bit of experience