SVTC paint issues

[Yoopermoose]

Noticed what looks like paint bubbling under the clear coat on top of the trunk lid. My build number is 705. ChiefGunner I believe our bikes are close to the same build, is this what it looked like on your tank? (The 3 vertical lines under the light reflection)

 

 

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[ChiefGunner]

Noticed what looks like paint bubbling under the clear coat on top of the trunk lid. My build number is 705. ChiefGunner I believe our bikes are close to the same build, is this what it looked like on your tank? (The 3 vertical lines under the light reflection)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180507/6028e41bcff3b64bcbb21c8cc8a98089.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180507/1a55d4c204d81d39ed840fc9fe3ef668.jpg

 

 

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YES! Mine is 694.

My issues were along both side of the gas tank and looked like it was “wear spots”, but I don’t wear leathers or anything harsh to have caused it. It showed up at around 2800 miles on it.

MAKE SURE you bring this to your dealers attention!! I took it to a PROFESSIONAL paint shop to look at it & they WROTE IT UP as a “paint defect” and what it would cost to repair. I submitted that to the dealership and 10 days ago Yamaha had them put a NEW tank on for me.

Just make sure EVERYTHING is documented!

[Yoopermoose]

YES! Mine is 694.

My issues were along both side of the gas tank and looked like it was “wear spots”, but I don’t wear leathers or anything harsh to have caused it. It showed up at around 2800 miles on it.

MAKE SURE you bring this to your dealers attention!! I took it to a PROFESSIONAL paint shop to look at it & they WROTE IT UP as a “paint defect” and what it would cost to repair. I submitted that to the dealership and 10 days ago Yamaha had them put a NEW tank on for me.

Just make sure EVERYTHING is documented!

 

I guess we need to keep our eyes peeled for other locations where this might show up.

 

 

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[ChiefGunner]

I guess we need to keep our eyes peeled for other locations where this might show up.

 

 

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ABSOLUTELY! Which is WHY I posted it here on the forum when it first happened. It’s brand new and don’t forget there was a “manufacturing delay” which caused late release so anything is possible. Yes, it may seem as if we’re “Beta Testing” their product, but to me this baby is worth it AS LONG AS they stand behind their product. So far they have without any fight.

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Mis spelled words.

[Yoopermoose]

ABSOLUTELY! Which is WHY I posted it here on the forum when it first happened. It’s brand new and don’t forget there was a “manufacturing delay” which caused late release so anything is possible. Yes, it may seem as if we’re “Beta Testing” their product, but to me this baby is worth it AS LONG AS they stand behind their product. So far they have without any fight.

 

Hope they don’t run out of Raspberry Red Metallic!

 

 

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[American]

That could be a wear issue as that is where your hand is going to go to close the trunk.

 

I put a piece of 3M clear paint protector film over that area today after seeing your picture to protect the paint.

 

[Yoopermoose]

That could be a wear issue as that is where your hand is going to go to close the trunk.

 

I put a piece of 3M clear paint protector film over that area today after seeing your picture to protect the paint.

 

http://www.venturerider.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=112489

 

Good idea, but on mine it is not wear but definitely under the clear coat. I have a rack on mine and always open/close the trunk that way. Pretty soon you’re gonna have a Saran wrapped bike!

 

 

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[YamahaParExcellence]

That could be a wear issue as that is where your hand is going to go to close the trunk.

 

I put a piece of 3M clear paint protector film over that area today after seeing your picture to protect the paint.

 

http://www.venturerider.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=112489

 

The paint should in no way be stressing if there is an adequate clear-coating over and sealing it. On my Goldwing...there never was any kind of paint 'wear' issues, whatsoever. I'm wondering how dense is the fairing castings. It seems to me, that Yamaha blended to minimum for costs to themselves, as well as a lighter body work. The problem with that...is that the surface of the faring, the saddle bags, the tank and tank top...is that the surface will heat or cool at different intervals, and that could weaken the paint bond..and cause popping. I noticed a lot of buffer and swirl marks in the Yamaha finish. I hope that I can buffer and polish them out...and I can't believe with all the hype I've read about how good is Yamaha's Standard of Quality manufacture...that such a crucial element as the paint and finish of their top of the food chain...could start to be having issues.

 

I am curious...has anybody else taken delivery of their red metallic, and had lots of swirls and buffer patterns marks, that might even look like scratches in the clear coat, from years of wear? Really stands out in the bright sunshine. I hope today that I can start to figure out how to address this. This is the only thing so far that has been a real disappointment. I truly had expected better from Yamaha, as regards fit and finish. The round buffer marks look almost like crop circles in the paint, and it is below the clear coat.

Edited May 9, 2018 by YamahaParExcellence

[Marcarl]

The paint should in no way be stressing if there is an adequate clear-coating over and sealing it. On my Goldwing...there never was any kind of paint 'wear' issues, whatsoever. I'm wondering how dense is the fairing castings. It seems to me, that Yamaha blended to minimum for costs to themselves, as well as a lighter body work. The problem with that...is that the surface of the faring, the saddle bags, the tank and tank top...is that the surface will heat or cool at different intervals, and that could weaken the paint bond..and cause popping. I noticed a lot of buffer and swirl marks in the Yamaha finish. I hope that I can buffer and polish them out...and I can't believe with all the hype I've read about how good is Yamaha's Standard of Quality manufacture...that such a crucial element as the paint and finish of their top of the food chain...could start to be having issues.

 

I am curious...has anybody else taken delivery of their red metallic, and had lots of swirls and buffer patterns marks, that might even look like scratches in the clear coat, from years of wear? Really stands out in the bright sunshine. I hope today that I can start to figure out how to address this. This is the only thing so far that has been a real disappointment. I truly had expected better from Yamaha, as regards fit and finish. The round buffer marks look almost like crop circles in the paint, and it is below the clear coat.

 

Seeing as you bought a brand new scoot, you shouldn't have to deal with swirls and the like. That is a defect, and although you might think you can solve it, you'll only get as far as having it look like you solved it. Buff it and then buff it again and she'll look good as allgetout, but then give it a good wash with some soap to get the wax off and all the swirls will be back. To get the swirls gone you'll have to 'grind' down the clearcoat with some 2000 or better grit and even then it'll be kind of dull without a constant application of wax. If it were a used machine, I'd say,,Buff it and be happy, but brand new out of the factory??? no way.

[BlueSky]

I don't mean to upset anybody but the guy who does the "Living Off the Slab" videos stated that the fit and finish was not up to Harley or Indian standards. See attached video.

 

Edited May 10, 2018 by BlueSky

[Yoopermoose]

I don't meant to upset anybody but the guy who does the "Living Off the Slab" videos stated that the fit and finish was not up to Harley or Indian standards. See attached video.

 

 

Enjoyed the review, Coming off an Ultra, a RoadKing and a Goldwing before that I agree that the finish isn’t comparable. The fit seems to be fine. The plastic seems to be thin in comparison with the GW. Sure park can be utilized with the bike not running however. I purchased this bike for the SurePark, the handling, the torque and the 5 year warranty and figure since it has paint issues, it’ll start being stickered up like Puc’s with traveling adventures sooner than later.

 

 

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[cowpuc]

In many of the commentary's concerning how much more a person is getting for their money by buying the Venture over the $500 more MSRP Road Glide I would counter claim with the truth that yes,, the HD does not have reverse BUT,, one of the things that HD does have that neither Yamaha or Polaris does is WOWZY can they paint a scoot = it is one of their claims to glory that they have perfected over the years, simple as that.. The Polaris bikes are known to show rust lines on fender seams while sitting on the show room floor and have very soft paint and Yamaha squirts the stuff like they always have - it's decent but it's not HD quality by any stretch of the word.. I also notice that numerous folks are complaining about the paint on the new Wings..

I would say if you really want the paint to "pop" = pay for a custom job by a really really good painter or do like Carl mentioned and wet sand the clear coat off, buff out the paint to perfection and redo the clear coat... Otherwise, just figure you swapped high end paint for the things you got on the new Venture that HD doesn't have and ride er till the cows come home..

[cowpuc]

Enjoyed the review, Coming off an Ultra, a RoadKing and a Goldwing before that I agree that the finish isn’t comparable. The fit seems to be fine. The plastic seems to be thin in comparison with the GW. Sure park can be utilized with the bike not running however. I purchased this bike for the SurePark, the handling, the torque and the 5 year warranty and figure since it has paint issues, it’ll start being stickered up like Puc’s with traveling adventures sooner than later.

 

 

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I type wayyyyyy to slow now that I am in geezerland

 

By the way Yoop,, on the stickers,, clean off the area good before you apply them after the bike has earned the sticker, carry a permanent marker so people can sign them,, figure out a way to clear coat over the signatures (I have never done that and now regret it miserably because I think my Yammer Dan signing has faded off )... Get er done brother,, IMHO - YOU are on the right path!!!! out

Get out and ride!!

Puc

[American]

Harley Davidson paint is pretty but it is easy to damage, the fuel tank on my 2016 Ultra Limited Low while pretty colors anything that rubbed on the paint would rub right through the Harley paint.

 

The fuel tank paint was being rubbed through where the front of the seat touched it, where my legs touched the rear sides of the fuel tank were rubbing the paint through.

 

That is why I know about the 3M clear film to help protect the paint, I had to use it on my Harley or it would have had multiple bare spots on the fuel tank.

 

My Victory Cross Country Tour had better paint than my Harley had.

 

You want to make the paint last and look good providing a deep shine that looks like you can reach into the paint then pick up some Liquid Glass and for the first three months just keep adding another coat of Liquid Glass, and that will provide you with a nice hard shell over the paint.

 

I have three coats of Liquid Glass on this Yamaha already and the paint looks good. I had I believe it was 33 coats of Liquid Glass on the Victory and when I traded that bike in for the Harley the paint on that Victory looked as good as any new Harley on their showroom floor.

 

Get a couple of coats of Liquid Glass on the paint then put on some of the 3M clear film to protect the contact areas and then work on getting 30 coats of Liquid Glass on the paint within the first 3 months of owning it and you will have built up a nice protective coating over the paint.

 

I plan on having at least 30 coats of Liquid Glass on this Star Venture by the 3 month mark of ownership.

 

Indian has its issues as well:

 

Do a search on Harley paint problems and you will find pages of complaints about paint on Harleys as well.

 

It is up to you to protect the paint and that is by being proactive when you first buy the bike and in my case I start putting on coat after coat of Liquid Glass.

 

I only did 11 coats of Liquid Glass on my Harley but I should have just built up 30 coats like I did the Victory, I will do that with this Yamaha.

 

One nice thing is this Star Venture seems to be quick to put a coat of wax/polish on.

Edited May 9, 2018 by American

[cowpuc]

Harley Davidson paint is pretty but it is easy to damage, the fuel tank on my 2016 Ultra Limited Low while pretty colors anything that rubbed on the paint would rub right through the Harley paint.

 

The fuel tank paint was being rubbed through where the front of the seat touched it, where my legs touched the rear sides of the fuel tank were rubbing the paint through.

 

That is why I know about the 3M clear film to help protect the paint, I had to use it on my Harley or it would have had multiple bare spots on the fuel tank.

 

My Victory Cross Country Tour had better paint than my Harley had.

 

You want to make the paint last and look good providing a deep shine that looks like you can reach into the paint then pick up some Liquid Glass and for the first three months just keep adding another coat of Liquid Glass, and that will provide you with a nice hard shell over the paint.

 

I have three coats of Liquid Glass on this Yamaha already and the paint looks good. I had I believe it was 33 coats of Liquid Glass on the Victory and when I traded that bike in for the Harley the paint on that Victory looked as good as any new Harley on their showroom floor.

 

Get a couple of coats of Liquid Glass on the paint then put on some of the 3M clear film to protect the contact areas and then work on getting 30 coats of Liquid Glass on the paint within the first 3 months of owning it and you will have built up a nice protective coating over the paint.

 

I plan on having at least 30 coats of Liquid Glass on this Star Venture by the 3 month mark of ownership.

 

Indian has its issues as well:

 

Do a search on Harley paint problems and you will find pages of complaints about paint on Harleys as well.

 

It is up to you to protect the paint and that is by being proactive when you first buy the bike and in my case I start putting on coat after coat of Liquid Glass.

 

I only did 11 coats of Liquid Glass on my Harley but I should have just built up 30 coats like I did the Victory, I will do that with this Yamaha.

 

One nice thing is this Star Venture seems to be quick to put a coat of wax/polish on.

 

,,, wouldnt using 33 coats of Liquid Glass on your Victory and only 11 coats on the HD and trying to draw a conclusive comparison of their resistance to paint finish wear be sort of the definition of one not comparing apples to apples ..

[American]

One more thing about Liquid Glass, it goes on easy and comes off just as easy. You can also use the Liquid Glass on the chrome shields and mufflers on the exhaust system and it will not turn blue like normal wax does when the exhaust gets hot.

 

I just bought into the how great Harley Davidson paint was supposed to be and I found out the hard way that Harley paint is really no better than any other manufactures paint.

 

Where Harley has everyone else beat is the number of color options they offer instead of the normal two colors of most other manufactures but as far as Harley paint being better that is a myth.

 

Here is the deal you can sit down and pick apart any bike you buy and ruin your ownership experience or you can put a little effort into the first three months of ownership and be proactive with certain areas of the bike and in the end you will enjoy the bike for years to come instead of grumbling about the finish.

[Condor]

One thing that no one has brought up, but is pretty well known is 'Red's Dead'. Of all the colors, red will fade the fastest and deteriorate the quickest. UV is an ugly thing and will eat a red paint job... I owned a red Firebird and the bond between the paint and the clear coat got really bad right after the warantee lapsed. I'd suggest using a UV treatment on the bike to slow fading.... Just FYI the most resistant color to UV is anything around 18% gray.. i.e. silver etc....

[WildBill1]

The Springfield Blue paint on my 14 Indian Chieftain was about the sorriest paint on any bike I ever owned. Notice after riding about a month even hard shell bugs left nicks in front fender. I think they use old acricllic enamel paint on their bikes. Anyway, got rid of that noisy lifter hard shifting Polaris Indian never to go back.

[Yoopermoose]

The Springfield Blue paint on my 14 Indian Chieftain was about the sorriest paint on any bike I ever owned. Notice after riding about a month even hard shell bugs left nicks in front fender. I think they use old acricllic enamel paint on their bikes. Anyway, got rid of that noisy lifter hard shifting Polaris Indian never to go back.

 

33 coats of liquid glass and protective film on good paint makes sense. On defective paint - not so much.

 

 

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[YamahaParExcellence]

Seeing as you bought a brand new scoot, you shouldn't have to deal with swirls and the like. That is a defect, and although you might think you can solve it, you'll only get as far as having it look like you solved it. Buff it and then buff it again and she'll look good as allgetout, but then give it a good wash with some soap to get the wax off and all the swirls will be back. To get the swirls gone you'll have to 'grind' down the clearcoat with some 2000 or better grit and even then it'll be kind of dull without a constant application of wax. If it were a used machine, I'd say,,Buff it and be happy, but brand new out of the factory??? no way.

 

Right...in all you say. Honestly, I can't really believe this...and if you look at the other close up shots of YooperMoose, you will clearly see paint defects in his...wow Yamaha...not impressed with this!

 

Carl, it's not that bad...in that it looks like someone vandalized the bike...and in my garage out of the sun, you don't see them...so I feel it is below the clear coat...and I think it is Yamaha Painting Department....they sanded down the spray, with tools...but did a very crude job...and too high a coarse grit. I know that I am not the only one....if you are in bright sunshine like we had yesterday around Toronto...and look down upon the top of the tour trunk, or the tops of the side bags...this is where you see 'scratches' crop circles...

 

My dealer is aware of it...because on my Pre Trip inspection while taking delivery I saw this...and brought him over...and he clearly saw that. I made him note it on my comments while taking delivery. Right now...there is another problem actually....what a PITA, this has been!

 

I just got off the phone with a Yamaha Rep...about the fact that my latest W10 updated system, that can read the USB drive that is hosting my Navigation Fingerprint (you need this to start the process of installing your Map Navigation Software), their YamahaTools software keeps saying that no device detected.

He said that there were others calling with the same problem. He took my VIN, particulars..and said that he will get back to me, either by phone or email. So...that's problem #2 .

 

So...will later go out and wash her down...and then try to gently rub the worst area and see if that takes it away. Other than that...the whole bike would have to be repainted. That is not something I would be looking forward to. This is my first Yamaha...and also, this is my first bike that ever had visual defects in the paint that came right out of the shipping crate. Don't score one for the gipper. Great bike...having a blast riding it....but this is bugging me. Take a look at my ten year old Goldwing, in that picture I uploaded showing it sitting in a Gettysburg parking lot. That bike did not have one blemish on it...with 10 years of sunlight...road grit, etc. BTW, what is it now with motorcycle manufactuers? I'm reading in Honda forums, that the new 2018 Goldwing ALSO has paint defect issues right out of the crates. The 'former' famous Japanese worker dedication to excellence seems to have gone the way of the Samurai....Japanese Melenials...are saying....to heck with that...we come to work...we work...we get paid...we start the next week. No more the 10,000 employees doing morning exercises...and singing the corporate quality 'song'. Thing of the past, perhaps?...

Edited May 10, 2018 by YamahaParExcellence

[YamahaParExcellence]

33 coats of liquid glass and protective film on good paint makes sense. On defective paint - not so much.

 

 

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As soon as I get her washed...I can't even get their Yamaha Toolbox to detect my USB drive with the bike's downloaded FingerPrint. What a PITA!

 

So...the rep said hang tight...others are having the same problem. So..no updated Infotainment System software. No ability to install and activate my Map Navigation. I have installed one of the first 11.xxx.xxx versions, and can't find 12.0.5 I hope my dealer can access it. I'll bring my USB drive to him...so I can get a copy to take back to the bike. Then...what I think is the worst paint job to be delivered to me, in the last 50 years...wow...and on their most expensive bike to boot. If this is the 'famous' Yamaha quality that some have forum'ed about...then I am worried....

 

I'm going to try and wash and apply a first coat of Mother's and then a sealer...and see where I am after that.

 

Great bike, mechanically....visual paint job, (at least on mine) sucks.

[WildBill1]

33 coats of liquid glass and protective film on good paint makes sense. On defective paint - not so much.

 

 

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Not so much defective paint as it is cheap quality paint.

[DougS]

As soon as I get her washed...I can't even get their Yamaha Toolbox to detect my USB drive with the bike's downloaded FingerPrint. What a PITA!

 

So...the rep said hang tight...others are having the same problem. So..no updated Infotainment System software. No ability to install and activate my Map Navigation. I have installed one of the first 11.xxx.xxx versions, and can't find 12.0.5 I hope my dealer can access it. I'll bring my USB drive to him...so I can get a copy to take back to the bike. Then...what I think is the worst paint job to be delivered to me, in the last 50 years...wow...and on their most expensive bike to boot. If this is the 'famous' Yamaha quality that some have forum'ed about...then I am worried....

 

I'm going to try and wash and apply a first coat of Mother's and then a sealer...and see where I am after that.

 

Great bike, mechanically....visual paint job, (at least on mine) sucks.

 

You should probably put on the sealer first and then the wax. Sealer lasts longer than wax. Let the wax protect the sealer (which is protecting the clear coat which is protecting the paint) and be the sacrificial layer which you can reapply every few weeks or so...

[YamahaParExcellence]

One thing that no one has brought up, but is pretty well known is 'Red's Dead'. Of all the colors, red will fade the fastest and deteriorate the quickest. UV is an ugly thing and will eat a red paint job... I owned a red Firebird and the bond between the paint and the clear coat got really bad right after the warantee lapsed. I'd suggest using a UV treatment on the bike to slow fading.... Just FYI the most resistant color to UV is anything around 18% gray.. i.e. silver etc....

 

Thanks for that info...good to know! On my bike, though..it is actual production issues. They did a terrible job in the sanding to infinite of the paint layer, before applying clear coat. I'll work with it...but one shouldn't have to...

[YamahaParExcellence]

You should probably put on the sealer first and then the wax. Sealer lasts longer than wax. Let the wax protect the sealer (which is protecting the clear coat which is protecting the paint) and be the sacrificial layer which you can reapply every few weeks or so...

 

Thank's Doug...will do! Certainly will!

 

Joe