The post that probably gets me banned, or un-friended, but needs to be stated;

[YamahaParExcellence]

.....my dealer said that we are definitely on for Tuesday. Good stuff!

 

 

 

!

 

 

Folks...I just have been in point/counter point with Don (XV1100SE) and in hashing around in my mind...the guy on the right shoulder, the guy on the left shoulder...I have come to a conclusion in all this. Everybody has of course a right to their opinion, but not (in my books) if they use their opinion to deny another of a course of action, or to influence an action, or non-action. I hope that everybody that is interested in the latest round of new bikes from the likes of Honda...persue their own Due Diligence, and the same for those looking in Yamaha's camp. With having typed this...I am going to just delete my post, and let all the dust settle where it will. There is no bad ride, no worse technology over another, if THAT is the tech and/or the motorcycle, you choose, to take you along the road. The riding part, is all that matters...water cooled, air cooled, elephant spraying bike jugs cooled...it's all good.

 

Soap box now being dismantled and broken up.......lol Cheers!

 

First, Second and Third Generation Ventures...if they RUN...and are PAID FOR...THAT is GOOD! Nothing more needs to be said...(thumb's up)

Edited May 6, 2018 by YamahaParExcellence

[7 lakes]

So what did ya think about the heat problem?

[YamahaParExcellence]

So what did ya think about the heat problem?

 

That's the whole point of the post...to let everybody know....there isn't one. It doesn't exit.

I know you were spoofing me.

BTW, I was joking with a chance of 'being banned'....just personal commentary. Nothing to excite Freebird!

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7 Lakes...a somewhat, sometime reported SVTC 'heat issue'....not...at...all. Just one fantastic all-in ride experience.

On the way back home, on my air/oil cooled 750...the same sense of warmth, or even more in fact...but totally comfortable. Not the word; HEAT, that you'd want to shy away from, or to avoid. Nothing of the kind, regarding the SVTC. Yamaha knew what they were doing, and releasing.

 

Whether you go 50 miles...or 5,000. After now riding one ahead of my own delivery...in hindsight, THANK YOU Honda...for what you did, regarding the 2018 Wing....or I would have merely bought another, and missed the SVTC. Honda Corp...thank you! You did me a blessing-in-disguise, service!

Edited May 6, 2018 by YamahaParExcellence

[SilvrT]

Your posts are starting to make me wonder if you're some kind of a "promoter" hired by Yamaha to infiltrate these forums and do everything possible to get the die-hards and nay-sayers to change their tune .....

 

 

Frankly though, it might appear you're worth your money coz even though I'm not "one of those", you sure as h3LL got me fired up LOL

 

Can't wait to read your commentary after you've received your "baby" and have put a few sMiles on her.

 

am I envious? YOU BETCHA BOB!

[YamahaParExcellence]

Your posts are starting to make me wonder if you're some kind of a "promoter" hired by Yamaha to infiltrate these forums and do everything possible to get the die-hards and nay-sayers to change their tune .....

 

 

 

I just want to compare to you two rides that I am now intimate with, easily, the Honda Goldwing GL1800, and now a very well working knowledge of the running of, the handling of...the Yamaha Star Venture Trans Continental.

 

If I cold turkey...having NEVER ridden either model....but did on the same day that I had every intention of purchasing a world-class, Grand Luxury Touring Motorcycle...I will honestly and so truthfully tell you, right here, right now...that I would have walked back into the Yamaha Dealer...and walked out the reserved owner of a Red SVTC. That...is the truth, revealed by having been fortunate today..by invitation of my dealer, to ride his SVTC. There's nothing more that I can say...honestly... Cheers!

Edited May 6, 2018 by YamahaParExcellence

[XV1100SE]

Save me cut and pasting....see my retort at http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?135963-WHY-air-cooled&p=1035795#post1035795

[YamahaParExcellence]

Save me cut and pasting....see my retort at http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?135963-WHY-air-cooled&p=1035795#post1035795

 

I did Don..and with reply. I respect all within your post. Cheers!

 

Joe

[cowpuc]

Hello all, well, today I was going to head out north to Lake Simcoe, but instead my dealer said that we are definitely on for Tuesday. I said oh...that's good, looking really forward to it...and he said, that's not only what he was calling to tell me about, but that he had a very good reason to have me ride out. I asked why?

 

"Because I have an SVTC for you to ride, if you want?"

 

WHAT??!!?!?!??!! HECK YES!.......forget Lake Simcoe...eastbound and riding...zooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom-------------------------arrive at dealer.

 

Before I talk about my ride, which will probably get me banned (just joking...) or de-friended by some here (not perhaps joking, lol) ...here is the birth process of my gal...nearing her completion.

 

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Well on her way to being born, and ready to go home this coming Tuesday.

 

Now...the rest of this post is probably going to be strongly opinionated and perhaps worded. I can't help that...because I think there is a terrible disservice being done to the Yamaha Star Venture, and to Yamaha engineering, itself. If I step on toes with the following...I am sorry..I can't help that:

 

The following as I see it, needs to be said/typed:

 

I got to ride a 2018 Yamaha Star Venture Trans Continental in an ambient temperature of 81 F today. It hit that where I was in bright sunshine. Whether it would be 85, or even 90, would have truly made no tremendous impact to riding the bike at 81 F.

 

I rode the motorcycle for over 50 miles...(he told me I could...and welcomed my opinion as of coming off years with a Gold Wing. I later found out he bought it for himself, with part of it, being my unbridled enthusiasm in anticipation for mine, and that I left a Gold Wing et al. Where he got it from, I didn't ask. It was in great shape and red!)

 

With all that out of the way. I want to open up by saying that my 'intelligent expectations', were met at a level of 600 per cent. I'd say...my experience was 6 times or more, GREATER, than I would have 'hoped' would be my ride, down country lanes, on the Highway 401, up hills..down into dales, all of it. This motorcycle folks..from a guy who has ridden untold thousands upon thousands of miles in over 50 years uninterrupted, is truly The Ring, that Rules Them All... The ride, the torque on tap from the get go. The open full throttle hell-bent response of this magnificent motor...is AT LEAST as fast up taking as the 118 hp, 6 cylinder Honda Gl1800. The first time I took it from 2-6, at full throttle on Sport Mode, it was snapping my head back..and I had to hold onto the bars, for my body sliding backward! This engine, AND FORGET IT BEING 77 horsepower...my gawd...the torque and PULL this thing has...can put your lips back over your forehead...H.S.!

 

When I was then within my 50 miles, (no 15 minute demo...with bikes all around me...no...I WAS RIDING THIS BABY!!!!) Full throttle pulls, slow progressive shifting at 1200-1500 up shifts, etc...5th and 6th gear low RPM roll outs...all of it... I became angry....yep...real anger...that lots of poor souls, looking for a different ride, perhaps looking for this exact ride...are being misinformed, being 'played' by what I feel, could be a group of forum and YouTube posters, that have an agenda...yes...I said it...(here's the banning banter...) AN AGENDA, to want to see this bike fail...to want to punish Yamaha, for NOT putting 'the' engine that they wanted to see in the 'new' Venture. They hate the choice that Yamaha made...are angry with the choice that Yamaha made...and want to get in their 'shots'....to punish Yamaha...and to PROVE that their engine choice, a large bore, traditional V-Twin WAS THE WRONG CHOICE! That it was air/oil cooled, and not what they wanted to see in the new rig...a liquid cooled engine...WAS THE WRONG CHOICE....and so...they came, these certain bloggers, riders...to any number of Yamaha Demo Days, to want to ride this big bore, V-Twin configuration, READY, like a gunfighter on the streets of Laredo...ready to pull out, and blast anything they did not like about the bike...and most...c'mon...most already had a bug up their wazoo, BECAUSE of the choices Yama Mama made...that did not align with their hopeful expectations.

 

First off....to all those bloggers who had me worked up that this bike has a really bad HEAT Output problem...and 'Oh...it about cooked my left thigh! Oh...man....I started cookin' at the red light. Oh...jeez...it's so hot, who could ride this bike in 80--90 F temperatures...Oh...Oh...."

 

All you folks...and every one of those 50 miles today, says you are spouting a crock of **##*@@! WHAT HEAT? AGAIN....WHAT BLISTERING AND SO UNCOMFORTABLE HEAT? WHERE? BELOW ME? NOT! ON MY LEFT THIGH? NOT....ON MY LEFT ANKLE...NOT! What a crock of was being blogged and YouTubed out there on these Demo Rides...by folks that had absoltuly NO wish to own...did not WANT to own a V-Twin, air/oil cooled...most were NOT HAPPY WITH YAMAHA in their design...and quite frankly...wanted to dumb down the bike. 'Oh man...this is why I would NOT BUY this bike...". What a load of ##&@*, the all of it.

 

Folks, if you want the truth....and you are open to it...and every SVTC owner on this forum will also tell you....THEY HAVEN'T FELT blistering....uncomfortable...oh 'JEEZ'...heat...being given off by this engine...whether (at 82 F) sitting at a red light LIKE I DID, whether being stuck in 15 minute 401 lane closure back-ups LIKE I DID, running at stop and go for 1 mile LIKE I DID, and then rode slow 30 miles per hour loping along in 3rd/4th like I did...or blasting down the roadway at 60-85 MPH, like I did today...in 5th and 6th.

Folks...with lower level fairing vents open on both sides of the bike for Summer riding, with the two wind deflectors moved inwards to capture cool air, (that they were designed to , and for to be used), there NEVER...let me repeat that...NEVER was a time that this engine, put out MORE heat than my 750 cc in-line four Kawasaki ZR7S!!!!!

 

Yeah..had to shout that...

 

This bike, runs...COOL...cooler in the cockpit, and on my legs and thighs, than even my in-line air/oil cooled Kawa, at only 750 CC's

 

Am I banned yet, Freebird? (hope not...) I believe that after actually riding this bike...experiencing this bike over 50 miles...in traffic, out of traffic, at crawling along, at 30 mph, at 80 mph...by my own, and not somebody's ELSE'S YouTube commentary...that there is absolutely to this man's mind...that there is a conspiracy with intent by some, to see this model, this first year release, and the choices that Yamaha made regarding this bike...TO FAIL...because (sour grapes) it did not match their metrics and expectations. Simply that....

 

I can't imagine how many potential adopters, have been put off...scared off...by quite a few riders...that HAD NO SKIN IN THE GAME...had no intentions of seeing this motorcycle as their possible next...had no intention whatsoever...than came on YouTube, came on varied Forums, and told their tales of SVTC woe..."there was so much heat put out..that I felt it was cooking my leg....blah, blah....B.S....blah.

 

Folks...FORGET their comments, if they had never said, they had gone to the demo, with a true interest in mind...to purchase this bike. Their comments are totally 'glad I didn't buy this...because wow...the heat...the heat nearly cooked my leg..." are biased as H*ll!

 

Forget their comments...heck, forget MY comments...and please...if you want a change up of venue...if you want a new ride, for ANY of your good reasons...and have been dissuaded by what you have read, or what you have 'rode along with' by bloggers such as ..well, I won't name them...

 

You will be shooting yourself in the foot..if you truly bypass riding this motorcycle for yourself....being sure that the bike has been configured for the season you are riding in....Summer Fall, Spring....open the lower vents...move in the air deflectors to collect cool air...and RIDE...you will surely feel a warmth...but folks...Jesus....it is only a nice hugging warmth...that any engine will put out...even my 750 Kawasaki...but in NO WAY, NO WAY, are you going to feel uncomfortable...going to feel that this heat is rider-unbearable. That, my friends...with 50 miles in the saddle...on this magnificent motorcycle...those outlandish comments...is a crock of you-know-what!!!

 

Ride for yourself...and foment your own opinions....not rely on other's riding comments...and heck...even my own here....ride for yourself!

 

If this bans me...then it was a great run, here folks...but it had to be said. Some really bad copy was being published since the reveal...and I, and so many others, must have at some of it, bought into it. I still purchased, on intelligent expectation. My ride today...two days before Charlotte comes home..SHOWED me, that my years of riding...my years of "hmmmm reading that Yamaha Engineers put out a bike that was for some, cooking their legs, thighs, that..but from my experience, over 50 years of riding air, air/oil, liquid cool motorcycles, ....THAT doesn't, or didn't gel, or sounded right"....

 

Folks...my ride today...rewarded my 'intelligent expectations, by over at least 6 times what I had HOPED FOR, to experience. Off the soapbox....but it has to be said....there is a conspiracy of sorts...my ride today made that clear... This bike, runs normal, and runs cool. You feel warmth, you do NOT feel HEAT! You feel no more engine warmth output than any air/oil cooled, inline four 750cc!

 

Cheers

 

Can't wait...and glad that I did NOT make the opinion of another, the Opinion that RULES THEM ALL.

 

And that includes my opinion, quite frankly. If you have ever thought of owning a traditional large bore, high torque at low maintained RPM...then go do yourself a favor....go out for a ride...(put the bike into summer or fall mode...) and see for yourself. Trust me on one thing, you won't be coming back smelling like Prime Rib...sorry, you'll still have to take your lovely co-rider out for dinner, to get that....

 

Joe

 

1st and foremost = CONGRATS again and the new scoot and CONGRATS on getting to at least take a short putt on one before you offically took delivery of the new one - IMHO (which, I still think it is important that All opinions be heard hear in our club) doing even a short ride on an unknown before jumping in with both feet is wise.

Concerning the heat issue that you speak of. I too have experienced a short ride (numerous short rides) on the new Venture and I definitely came away with a different take than do you.. I am one who looks at the SVTC as a touring package that includes 2 up comfort and I therefore believe that the passenger comfort is just as, if not of more so necessary than that of the rider him/herself.. Unfortunately, in your debate presentation, you did not even mention this.

Because of the endless possibilitys of misrepresentation in social media and, as you point out = the opertunity for hidden agendas to prevail and influance (lets face it,, you and I dont really know each other do we,, you in fact really could be a shill from Yamaha defending a product that is a hard sell and I could actually be that Harley shill as mentioned in another thread) on decision making processes, I tend to be one to put heavy value on actual scientific evidence and video blogging where stated arquments in either direction are backed up by video.

The thought of taking the bikes temparture with an infrared has been mentioned and to date,, this has not been done. I actually wrote about my intent to do exactly that at Sturgis last year, took my infrared temp taker with us to Sturgis to do the side by side scientific comparison between the our 83 Venture and a new one exactly like the one you rode but was denied access to the bike for that purpose by the factory techs there (leaving me with the impression that someone there knew there was something to hide). Many people, including myself, have experienced the outcome of attempting to tour on an air cooled V-Twin in the warmer climates during the summer months with passengers aboard and have had to curtail the tour seek refuge from heat that,in your opinion doesnt exist and the thought behind the "taking of the tempts" was simply to provide scientific proof one way or the other as to why this is/was so..

As far as your opinion of the new Ventures ability in performance to be so powerful as to push your lips over your forehead and my opinion that the same bike is equivilent to a putzy, dehorned "B" motored early Twin Cam 88 inch HD I am gonna post another one of those video blogs of mine to show evidence of why I formed my opinion.. Might I suggest that any readers in the future here take note that I am able to speak during the bikes peak performance during the video and hopefully those same readers/viewer will be with it enough to know that one cannot speak with his/her lips pulled over their forehead . I am also going to include a similar video of Tip and I doing the same thing with the much smaller motored V-4 early model Venture in case anyone out there in reader land would like a small sample of why some of still see the V4 as the better performing option.

Overall here,, I am one to think that, in truth and in fairness,, none of us will really know the actual facts about the new bikes honest capabilities in doing the job it was intended to do (take 2 people and all their gear touring transcontinentally during all seasons in all climates without either the rider or the passenger getting burned or buried in the process) until summers end. Hopefully, by that time all the outstanding ride reports, fully supported by pictures and videos, will be available - now THAT is something I for one fully look forward to!!

Hopefully,, all opinions - including those of my own, still matter and are welcome here in our club.

Puc

 

 

Edited May 6, 2018 by cowpuc

[SilvrT]

Your posts are starting to make me wonder if you're some kind of a "promoter" hired by Yamaha to infiltrate these forums and do everything possible to get the die-hards and nay-sayers to change their tune .....

 

 

@YamahaParExcellence...you do realize I'm just yankin yer chain eh?

 

As I said, I'm super envious .. wish I had the finances to get a new Venture but now that I'm retired, it's just not within my reach ... unless of course I wins the Lotto!

[YamahaParExcellence]

1st and foremost = CONGRATS again and the new scoot and CONGRATS on getting to at least take a short putt on one before you offically took delivery of the new one - IMHO (which, I still think it is important that All opinions be heard hear in our club) doing even a short ride on an unknown before jumping in with both feet is wise.

Concerning the heat issue that you speak of. I too have experienced a short ride (numerous short rides) on the new Venture and I definitely came away with a different take than do you.. I am one who looks at the SVTC as a touring package that includes 2 up comfort and I therefore believe that the passenger comfort is just as, if not of more so necessary than that of the rider him/herself.. Unfortunately, in your debate presentation, you did not even mention this.

Because of the endless possibilitys of misrepresentation in social media and, as you point out = the opertunity for hidden agendas to prevail and influance (lets face it,, you and I dont really know each other do we,, you in fact really could be a shill from Yamaha defending a product that is a hard sell and I could actually be that Harley shill as mentioned in another thread) on decision making processes, I tend to be one to put heavy value on actual scientific evidence and video blogging where stated arquments in either direction are backed up by video.

The thought of taking the bikes temparture with an infrared has been mentioned and to date,, this has not been done. I actually wrote about my intent to do exactly that at Sturgis last year, took my infrared temp taker with us to Sturgis to do the side by side scientific comparison between the our 83 Venture and a new one exactly like the one you rode but was denied access to the bike for that purpose by the factory techs there (leaving me with the impression that someone there knew there was something to hide). Many people, including myself, have experienced the outcome of attempting to tour on an air cooled V-Twin in the warmer climates during the summer months with passengers aboard and have had to curtail the tour seek refuge from heat that,in your opinion doesnt exist and the thought behind the "taking of the tempts" was simply to provide scientific proof one way or the other as to why this is/was so..

As far as your opinion of the new Ventures ability in performance to be so powerful as to push your lips over your forehead and my opinion that the same bike is equivilent to a putzy, dehorned "B" motored early Twin Cam 88 inch HD I am gonna post another one of those video blogs of mine to show evidence of why I formed my opinion.. Might I suggest that any readers in the future here take note that I am able to speak during the bikes peak performance during the video and hopefully those same readers/viewer will be with it enough to know that one cannot speak with his/her lips pulled over their forehead . I am also going to include a similar video of Tip and I doing the same thing with the much smaller motored V-4 early model Venture in case anyone out there in reader land would like a small sample of why some of still see the V4 as the better performing option.

Overall here,, I am one to think that, in truth and in fairness,, none of us will really know the actual facts about the new bikes honest capabilities in doing the job it was intended to do (take 2 people and all their gear touring transcontinentally during all seasons in all climates without either the rider or the passenger getting burned or buried in the process) until summers end. Hopefully, by that time all the outstanding ride reports, fully supported by pictures and videos, will be available - now THAT is something I for one fully look forward to!!

Hopefully,, all opinions - including those of my own, still matter and are welcome here in our club.

Puc

 

 

 

Good morning, Puc...all you say is true...and accepted. I'm a new man, this morning....heart rate is down...breathing has smoothed out...and life is calm and good, once more. With my natural level of enthusiasm...I see Puc..where I can actually have some wondering, if I actually DO...either work for Yamaha, or...am a paid, whatever to 'slip' in...say my piece, generate positive vibes for the SVTC... You know, I can see that...and I absolutely take no offense if even some one walked right up to my Forum Face, and accused me of that. The truth though, (and of course, even that statement must be taken on extended trust) is that I am just a fella that by 'accident' (the accident being that in waiting for about three years...(what I mean by that Puc, is that I/We, (mostly more the 'I' than that 'We', I had to convince her of another new ride...the truth...) wanted to R.O.I. the 2008 Wing...three years ago...and had they released let's say the metrics of the 2017, with updated Infotainment Technology, and by use of a tunneled portico, and a door, allowed one to replace in 5 minutes the air cleaner...I would have got right back to one more Wing...and then hope that my body can handle it well into the future. That was the Master Plan, Puc. Well, neither myself nor my wife liked the 2018, so Plan B came into being the next day. Plan B, turned out, as you all know here...to be a purchase of the SVTC that fit all my metrics, and happily all of my wife's. So...we purchased, and this coming Tuesday (thank gawd) I will see that purchase come to fruition.

 

Puc...I was not specifically 'targeting' any one individual active on this site, or out upon the vast Net. I was collectively speaking about ALL that I had read, their posts...followed their posts over the last 7 months...and then yesterday...with real personal metrics...was revealed (and now I word this carefully, in respect of Don, yourself, others...) that my personal experience, where I entered the ride with some 'anticipated and built in dread/disappointment/shoulda/coulda evaporated within the first 1/2 mile! What heat....where is this heat quite a few posters and bloggers kept mentioning as the killer of any further consideration of this being their next follow through ride. I kept riding on...full on throttle, idled for ten minutes as we discussed the Harley..remember?.....and still no waves of rider-enthusiasm-destroying heat wafting up...around, and throughout the cockpit. Nothing...nothing...at 82 F. Nothing...I then emulated the very type of operation that those below the Mason Dixon line mentioned that would cause them to avoid the choices that Yamaha ended up going with for the SVTC. I knowingly (cause I passed the 2 into 1 401 lane closure, going to the dealer) and went right into it...for that stop and go, stop and go...and to my utter amazement, no fans running, this massive capacity engine purring away under me...and no wafts of heat. No cooking of either my ankle, calve, or thigh as was being reported by some when they were demo mode...waiting for a light to change. Here I was...creeping ahead...in 82 F...stop, go, stop go...and Puc...NO HEAT. I was amazed! That experiment, along with every type of riding I have ever been situationally in the thick of things...had no heat...in the forefront of my mind...distracting me...causing discomfort...and then...the emotional reaction...after of course GREAT RELIEF that I would not , or my wife, have to just deal with this..and accept this...was, well...true anger. I actually got angry at all the hype...that (yes..) had me truthfully, cranked up...and crossing my fingers....and in my case, all for not. The bike Puc...runs no warmer (I don't use the word, hot...for it simply wasn't) than my in-line 750 four that of course sits directly in front of my thighs, calves, ankles and feet...on the Kawa. It was in fact, from just getting off the SVTC...starting up CowFace...my body was telling me that I felt cooler on the SVTC. I got even madder...and THAT, after 2 hours in CowFace's saddle...I came home like a Tornado...and almost pressed the on/off button on my computer...pushed to the back of the machine. I was a man on a mission...to post and debunk...all the 'Gawd...is this thing HOT...cooking me alive...' So...yes..there was real....real, human passion within the text of that post.

 

Did my passion perhaps act like a sort of BULL DOZER...well, after reading Don's retort...quite frankly...I felt it might have...and I relented. I said..before deleting with my explanation for deleting...was that you know folks...whatever...all is good...just please don't take their word on anything...don't take MY word on anything...if you find an attraction to any ride...ride it...go see it...sit on it...or do intelligent Due Diligence...but do NOT be PUT OFF, on the review, on comments if negative of another. Make the decision for, and ONLY for yourself. That was the passion behind the post yesterday afternoon, Puc.

 

I merely turned off the Bull Dozer..and let the 'construction site' get quiet, lol. The Bull Dozer has been taken away on a flat bed...and peace and tranquility is in its place. I am thrilled to be getting a motorcycle that has every feature I could ask for...has the type of engine I have never in 50 years, explored, and am now ECSTATIC...because...my ride experience...and I don't actually call 50 miles as a brief or short demo, but that's just me, but that my ride verified that my last October's 'intelligent expectations' were right on...right on. I am thrilled this morning as I type this, beyond all measure...and nobody over the next 8 weeks, will see me for the dust behind my new ride....Charlotte 3 and I are going to get to know each other...really....really well. I have no fear, whatsoever now Puc...that If I want to visit folks back in the home state, in the great riding month of July...no longer a point of stress. I can...I can go anywhere, in any month...and my wife and I aboard Charlotte will be comfortable, as much as wearing helmets allows you in July or August. It won't be the engine...it will be helmets on a 90 degree day that will have us wishing perhaps...a pool or lake was nearby. Not Charlotte. THAT was yesterday's personal 'reveal'.

 

If people think this post was just typed by the fingers of a 'Yamaha Shill'...than there is nothing I can do about that...and they will then merely have to write off any further, and past forum content from myself, if any comes. That has been always the choice of the reader, Puc.

 

As to your opinions...and content...of course it is accepted, and appreciated. That is how we all become enriched. My opinion, your opinion,Don's opinion....we then can form our own conclusions...the three of us for sure. We seem to be strong personalities...but there are other's out upon the Net...(I am not directing this comment with anybody in mind...no sir...) but I have seen in their response posts...that they are like sheep...and whatever the Grand Sheppard states...or points...the Sheep follow... "I found when riding...it got so hot, I was actually ready to fly off of the bike" Response on YouTube video. "Wow...wow...thanks for sharing that...and I was going to go for a demo ride...forget that...I'm now going to look at the Gold Wing...or BMW, or Susie-Q!" That is the Sheppard/Sheep interaction that had me all fired up. I don't think anybody would consider that a 'shill' remark. I'm sure everybody else has seen those response posts, regarding both the new Honda, as well as the SVTC.

 

But..in closing...I don't intend pass this very post, to engage in conjecture on this subject...and only, because I see, that my opinions, ARE, my opinions...and what weight do they really have upon another? They shouldn't...same as yours...Don's...the whole hobby. They are only...and should be only intended as an interesting read... I've surely posted enough..and know when a air/liquid warm/cold/blistering topic has been flogged to death. LOL. The horse is laying there...so I intend to let the horse now lay...and only ride. Someone will buy a Yamaha Star Venture Trans Continental, not because of anything I have said...but because THEY WANT ONE! On another subject...I want Tuesday to come on Monday....now...how can I get THAT to work, lol Any ideas, Puc?

 

Added Content...Puc...I just saw your SVTC honk-on...on the highway again...and I have to tell ya...I think that all the demo bikes were chip-detuned...for whatever reason...for the bike I had yesterday, the sound...was much hotter, the rev's rolling up to the 4,500 limited much faster...and/or, it sounded like you and Tippy, were in Tour Mode. Let me tall ya...that makes the world of difference. Your bike, absolutely sounded like an injection-mapped Tour Mode...absolutely! That would have made all the difference,had you been in Sport Mode. Also, to go from one mode to another, one blogger couldn't figure this out....you have to totally back off to a closed throttle. and then press the MODE button. When you see S replace T...you are good to go. Again...by the sound, I think you were ripping it in a gentle mapped Tour Mode. Cheers!

 

Cheers n' Beers!

 

Joe

Edited May 6, 2018 by YamahaParExcellence

[Flyinfool]

What unfriend you or anyone else over this? Surly you jest.......

This is just getting warmed up.

 

:icon_lurker: :icon_lurker:

[YamahaParExcellence]

YamahaParExcellence...you do realize I'm just yankin yer chain eh?

 

As I said, I'm super envious .. wish I had the finances to get a new Venture but now that I'm retired, it's just not within my reach ... unless of course I wins the Lotto!

 

Of course...I have a massive laugh gauge....and that is what I hope will keep me riding into my 90's....and BTW...I have been in the past...truly accused of being a, as Puc calls it...a 'shill' for whatever...and only because I have a personality generated huge passion for Life...and for detail. My wife gags...as I always want to delve in, in the lowest level of detail...when she always counsels me...to 'Hon..in an conversation amongst our friends...START AT A HIGH LEVEL...and if someone is interested...they will ask you for more details. Sometimes...I have YET, in my 60's, to have learned that lesson. Totally Mia Culpa!

 

You honestly know when your wife truly loves you...for they are still here...sticking it out with ya...despite all about yourself that p*sses them OFF! So..in that regard, I have a Gold Mine at home! I am a rich man, in that regard!

 

Cheers,

 

Joe

[YamahaParExcellence]

What unfriend you or anyone else over this? Surly you jest.......

This is just getting warmed up.

 

:icon_lurker: :icon_lurker:

 

LOL...it did get people wondering...what the heck is this guy talking about.... cha-chink!

 

Cheers...and I love the pop-corn...as well as Puc's standing on the Soap Box animated icon...I could have included that in my diatribe...lol!

 

All is good this morning...got a good sleep...and can except any and all internet traffic, lol. Of course, with coffee in hand...of course!

[YamahaParExcellence]

YamahaParExcellence...you do realize I'm just yankin yer chain eh?

 

As I said, I'm super envious .. wish I had the finances to get a new Venture but now that I'm retired, it's just not within my reach ... unless of course I wins the Lotto!

 

Can you send your wife out to work...you know...part time..."Hon...for the bike...for the bike" Would that work?

On a serous bent...of course at 65, I could retire and start a pension...but I have delayed that for another 5 years...so to erase any trace of the payout, that I had to do, to enact purchase on the SVTC, as well as have the funds set aside to enjoy her, on vacations, journey's etc. So...70 in our household, is the new '55/65. We are both good with that...for having Charlotte 3 was important to our lifestyle for the both of us.. In that regard, the worker, needs to work a little more, before hanging it up...lol!

 

Cheers,

[XV1100SE]

If people think this post was just typed by the fingers or a Yamaha Shrill...than there is nothing I can do about that...and they will then merely have to write off any further, and past forum content from myself, if any comes. That has been always the choice of the reader, Puc.

 

I don't consider you a "shrill". Just someone passionate about bikes and excited about their new ride. Nothing wrong with that.

 

As I mentioned in the other thread I think Yamaha produced a great bike. Any heat from the motor will be no more than any other and probably less than experienced on other bikes because of the vents and design of the motor.

 

To all the SVCT members...when first released several of us here were disappointed in one thing primarily. Our idea of a touring bike includes more than 2 cylinders. With the SVCT it has everything a great touring bike should have. Our concern (sorry to speak for others) is that without liquid cooling the v-twin will be like other bikes like the Harley in putting out heat. For riding in hot summer days for endless miles in a day until we get more ride reports the jury is out on whether it runs hot or not. And those comments pro and con have to be considered to be personal opinion.

 

All I can say is enjoy your ride and I look forward to meeting some of you and hearing your ride reports.

[YamahaParExcellence]

I don't consider you a "shrill". Just someone passionate about bikes and excited about their new ride. Nothing wrong with that.

 

As I mentioned in the other thread I think Yamaha produced a great bike. Any heat from the motor will be no more than any other and probably less than experienced on other bikes because of the vents and design of the motor.

 

To all the SVCT members...when first released several of us here were disappointed in one thing primarily. Our idea of a touring bike includes more than 2 cylinders. With the SVCT it has everything a great touring bike should have. Our concern (sorry to speak for others) is that without liquid cooling the v-twin will be like other bikes like the Harley in putting out heat. For riding in hot summer days for endless miles in a day until we get more ride reports the jury is out on whether it runs hot or not. And those comments pro and con have to be considered to be personal opinion.

 

All I can say is enjoy your ride and I look forward to meeting some of you and hearing your ride reports.

 

Right, Don, and good morning! My altered take, is that Yamaha could (and probably did...) outright buy one or three top end, highest capacity HD's..and track tested them...as Puc wants to do...infrared the top ends about the exhaust seats...(and head area that houses them), and then tore them apart. As head of design metrics, this would be my game plan!

 

The SVTC comes with Ceramic embedded cylinder wall coatings, that cause less internal heat generation in friction, a better transfer of heat vector to the outside cooling fin tips, and then of course, the actual cooling shelves and sq inches of each fin on the Jugs. They (Yamaha Engineering) had the luxury of no time RTM deadline, had time to see what the competition had...and better it...all in all. It is my opinion, that it might be, that their v-twin solution, could be the most cool operating of all the v-twins. As you say...as more of us take to the roads this summer...I'm sure we are going to post...the yay's...and nay's. I certainly will, if anybody's interested. We will be touring in mid summer...that's for sure. Two up...packed up...and while I'm not going to bother with a technical read on top end or mid air fin actual hard temperatures...I am going to speak to the human logistics, and ergonomics. If we are comfortable, in our summer riding gear...the bike loaded to the gills...that's all that matters to us. I couldn't give a fig, about what the head temps reach....but only if they reach output that we find ourselves wishing to be anywhere but on the bike. My expectations, with so many millions of Yamaha's green back, skin in the game, and for the professional reputations of the entire design team, as well as the following engineering team...speaks to me, that we won't have any touring comfort issues whatsoever. I just bet...that they had a camouflaged model, operating in southern California...the Bonneville Flats, perhaps Death Valley...and if I were part of the developmental team...and knew that North America is where this bike will be RTM'ed....than that would have been the 'acid test'. To think that Yamaha would not do this...before RTM, with full up two riding...sand bags in all the storage to weight out to designed weight capacity, would think that they by not doing of what I just describe in R and D...would amount to be gross negligence, and the Lead Team head's boardroom discussion for termination. I think...with all of the mentioned...I place my faith in Yama Mama...and the billions of R & D, funds at their disposal. My wife and I, shall be the benefactors of those billions of R & D dollars. After my break in...we two going on our first tour...will be the rice in the pudding!

Edited May 6, 2018 by YamahaParExcellence

[Flyinfool]

LOL...it did get people wondering...what the heck is this guy talking about.... cha-chink!

 

Cheers...and I love the pop-corn...as well as Puc's standing on the Soap Box animated icon...I could have included that in my diatribe...lol!

 

All is good this morning...got a good sleep...and can except any and all internet traffic, lol. Of course, with coffee in hand...of course!

 

Drinking while reading this site has ruined more than one keyboard and/or monitor due to a very sudden and uncontrollable need to LOL

[SilvrT]

Can you send your wife out to work...you know...part time..."Hon...for the bike...for the bike" Would that work?

On a serous bent...of course at 65, I could retire and start a pension...but I have delayed that for another 5 years...so to erase any trace of the payout, that I had to do, to enact purchase on the SVTC, as well as have the funds set aside to enjoy her, on vacations, journey's etc. So...70 in our household, is the new '55/65. We are both good with that...for having Charlotte 3 was important to our lifestyle for the both of us.. In that regard, the worker, needs to work a little more, before hanging it up...lol!

 

Cheers,

 

We bought and paid for our last bike (a 2013 Victory CCT) by 2015, We also bought and paid for our home between 2014 and 2017. On top of tha we bought and paid for our 5th wheel trailer so that when we both retired at age 70 we could do a 9 month tour of Canada and the USA. These were all things we set out to do and did. We sold the bike and the home and now we're looking to buy another home in a different area. That's where our money is now going .. another motorcycle just isn't in that plan. However, plans do change LOL

[bongobobny]

Yah! We're pretty thick-skinned around here, and there ALWAYS has been a friendly rivalry between 1st Gen owners and 2nd Gen owners, so why should 3rd Gens be any different???

[ChiefGunner]

I don't consider you a "shrill". Just someone passionate about bikes and excited about their new ride. Nothing wrong with that.

 

As I mentioned in the other thread I think Yamaha produced a great bike. Any heat from the motor will be no more than any other and probably less than experienced on other bikes because of the vents and design of the motor.

 

To all the SVCT members...when first released several of us here were disappointed in one thing primarily. Our idea of a touring bike includes more than 2 cylinders. With the SVCT it has everything a great touring bike should have. Our concern (sorry to speak for others) is that without liquid cooling the v-twin will be like other bikes like the Harley in putting out heat. For riding in hot summer days for endless miles in a day until we get more ride reports the jury is out on whether it runs hot or not. And those comments pro and con have to be considered to be personal opinion.

 

All I can say is enjoy your ride and I look forward to meeting some of you and hearing your ride reports.

 

I’ll let you know how my trip goes. Riding up to Pennsylvania to spend a couple days with a friend riding around his area. Temps the day up are gonna be 86. Day I’m coming back is supposed to be 92 & it’s about 8.5hrs trip each way.

[RDawson]

Yah! We're pretty thick-skinned around here, and there ALWAYS has been a friendly rivalry between 1st Gen owners and 2nd Gen owners, so why should 3rd Gens be any different???

 

So those of us who have both 1st and 2nd gens have a 2-1 advantage of these 3genners right? That's how I read it. :witch_brew:

[bongobobny]

So those of us who have both 1st and 2nd gens have a 2-1 advantage of these 3genners right? That's how I read it. :witch_brew:

EXACTLY!! We have the right to KNOW what is good and not so good for both generations!!

[XV1100SE]

So those of us who have both 1st and 2nd gens have a 2-1 advantage of these 3genners right? That's how I read it. :witch_brew:

 

You have it 8-to-2 (in cylinders) !