clutch bleeder valve location!

[camos]

2nd Gens do NOT have linked brakes, so no midship bleeder...

Huh, well that's a surprise to me. Totally did not know that. Interesting that Yamaha got rid of that feature.

[bongobobny]

Cheaper, Better, Faster (choose two)

[s.tyler58]

Cheaper, Better, Faster (choose two)

 

I used to be a printer and has this sign behind behind my desk.

"PRICE, QUALITY or SPEED.

Choose any Two."

 

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[camos]

Cheaper, Better, Faster (choose two)

Can I?

OK then my way is cheaper, equally good and probably faster since it is not necessary to find where I would have put that vacuum pump that I used a year ago.

There you have it.

[Condor]

Can I?

OK then my way is cheaper, equally good and probably faster since it is not necessary to find where I would have put that vacuum pump that I used a year ago.

There you have it.

 

So Camos, educate me. How are you able to pump the clutch lever fast enough to keep the air moving down toward the bleeder valve and not get DOT 3 all over the place??? Now if you're talking about a full airless system with a speed bleeder, you don't need to pump the lever fast...slow will do..

[camos]

So Camos, educate me. How are you able to pump the clutch lever fast enough to keep the air moving down toward the bleeder valve and not get DOT 3 all over the place??? Now if you're talking about a full airless system with a speed bleeder, you don't need to pump the lever fast...slow will do..

Despite the obvious flaws in your premise, I will treat this as a real question.

The air in the system is encased in a viscous fluid so as it is being pumped down and out the air is trying to rise due to the affects of gravity but it's rate of movement is slowed by that viscosity. Pumping the fluid fast enough carries the air faster than it can rise. Pumping slowly allows the air to rise farther than it would when pumping faster so more fluid will need to be pumped out when done at a slow rate that when done quickly. With or without a speed bleeder. Also, a vacuum pump will move the fluid quite fast so does it not make sense to manually pump the fluid faster than slower?

 

Pumping fast or slow has nothing to do with getting DOT 3 or 4 or 5 all over the place. The waste fluid goes through the hose attached to the bleeder valve into a container. If you are thinking of the back flow squirt at the MC, putting the lid on solves that.

 

The speed bleeder has nothing to do with the rate of flow, it simply prevents air from being drawn back into the system when the flow stops. When does the flow stop? At every release of the lever there is a back flow which is part of the design of the system which, of course, is why the brakes don't stay on when the lever is released. Keeping a head of fluid at a normal bleeder valve accomplishes the same thing as a speed bleeder making them unnecessary.

 

This is pretty simple stuff.

[Condor]

Despite the obvious flaws in your premise, I will treat this as a real question.

The air in the system is encased in a viscous fluid so as it is being pumped down and out the air is trying to rise due to the affects of gravity but it's rate of movement is slowed by that viscosity. Pumping the fluid fast enough carries the air faster than it can rise. Pumping slowly allows the air to rise farther than it would when pumping faster so more fluid will need to be pumped out when done at a slow rate that when done quickly. With or without a speed bleeder. Also, a vacuum pump will move the fluid quite fast so does it not make sense to manually pump the fluid faster than slower?

 

Pumping fast or slow has nothing to do with getting DOT 3 or 4 or 5 all over the place. The waste fluid goes through the hose attached to the bleeder valve into a container. If you are thinking of the back flow squirt at the MC, putting the lid on solves that.

 

The speed bleeder has nothing to do with the rate of flow, it simply prevents air from being drawn back into the system when the flow stops. When does the flow stop? At every release of the lever there is a back flow which is part of the design of the system which, of course, is why the brakes don't stay on when the lever is released. Keeping a head of fluid at a normal bleeder valve accomplishes the same thing as a speed bleeder making them unnecessary.

 

This is pretty simple stuff.

 

The only flaw I can see is your reading comprehension and BWBS response to the obvious question. So I'll try once again. How do you pump the lever rapidly (sic) enough to over come the rise of air bubbles in the system when you have to replace the reserve cover between pumps to contain the 'squirt' of DOT 3 fluid from the expansion hole in the base of the reserve. And yes it has everything to do with making a mess using your 'idea' of properly bleeding a clutch. After reading some of your ideas I question whether you really ever have bled a clutch except in your mind ?? I just hope that no one tries to follow your instructions... Hopefully common sense will prevail...

[camos]

The only flaw I can see is your reading comprehension and BWBS response to the obvious question. So I'll try once again. How do you pump the lever rapidly (sic) enough to over come the rise of air bubbles in the system when you have to replace the reserve cover between pumps to contain the 'squirt' of DOT 3 fluid from the expansion hole in the base of the reserve. And yes it has everything to do with making a mess using your 'idea' of properly bleeding a clutch. After reading some of your ideas I question whether you really ever have bled a clutch except in your mind ?? I just hope that no one tries to follow your instructions... Hopefully common sense will prevail...

Well Jack you are now being your usually obtuse and cantankerous self so I will let you stew on this little rant.

[Condor]

Really??... Stew?? Cantankerous?? Curious...Yep.. Concerned..Yep...

Using common sense.. Absolutely..