Anyone noticed?

[Hummingbird]

those that can "DO"

 

Those that can't cry about those that can

[Kretz]

Now if it was someone from South of Canada that made the shot....they'd be making a movie about it !

:-p

 

Talk about ... (but Na!.... they wouldn't do that!)

[RandyR]

Talk about ... (but Na!.... they wouldn't do that!)

 

We would have probably used an 81mm mortar and cleared the field. Not as sporting though.

[Guest divey]

No offense to my friends here....but Hollywood over does so many things..."based on a true story"... and it's ra ra this and ra ra that.... and the next thing you know the sniper killed 10 people at 5km with one bullet. Lots of explosions, maybe an alien or two....and of course the nationality of the "hero" is changed.

 

And by the way....The following (and many many more) are all from Canada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_inventions) :

- basketball originated in Canada

- The Superman character was co-created by Canadian artist Joseph Shuster.

- the telephone was created in Canada with the first call made between Brantford Ontario and Paris Ontario

- in the Lone Ranger tv series years ago, Tonto was born on the 6th Nations reserve near Brantford Ontario

- Walkie Talkie

- Amplitude modulation

- Canola

- Standard Time

- Cesium Beam atomic clock

- the pager and Blackberry

- hydrofoil boat

- first commercial jetliner design

- snowmobile

- snow shoes

- variable-pitch propeller

- electric wheel chair

- prostetic hand

- snow blower and rotary snow plow for rail roads

- military gas mask

- sonar

- G-suit

- lacrosse

- ice hockey (of course) - followed by the hard jock strap and the goalie mask (not sure which one was first)

- instant replays

- five pin bowling

- Trivial Persuit

- Pablum

- Easy Off oven cleaner

- garbage bags

- Caesar cocktail

- cardiac pacemaker

- alkaline battery

- caulking gun

- egg carton

- electric oven

- paint rollers

- Robertson screw driver

- Collerete ladder (fire fighting)

- Canadarm

- maple syrup

- ginger ale

- news print

- electron microscope

 

...and our contributions to music - Celine Dione - I'll link rather than list - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Canada

... and to Hollywood - Ryan Gosling, Rachel McAdams, Jim Carrey, James Cameron, Donald Sutherland, Keanu Reeves, Mike Meyers, Kim Cattral, William Shatner, Dan Akroyd, Michael J. Fox, Martin Short, Pamela Anderson, John Candy.............

 

On July 1st....Canada celebrates our 150th anniversary as an independent nation. Join us in a toast !

 

Oh....and did I also mention....the record for the longest kill by a sniper? CANADIAN !!!!!

 

Both of our great countries have many firsts and accomplishments that we're proud of. I fail to see the need to smear it in the others face. As the saying goes "It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear ignorant than to open it and remove all doubt." Doug

[Condor]

"Making a kill shot at 2.5 miles is just plain luck. The only skill required is pointing the gun in the general direction and have a bushel basket full of ammo."........that's almost offensive, considering the training that these people put in and the skill set that they have. That's like saying it was just luck that that biker was able to avoid that deer, or that collision....what happened to the years of riding, the experience gained, perhaps the riding courses taken to get that degree of skill.

 

While you may not believe the story, let's not smear those skilled people that put the lives on the line.

I think I already alluded to the skill of these marksman, but if what your saying is true they'd be training a 2+ miles... Why don't they? 'Cause it's luck and a waste of ammo. Every round of 50BMG runs around 8-9 bucks. Custom loads are insane...

 

[Guest]

There's no question some luck comes into play but let's be realistic here.......there's a lot more to making that shot then just "pointing the gun in the general direction and have a bushel basket full of ammo". Those types of comments are without merit. Might as well say there's nothing more to safely riding a motorcycle then to sit on it a twist the throttle.

 

Let's give credit where it's do.....that sniper deserves all the glory he...or she got.

[Sylvester]

The .50BMG is the distance king and is most likely what the sniper used.

 

[BlueSky]

I have some videos of Canadian Snipers making some long range kills on my old computer. I'll see if I can find them and load them for all to see.

[Kretz]

I have some videos of Canadian Snipers making some long range kills on my old computer. I'll see if I can find them and load them for all to see.

 

Not sure anyone wants "proof"

Those that don't believe or think that there is no skill & that it's all down to blind luck, are not going to change their minds, no matter what proof is put before them. People who don't believe will simply say the videos (or whatever other proof is supplied) are faked or altered.

In addition I just saw that for the first time ever a Canadian Infantry Soldier is commanding the "Royal Guard" (Queen's Guard) in the UK. The Royal Guard is charged with protecting the Sovereign & their Palaces. Oh! the Infantry Soldier also happens to be a woman! Go Canada!

not the first time a woman has commanded the Royal Guard but it is the first time an infantry soldier has

(but maybe that false news or it never happened either! LOL)

Edited June 27, 2017 by Kretz

[bongobobny]

Justin Bieber came from Canada too...

[Mopar4ever]

Justin Bieber came from Canada too...

 

Yeah, most of us try to forget that one LOL.

[Condor]

Justin Bieber came from Canada too...

So did Peter Jennings....

[Condor]

There's no question some luck comes into play but let's be realistic here.......there's a lot more to making that shot then just "pointing the gun in the general direction and have a bushel basket full of ammo". Those types of comments are without merit. Might as well say there's nothing more to safely riding a motorcycle then to sit on it a twist the throttle.

 

Let's give credit where it's do.....that sniper deserves all the glory he...or she got.

I don't think anyone here is bashing the skills of a trained military sniper. Where you read that in this thread is a mystery, or you're reading more into a post then is there. I also can't understand why everyone has a problem with the concept of luck, or that because of a snipers skill set luck doesn't come into play?? The skill of a sniper will make him, or her.. let's not forget the gender issue thing...luckier. You go Annie Oakley.. Which brings to mind... Are there any female military snipers?? The one shot..one kill motto doesn't come into play here. As far as kudos for the sniper... you bet. But it's a lot like a highly skilled basketball player sinking a basket from 3/4 court in the last second of the game for the win... Skill?.. You bet.. Luck? Absolutely...

[Kretz]

Hate to play the Devil's advocate here, but..... I don't believe it. At two miles how are they going to confirm the kill, and even if they did recover the body it would take a autopsy to see if the bullet was from his or another rifle?? We have a group of very skilled local shooters that hold long range competition and the longest is 2054 hitting a steel plate 6' in diameter. To hear the strike they have an open mike radio placed near by. I've seen pics of the spent rounds that have hit the plate, and some are barely dented. I seriously doubt there's enough shocking power left to do any damage?? The travel time was in the 11 sec range. With all the variables I guess I'm thinking it takes more luck than skill to make that sort of shot. My 2¢

 

Still don't believe it..... and it's still luck... I don't care how skillful the guy is... Even a blind squirrel will stumble on an acorn now and then..

 

No offense intended but I can see why people are "misunderstanding".... Your earlier posts imply (obviously to more than just me) that it's all luck & very little skill... especially with the comment about blind squirrels.... Just sayin'

[Guest]

Yup.

[Condor]

No offense intended but I can see why people are "misunderstanding".... Your earlier posts imply (obviously to more than just me) that it's all luck & very little skill... especially with the comment about blind squirrels.... Just sayin'

There go those reading comprehension skills again... Where did you find the 'ALL' in my first post????

 

 

Have to agree with you that it is a bit of both...

 

If the sniper was firing into a crowd and happened to hit someone....doesn't necessarily show skill if from a short distance. Consider 2.2 miles though...have to get the right elevation, consider wind direction to still hit the crowd let alone a single target....more skill required.

 

I think my big problem here is a lot of replies to this thread are given my those who haven't shot long range or have any idea just how many uncontrollable variables there are when trying to figure out trajectories at over 1000 yds.... One constant that I failed to bring up in previous posts is gravity. Directly from the Barrett site at 1500 yds a 50 BMG 660 gr bullet will drop 967 inches. That's 80 feet, and it gets worse from there on out. But for enlightenment's sake let's say it drops another 60 feet to 2400 yds.. 80+60=120 feet drop!! That's a lot of elevation to factor in. And that's only part of it.

 

Now...same distance, target is a 6' tall person of average weight. Kill zone is less than half of that on the body....so maybe a 2' kill zone on the body (head, upper torso, excluding shoulders, arms)...To make the shot at a stationary target consistently would be skill. To have the bullet travel 11 seconds and anticipating where the target would be when the bullet gets there...intentionally....skill.

 

 

Another way to look at it....you are bowling and faced with a 7/10 split (back row corners) and you make it one out of 100 times - luck.

Dang!! I've bowled a lot and have never been lucky enough to make a 7-10, or seen one made for that matter... Sigh!!

 

Now say the alley is 2 miles long and you make it with your first shot. Skill. Maybe make it on your second shot and not the first....still skill.

How 'bout on the 4th or 5th ball.... At 2 miles I'd be lucky to keep it on the alley....

[camos]

One constant that I failed to bring up in previous posts is gravity. Directly from the Barrett site at 1500 yds a 50 BMG 660 gr bullet will drop 967 inches. That's 80 feet, and it gets worse from there on out. But for enlightenment's sake let's say it drops another 60 feet to 2400 yds.. 80+60=120 feet drop!! That's a lot of elevation to factor in. And that's only part of it.

Just to add more "luck" the sniper fired from a rooftop of unspecified height. Well, at least I can't remember how high it was, one, two or three stories.

 

Just keeps getting more amazing...ly lucky.

[RandyR]

don't forget curvature of the earth.

[RandyR]

re: women long range shooters

 

During WWII one of the most feared (and celebrated) units of the war included a Russian woman sniper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_Pavlichenko credited with 309 kills. The web page is interesting reading. She was the first Russian of the war to tour Canada and the USA and meet President Roosevelt.

 

Pavlichenko had the option of becoming a nurse but refused; "I joined the army when women were not yet accepted".^[6] There she became one of 2,000 female snipers in the Red Army, of whom about 500 survived the war. In early August 1941 she made her first two kills as a sniper near Belyayevka, using a Tokarev SVT-40 semi-automatic rifle with 3.5X telescopic sight

 

In the US there is a growing number of women shooters who have been challenging for the top spot in matches. I was at Camp Perry when a female Marine shooter took top honors (not just top woman) for Service Rifle and another year when Nancy Gallagher and her 2 daughters dominated the 1,000 yard events.

 

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/michelle-gallagher/

 

Nancy, Sherri, and Michelle — The Tompkins/Gallager Clan

There are three more ladies, champions all, who should be included in the Top 50 list. We would definitely add Nancy Tompkins, and daughters Sherri Gallagher and Michelle Gallagher to this list. Nancy and Sherri are the only two women in history to have won the National High Power championship. Michelle Gallagher has won the Long Range National championship and she also serves as the coach of the U.S.A. F-Open team at the 2017 F-Class World Championships. Nancy Tompkins has rightly been called the “First Lady of American Shooting” and rightly so. You won’t find a nicer person, or a more talented shooter. Sherri, currently with the U.S. Army Golden Knights parachute Team, was an ace shooter with the USAMU squad who earned U.S. Army’s Soldier of the Year honors in 2010.

 

And more recently in the news have been stories of women snipers fighting with the Kurdish militia. http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-40430552/female-kurdish-sniper-cheats-death-at-hands-of-is

[CaseyJ955]

Many years ago I saw a documentary on the female Russian snipers, very impressive and I have never forgotten it.

[Condor]

For all you folks north of the boarder, here's a female Canadian trap shooter worth mentioning. Susan Natrass. The targets are definitely different but the skill is there. Sue was 9 years younger and dated my co-worker Tom Garrigus (Silver Medal Olympic International Trap Mexico) for a while. If I remember her dad owned the Levi Distributorship around Toronto??

 

On the female Russian snipers. Here's a colorized pic of a few of them that was posted on a gun collector site. Of the original 2000 Russian women snipers of WWII only 500 survived...

 

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/19/11/3F60127200000578-0-image-a-36_1492596416036.jpg

Edited June 28, 2017 by Condor

[cowpuc]

Key thing is, the sniper and his spotter made the shot an took out an ISIS militant and saved several lives. Shot calculated, shot taken, scratch one ISIS soldier. I lean towards skill but even if you think it was luck....thank you to our military for their services.

 

""scratch one ISIS soldier"" = BINGO!!!!!!!!!

 

""thank you to our military for their services."" = DOUBLE BINGO!!! = a HUGE thank you to ALL those folks out there fighting to keep the free world FREE!!

 

IMHO - one of the things that having taken full advantage of our countries 2nd Amendment rights thru the years has taught me (and obviously others) thru a life time of shooting experience is just how difficult it becomes to score a hit as the range increases.. I personally have shot out to 1000 yards with a 7 mag, thru an 18 power scope and gotta say - everything has to be perfect just to keep your ammo from bouncing off the rocks in the canyon floor between you and your target on the mountain side your shootin at.. To folks not familiar with attempting such a thing,, trying to explain to them simple things like just the affect of touching the trigger on the weapon and seeing your heart beat in the scope is hard to understand - and this is thru a measly 18 power scope shooting 1000 yards.. Cant even begin to imagine +2 miles thru optics powerful enough to show a kill zone and not be computer assisted somehow .. 1760 yards x 2 (2 miles) is a longggg ways.. One thing for sure - regardless of how that Canuckian sniper did it (and I am PROUD of him for doing so - HATS OFF TO YOU MY BROTHER!!) - I sure am glad he is on our side!!!

 

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK OUT THERE!!!!!

[Yammer Dan]

""scratch one ISIS soldier"" = BINGO!!!!!!!!!

 

""thank you to our military for their services."" = DOUBLE BINGO!!! = a HUGE thank you to ALL those folks out there fighting to keep the free world FREE!!

 

IMHO - one of the things that having taken full advantage of our countries 2nd Amendment rights thru the years has taught me (and obviously others) thru a life time of shooting experience is just how difficult it becomes to score a hit as the range increases.. I personally have shot out to 1000 yards with a 7 mag, thru an 18 power scope and gotta say - everything has to be perfect just to keep your ammo from bouncing off the rocks in the canyon floor between you and your target on the mountain side your shootin at.. To folks not familiar with attempting such a thing,, trying to explain to them simple things like just the affect of touching the trigger on the weapon and seeing your heart beat in the scope is hard to understand - and this is thru a measly 18 power scope shooting 1000 yards.. Cant even begin to imagine +2 miles thru optics powerful enough to show a kill zone and not be computer assisted somehow .. 1760 yards x 2 (2 miles) is a longggg ways.. One thing for sure - regardless of how that Canuckian sniper did it (and I am PROUD of him for doing so - HATS OFF TO YOU MY BROTHER!!) - I sure am glad he is on our side!!!

 

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK OUT THERE!!!!!

 

 

[WildBill1]

Don't know much about a .50 cal sniper rifle had a lot of experience shooting a .50 cal auto at 500 to 600 meters mounted on a ring mount tracked personnel carrier. One them things that happens in life that only occurs then and only then. Would I do it again in a heart beat . Awesome power and adrenaline rush and living life to the max.

[Kretz]

Just came across this, haven't watched it all yet, but it's supposed to be an analysis of that shot.

Just thought you may be interested...

It's supposed to be a link to the video but it posts it here, sorry if that's not allowed please delete.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzwY6jIwr2o

 

One thing that comes over on this thread is that we are ALL thankful for & indebted to our military & those who serve. To the guys & ladies that are willing to offer up everything to protect our lives & our safety, whether they be Canadian, US, UK whatever.

We are proud of them, support & thank them all for their service & I for one wish them all the luck in the world. Stay safe, alive & return home to your loved ones. Thank You All!

Edited June 30, 2017 by Kretz