New Star Venture

[snyper316]

I called my local dealer to get on one of these demos they won't be doing that but they ordered one.... I asked about test ride they told me they don't do that so I ask how they do they sell a bike then and basically you have to buy the bike... Wth kind of stealership is that...

 

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Edited July 26, 2017 by snyper316

[cowpuc]

I doubt they will let the new Venture sit and idle. It ain't designed for that and will overheat regardless of whether your legs get hot. The fins and the oil cooler might keep the engine cool while riding but it just isn't possible for it to stay cool sitting and idling.

 

I have a hunch that you are probably correct on this assumption Sky BUT,, with video documentation running - I plan to ask them to then show me how the GPS that directs you around all traffic jams, including natural and unnatural works so you never get caught in traffic and I am also going inquire into how exactly the special licensing works that allows a person to utilize the "Authorized Vehicles Only" turn arounds on the interstates that one would have use in the event that an accident happened somewhere before the GPS could plan the riders escape to avoid getting caught in the same...

I know one thing,, Tip/Tweeks and I were down riding the Dragon with a buddy and his wife on their Harley a couple years ago and we all got caught up in a big traffic jam - came out of no where.. It wasnt all that warm - maybe 100.. Even with the rear cylinder shut down - My friends wife was getting burned so bad we had to pull off and wait for traffic to clear before proceeding.

[BlueSky]

Cowpuc, one thing I'd really like you to ask the Yamaha rep is what is the specification for maximum allowable oil temperature.

 

There is an online LA Sheriffs dept test of potential police bikes back in 2009 as I remember and oil temp is one of the things they checked to see if it was within the manufacturers specification. According to the test report, the two Harley's that were tested had a maximum allowable oil temperature spec of 410 degrees F! That it amazing to me. As I remember the BMW R bike had a maximum oil temp spec of 300 degrees F. I think the R bike has partial or supplemental water cooling. The rest of the bikes were water cooled and were speced in the range of about 260 degrees F maximum.

[cowpuc]

Cowpuc, one thing I'd really like you to ask the Yamaha rep is what is the specification for maximum allowable oil temperature.

 

There is an online LA Sheriffs dept test of potential police bikes back in 2009 as I remember and oil temp is one of the things they checked to see if it was within the manufacturers specification. According to the test report, the two Harley's that were tested had a maximum allowable oil temperature spec of 410 degrees F! That it amazing to me. As I remember the BMW R bike had a maximum oil temp spec of 300 degrees F. I think the R bike has partial or supplemental water cooling. The rest of the bikes were water cooled and were speced in the range of about 260 degrees F maximum.

 

Rock n roll brother = think what I'll do is make a copy of this thread and go down the list lookin for answers.. THAT is a REALLY good question Sky!!!

[Condor]

Well I'll be horn swoggled..!! I just received an email from Yamaha and they are going to have one of the new 'tourer's' available for a test ride at a dealer right here in River City... Yep, Roseville Yamaha is on the list for Aug 18/19. There's going to be one close enough that I'll be able to make it water cooled... My right knee is actually been feeling fairly good lately. Maybe I'll ride the '04 Venture/Voyager over to take a look...

[CMCOFFEY]

Well I'll be horn swoggled..!! I just received an email from Yamaha and they are going to have one of the new 'tourer's' available for a test ride at a dealer right here in River City... Yep, Roseville Yamaha is on the list for Aug 18/19. There's going to be one close enough that I'll be able to make it water cooled... My right knee is actually been feeling fairly good lately. Maybe I'll ride the '04 Venture/Voyager over to take a look...

 

If you have an MK1, you should ride that over there. I will be riding my 84 to test ride the 18 whenever one gets semi close to me. show everyone where the bike came from.

[Condor]

If you have an MK1, you should ride that over there. I will be riding my 84 to test ride the 18 whenever one gets semi close to me. show everyone where the bike came from.

 

Wish I did. That would be a hoot... Unfortunately all my 1stGens are non-op's. Wish I still had my '83VR. Here's a pic from better days.

 

[videoarizona]

Well I'll be horn swoggled..!! I just received an email from Yamaha and they are going to have one of the new 'tourer's' available for a test ride at a dealer right here in River City... Yep, Roseville Yamaha is on the list for Aug 18/19. There's going to be one close enough that I'll be able to make it water cooled... My right knee is actually been feeling fairly good lately. Maybe I'll ride the '04 Venture/Voyager over to take a look...

 

 

If one comes near me, I will take the 1st Gen for sure! Then maybe show up on day 2 on the 2nd gen!!

Funny!!

[camos]

If you have an MK1, you should ride that over there. I will be riding my 84 to test ride the 18 whenever one gets semi close to me. show everyone where the bike came from.

Really?

There in nothing on the new Yamaharley that came from either a Gen 1 or a Gen 2. It's a ploy, the evil low life Yamaha mad men harvested the name for its creds. Not a very honest thing for Yamaha to do.

[cowpuc]

Personally I still think someone,, Arlen Ness?, from Polaris jumped ship and sprinkled some Victory pixie dust on Mom Yam or something... That thing sure looks more Victoryish than Yamaha to these ol Cowpuc eyes!!

I am hoping to do EXACTLY what @CMCOFFEY suggested and gonna take Tweeksis in all her glory and park er right out front of the Yam Shop in Sturgis during the Rally,, again, and go climb on one of those new ones to do a little shadow boxing!! This will be the second time Tweeksis has chased this this thang - first one out in New York didnt fair so well (no test riding) but I gotta hunch this time will be different!!

[RandyR]

found this Utube eye candy

 

[Freebird]

The more I see it, the more I like it.

[Dragonslayer]

I think it looks cool, just can't get past air cooled v-twin. And the price. Not in my immediate future.

[Condor]

I think it looks cool, just can't get past air cooled v-twin. And the price. Not in my immediate future.

 

Yep, Me too.... I even like the analog speedo and tach... I just wonder if you can log onto the internet and get on VentureRider.org with all that techno glitz?? Lifetime XM?? The price is right there with the Indian Chieftain, and under the Roadmaster with like equipment... And in sync with the Electra Glide UC with not as much glitz... Like a '58 Chevy it's growing on me... Gawd I wish I were 20 years younger....!!

[cowpuc]

The more I see it, the more I like it.

 

fyi,, Tip has spent time on lots of HD's (close friends own em - they share =plus demo's) n plenti of Indians. Her take: new Yam is no where near as hot on her legs as other air cooled V-Twins.. Fact is, Mom Yam did amazing job of rider peg placement and rider positioning for this imho. Tip also reports back rest for her "frame" = sets to low for her comfort = she is 5' 8" - think eileen is shorter - may fit her perfect brother! Tip never liked HD seating,, she liked this one. She did not feel like she was sitting to high up like she did on a 2nd Gen or HD's. She also LOVE the buffeting protection on the windshield at full up - not as nice as our 1st Gens ihho BUT close!

I HAVE to have mid controls so I can stand up on pegs, also have to be able to stretch out - have always removed leggin fairings on my 1st Gens BUT, that said, this new one has plenty of room for long legs - think more roomy than ur Road Glide was and, being used to non removable leg guards (this one houses compenents like your 2nd gen down there) - could be no prob for you folks..

It is a NICE scoot = TOTAL Mom Yam quality - still miffed about no V-4 but slowly gettin over it lol..

As far as looks,, I think frame mounted fairing scoots are ugly = all of em.. Back when I was shippin Hogs to England the Tour Glides were NOT welcome because even over there some folks agreed with this.. That said,,,, I do think Mom Yam did put forth a valiant effort to build in some VERY sharp lines into the new one,,,,, still think someone from Polaris/Victory helped though LOL

[snyper316]

But can we ride this bike with shorts and sandles on?

 

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[cowpuc]

But can we ride this bike with shorts and sandles on?

 

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No... lol

I know EXACTLY what your askin Snype cause I like to take my shoes off an ride barefoot occasionally and no,, not a good plan on this one.. The oxy sensor on the pipes is right below your heal on the right side = cooked piggys for sure!!

[snyper316]

No... lol

I know EXACTLY what your askin Snype cause I like to take my shoes off an ride barefoot occasionally and no,, not a good plan on this one.. The oxy sensor on the pipes is right below your heal on the right side = cooked piggys for sure!!

I've done more then take my shoes off on bikes but.... Never street bikes.... I have already been told no by someone else to I would ask would it be wise to get boots instead of shoes? Btw it was Polaris four wheeler I'm talking about I consider that a bike of sorts...

 

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Edited August 11, 2017 by snyper316

[cecdoo]

Cant really complain about anything I see so far. Going to test ride one first chance I get. I actually believe that big V-Twin mite be more suited to the way I like to ride on a touring bike. I rarely bounce off the rev limiter on the RSV, but I do have to do alot of downshifting to keep it in the sweetspot. In my corner of the country we hardly ever get stuck in stop and go traffic, so I doubt heat would be a major problem. Rite now price is the only thing that bothers me, never spent that kind of $$$$$ on a bike.

 

Craig

[snyper316]

Heck not complaining it had been years since I owned a pair of pants... Had to go get some riding tinker also just had a light pair of ten is shoes... But she hasn't seemed as hot as that first summer.

 

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[Karaboo]

Well, I got a chance to ride the Indian Roadmaster so I could get a feel for the differences and similarities to the new Venture (which I rode at Red Wing). The Indian was a used model (2016 I think) with a few updates. It had LOUD exhaust, an intake kit and a cam kit. The first thing I noticed was the cable operated clutch. The dealer said it was done to get better "feel". It "felt" like my hand was getting sore after a few stop lights. It handled well at slow speed, but not any better than the Venture. It seemed to get up and move better than the Venture, but it may be because this Indian was "tuned" to work with the upgrades. I liked the air management on the Venture better than the Indian. The Indian did have a moveable windshield, but the Venture had other vents you could play with to get air flow. Speaking of air flow, this Indian really got warm in my short 15 mile ride. My right leg was cooking through my jeans every time I came to a stop or even slowed down. The Venture got kinda warm, but not that warm (and it was a warmer day).

The Indian gets more style points, but I could care less about style points. It seemed smaller than the Venture. I am only 5'-10" so it wasn't really cramped, but I was glad I wasn't taller.

The Indian just didn't feel like it should cost as much as they do. The Indian had some peculiar engine noise (even above that LOUD exhaust) and seemed to have an abrupt power band. The Venture felt smoother, more relaxed and more refined.

Bottom line, though, is neither one has the fun factor of a good first generation Venture when you feel playful.

[Condor]

IMHO... So I went to look at the V2 yesterday and... I know I'm gonna catch a lot of flack on this..., but quite frankly I wasn't impressed. There were a few things that I did like, but not enough to go WOW!!! The likes.. Huge trunk space, analog speedo and tach, seating. That's it. The dislikes.. It's a rolling computer and how many of us have a computer over five years old that hasn't crashed at least once. Too many distractions going on in front of you. One fella hovering around the display bike like a mother hen in the show room while waiting for a demo ride, was more worried about syncing his phone up and making a call while riding the demo then in riding comfort or performance. I think the whole touch screen concept idea is a hazard. When all senses need to be on alert too many distractions and decisions are going on in front of you. When we need to be more worried about that car about to pull out of that driveway, or the car next to you pulling into your lane, or the potential left hand looey, we have this entertainment system that I'm surprised doesn't pull in Netflix taking eyes, ears, and brain away from what's most important. Staying alive!! If I won the lotto would I buy one??... probably not. I guess I'm just old school. I don't even like listening to the radio on a 1st or 2ndGen... Watch the scenery. Leave the computing to the desktop.

 

 

 

 

[cowpuc]

IMHO... So I went to look at the V2 yesterday and... I know I'm gonna catch a lot of flack on this..., but quite frankly I wasn't impressed. There were a few things that I did like, but not enough to go WOW!!! The likes.. Huge trunk space, analog speedo and tach, seating. That's it. The dislikes.. It's a rolling computer and how many of us have a computer over five years old that hasn't crashed at least once. Too many distractions going on in front of you. One fella hovering around the display bike like a mother hen in the show room while waiting for a demo ride, was more worried about syncing his phone up and making a call while riding the demo then in riding comfort or performance. I think the whole touch screen concept idea is a hazard. When all senses need to be on alert too many distractions and decisions are going on in front of you. When we need to be more worried about that car about to pull out of that driveway, or the car next to you pulling into your lane, or the potential left hand looey, we have this entertainment system that I'm surprised doesn't pull in Netflix taking eyes, ears, and brain away from what's most important. Staying alive!! If I won the lotto would I buy one??... probably not. I guess I'm just old school. I don't even like listening to the radio on a 1st or 2ndGen... Watch the scenery. Leave the computing to the desktop.

 

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Hey Jack,, not to let cha down brother but I gotta a sneaking hunch even that analog speedo is a wanna be - nice stuff but I think its digital - may be wrong but when riding the thing it sure didnt act analog..

My friend,, IMHO,, you, once again NAILED IT = and I gladly link arms with you on what your saying here!! We have all experienced the voo doo that is happening out there in the real world with people on phones/texting while driving a car.. Talk about stupidity in action.. Now we are having this stuff put in front of on a MOTORCYCLE ,, and it is being given STAR BILLING therein ,,,, what has the modern day scoot rider become:icon_smile_question:icon_smile_question..

My neighbor,, who is like a brother to me,, see's me go by on my R1.. He is into HD's big time and has been for years - comes down with an AWESOME Carbon Fiber Helmet - hands it to me and says HERE = WEAR THIS when your riding that thang - GOOD NEIGHBOR!! Then he points to a blue tooth device on the side of it and says that particular one quit working but if I wanted a different one so I could listen to music while riding my R1 he had a bunch of em of which he would give me one.. I thanked him for the hat but at even the thought of being distracted on my bike....

Thankfully,, and this goes for all the brands selling this stuff with their new rides,,, all that stuff comes with an "off" switch so the rider can choose whether or not he/she wants to be distracted with the stuff..

[Condor]

Hey Jack,, not to let cha down brother but I gotta a sneaking hunch even that analog speedo is a wanna be - nice stuff but I think its digital - may be wrong but when riding the thing it sure didnt act analog..

 

The digital speedos on my RSV's jump in 5 mph increments. Besides being an LCD screen. And I hate that. That why I'm real partial to analog wrist watches, and if they're a smooth chronograph swing on the second.. that's even better. If that dial speedo on the V2 does the same thing you can scratch that one off my Like list. I don't see why they can't make a swing with 1 mph increments??? He11 they can do it for the tach. Why not for the speedo.?? OMVHO...

[snyper316]

Quickest way to find out is shut the key off.... That Speedo will go to zero. I did that in my truck the other night that Speedo went straight to zero. Analogs haven't been since the late 80s in some cars. Which I wouldn't have known this if I hadn't had to be pulled home couple of times and no Speedo.

 

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