New Star Venture

[BlueSky]

Those helmets black? Black appears to be the preferred color for helmets but it doesn't make sense to me.

[videoarizona]

Harley has been making motors for a long time...if they haven't figured out the heat issue it is unlikely Yamaha has.

 

Maybe not....

 

Back in the 60's and early 70's Harley was the king of racing at Daytona and over venues. They and Honda had every category sewed up.

Along comes this relatively new manufacturer, Yamaha, with its 2 cycle 250's and started to actually finish the races. Within a few years, they had out engineered Harley, Honda and the rest who laughed at 2 cycles and said there is no way you can achieve horsepower without sacrificing longevity. Back in those days, anyone running a 2 cycle would have to rebuild engine after each race...if they made it through the race to begin with. Yamaha did as well. BUT...they learned....and like I said...within a few years they not only had solved the heat problem but the scavaging problem and the spark problems with the high latency issues. The rest is history. Yamaha took the 250 and 350 classes against all 4 cycle comers and whupped them bad. They led the way for 2 cycles to come into mainstream USA as well...with well thought out manufacturing processes that enabled them to sell their bikes at a lower price point than Honda or Harley, putting them in the back seat for sales. Honda woke up first, but still stuck with 4 cycles. I remember running rings around Hondas and their ilk with my YDS6C Yamaha.

 

Our beloved V4 is another case in point. Look at the engineering in that engine. Has been able to run forever and still crank out almost 200 hp! Granted it has slightly different innards, but the point remains...it's well engineered.

 

My money is on Yamaha. I'm betting they have figured out a way to keep our legs cooler with air flow (they say they have) just as they have figured out a way to keep the motor cool by using the oil more efficiently. I haven't heard that Yamaha has a "Parade Mode" on the new Venture....so....

[cowpuc]

Maybe not....

 

Back in the 60's and early 70's Harley was the king of racing at Daytona and over venues. They and Honda had every category sewed up.

Along comes this relatively new manufacturer, Yamaha, with its 2 cycle 250's and started to actually finish the races. Within a few years, they had out engineered Harley, Honda and the rest who laughed at 2 cycles and said there is no way you can achieve horsepower without sacrificing longevity. Back in those days, anyone running a 2 cycle would have to rebuild engine after each race...if they made it through the race to begin with. Yamaha did as well. BUT...they learned....and like I said...within a few years they not only had solved the heat problem but the scavaging problem and the spark problems with the high latency issues. The rest is history. Yamaha took the 250 and 350 classes against all 4 cycle comers and whupped them bad. They led the way for 2 cycles to come into mainstream USA as well...with well thought out manufacturing processes that enabled them to sell their bikes at a lower price point than Honda or Harley, putting them in the back seat for sales. Honda woke up first, but still stuck with 4 cycles. I remember running rings around Hondas and their ilk with my YDS6C Yamaha.

 

Our beloved V4 is another case in point. Look at the engineering in that engine. Has been able to run forever and still crank out almost 200 hp! Granted it has slightly different innards, but the point remains...it's well engineered.

 

My money is on Yamaha. I'm betting they have figured out a way to keep our legs cooler with air flow (they say they have) just as they have figured out a way to keep the motor cool by using the oil more efficiently. I haven't heard that Yamaha has a "Parade Mode" on the new Venture....so....

 

TOTALLY trackin here bro - not that I am still not TOTALLY numb cause I wanted that new bike to be another V-Maxerized Venture sooooooooo badly that I went all the way to NY cause I couldnt wait to see the amaz,,,, never mind,, didnt happen,, oh well...

Anyway, INDEED Vaz - you lop eared varmint - you are on the right trail - endless possibilities there are..

IMHO - one of the things that could be done is creating an "oil jacket" around the bore of the jug - just like the jacket on a water cooled scoot. Then pump oil around it.. Do the same with the heads.. Flow the oil out to cool say inside of a well built heat sync aluminum swing arm. Dry sump that lady.. Have more than one oil pump - one just for cooling purposes just like a water pump system..

In all honesty,, I wish I would have kept my emotions in check at the unveiling = once I heard a "V-Twin" speak I really did say "Ohhhh POOP" out loud and my pea sized brain checked out as far as this new scoot went - no interest..

Wish I would of held myself in check and cornered those Mom Yam guys standing there for some REAL 1st class interviewing.. My bad,,,,,, to much passion got in the way of common sense.. Cant say it wont happen again cause I,, I got a flaw in my character about being passionate about what Mom Yam did with these V-4's BUT - I AM gonna check these new ones out even further now that I am gaining control of my Venture fantasy..

[BigLenny]

About a week ago my brother bought a very clean Stratoliner. He called me and told me about it. He did'n't really know what he was purchasing, he just liked the looks of the bike. Actually, the reason he called me was first to tell me bought it, but his second question was to ask me, since I'm a Yamaha owner, would i have any idea where the choke button or lever might be on it? He didn't even know it was fuel injected. Lol.

 

Anywho, After talking with him, I made an immediate plan to get out to his place and ride it. My reason being, of course, is because the new Venture is as we all know, supposed to have a motor that is designed from that 1900 that is in the Stratoliner. I wanted to see how the dang thing ran and throttled.

 

Well, I rode it last night, and lemme say this; if the Venture's motor is like the Stratoliner motor, there ain't gonna be an issue with needing power! Wow!. That dang thing has teeth pulling torque! It was markedly stronger than my RSTD. I repeat; there will not be an issue with loading it down to the max and having plenty of power. It was extremely quick taking off and working through the gears, and I was at 100 in a snap! And, it was very smooth. Apparently the Venture is supposed to be even smoother.

 

Having said that, the heat, and longevity issues that everybody is talking about, I do not have an opinion on. I prefer water cooled, but, who knows how this new bike will do.

 

I will say this, for what it's worth: When I rode the bike yesterday it was 94 degrees, and I didn't experience any noticeable heat coming from the engine. But, I was only on the bike for about 45 minutes.

 

Big Lenny

[snyper316]

About a week ago my brother bought a very clean Stratoliner. He called me and told me about it. He did'n't really know what he was purchasing, he just liked the looks of the bike. Actually, the reason he called me was first to tell me bought it, but his second question was to ask me, since I'm a Yamaha owner, would i have any idea where the choke button or lever might be on it? He didn't even know it was fuel injected. Lol.

 

Anywho, After talking with him, I made an immediate plan to get out to his place and ride it. My reason being, of course, is because the new Venture is as we all know, supposed to have a motor that is designed from that 1900 that is in the Stratoliner. I wanted to see how the dang thing ran and throttled.

 

Well, I rode it last night, and lemme say this; if the Venture's motor is like the Stratoliner motor, there ain't gonna be an issue with needing power! Wow!. That dang thing has teeth pulling torque! It was markedly stronger than my RSTD. I repeat; there will not be an issue with loading it down to the max and having plenty of power. It was extremely quick taking off and working through the gears, and I was at 100 in a snap! And, it was very smooth. Apparently the Venture is supposed to be even smoother.

 

Having said that, the heat, and longevity issues that everybody is talking about, I do not have an opinion on. I prefer water cooled, but, who knows how this new bike will do.

 

I will say this, for what it's worth: When I rode the bike yesterday it was 94 degrees, and I didn't experience any noticeable heat coming from the engine. But, I was only on the bike for about 45 minutes.

 

Big Lenny

45 minutes was long enuff IMHO That you would notice the heat. My venture I notice within a 25 minute ride and when I get to stoplight. My side fairings have an opening so I feel the engine heat. Altho its not that bad but I would say you should be able to tell within 45 minute what the heat will be like.

 

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[rickardracing]

What I'm concerned about is the oil temperature. I don't think the typical air cooled bike engine will last 250k miles like a water cooled. As someone else pointed out when it is sitting in traffic the oil cooler doesn't help much either unless they put a fan on it.

 

 

I do not believe the vast majority of riders put this kind of mileage on their bikes. Maybe a VERY small percentage so I think that concern is unfounded.

[BlueSky]

I do not believe the vast majority of riders put this kind of mileage on their bikes. Maybe a VERY small percentage so I think that concern is unfounded.

 

 

Just don't get stuck in stop and go traffic in the summer or the engine could fail or be damaged. I don't see buying a bike with those limitations. Like I've posted before, the ineternet posted LA Sheriff's dept test of potential police bikes where they checked everything during the test including oil temperatures and made sure they met the manufacturers specs, the Harley spec was not to exceed 410 degrees F oil temperature. That is a mind numbing number to me.

[camos]

I do not believe the vast majority of riders put this kind of mileage on their bikes. Maybe a VERY small percentage so I think that concern is unfounded.

Longevity is probably not so important to Yamaha but real Ventures last for 30 years and the majority of current owners are not the original purchaser.

[mm482]

If the heads and jugs can be removed with the engine in the frame, would that just be considered normal 100,000 mile service???? LOL

 

Earl

[Sylvester]

I believe that I am done with this thread. It is much like the Republicans and Democrats in that there is no solution for either party.

Yes I have a RSMV but I have had many Harleys and Triumphs and Beesers and Hondas and Ariel Square Fours and a Mammoth.

I loved them all.

[WildBill1]

TOTALLY trackin here bro - not that I am still not TOTALLY numb cause I wanted that new bike to be another V-Maxerized Venture sooooooooo badly that I went all the way to NY cause I couldnt wait to see the amaz,,,, never mind,, didnt happen,, oh well...

Anyway, INDEED Vaz - you lop eared varmint - you are on the right trail - endless possibilities there are..

IMHO - one of the things that could be done is creating an "oil jacket" around the bore of the jug - just like the jacket on a water cooled scoot. Then pump oil around it.. Do the same with the heads.. Flow the oil out to cool say inside of a well built heat sync aluminum swing arm. Dry sump that lady.. Have more than one oil pump - one just for cooling purposes just like a water pump system..

In all honesty,, I wish I would have kept my emotions in check at the unveiling = once I heard a "V-Twin" speak I really did say "Ohhhh POOP" out loud and my pea sized brain checked out as far as this new scoot went - no interest..

Wish I would of held myself in check and cornered those Mom Yam guys standing there for some REAL 1st class interviewing.. My bad,,,,,, to much passion got in the way of common sense.. Cant say it wont happen again cause I,, I got a flaw in my character about being passionate about what Mom Yam did with these V-4's BUT - I AM gonna check these new ones out even further now that I am gaining control of my Venture fantasy..

 

The Victory engine has been oil cooled and air cooled since 99. It had that oil jacket surrounding the cylinder. Polaris dropped the wrong bike and kept that rattle trap Indian that heats ups and sounds like the lifters have been tossed in a gallon paint can.

[CaseyJ955]

I know there are a few that are "cool" with air cooling, but I thought of you right away when I read this article while cruising the news.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-southwest-temperature-idUSKBN19A32D

 

I may be getting old but I'm not thinking that sounds like fun on any bike,

[djh3]

Its all good though. Ask them people that live out there in them ovens, its a dry heat so its OK.

[Edbo]

Here is a interesting read on the new Venture you might be interested in.

 

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2018-yamaha-star-venture-first-look-review

 

 

I thought it interesting about the engine oil cooler that is built into the frame. I wonder how well that works to keep engine heat down.

 

[Du-Rron]

Its all good though. Ask them people that live out there in them ovens, its a dry heat so its OK.

 

[djh3]

Yup I am well aware of them kind of temps. We lived in southwestern Oklahoma little place called Altus for 20 years. Summers 100+ winters in the 30-40 deg range most days. Add tornadoes to the mix and I am OK with living in central Fla. Your power bill must be outrageous trying to keep 72 in that heat.

[CaseyJ955]

Here is a interesting read on the new Venture you might be interested in.

 

 

I thought it interesting about the engine oil cooler that is built into the frame. I wonder how well that works to keep engine heat down.

 

 

That is a good read, I hope it works and I hope this bike is a win for guys waiting for a better twin. The luggage and analog instrumentation are looking pretty good. It will be interesting to see how cool it runs in hot weather or after being pushed up a mountain pass fully loaded, if they have developed an efficient oil cooling system that really works I'll be impressed.

 

It makes me wonder how the 3rd gen MKII will differ.

[Du-Rron]

I've tried to stop beating this horse but I can't resist....

 

Watercooled Engine's BTU's are the same as AirCooled Engines's BTU's. A watercooled engine usually has the heat-exchanger a foot or so away from you in the downtubes. This gives the BTU's a little more time to disperse before they get to you, so it might not feel as hot as a comparable aircooled motorcycle throwing off the same BTU's.

 

An Aircooled Engines BTU's... in a VTwin, usually has the heat-exchanger right below your family jewels. This close proximity of heat is concentrated in this area when no air is moving across the cooling fins, or you. I believe this is why the Aircooled engine feels much hotter. From the closeness and pinpoint concentration of heat.

 

In my opinion... for the money you are spending... you should get a water cooled engine in this class of motorcycle. In addition to no-brainer better heat management, you get several other benefits only a liquid cooled engine can offer.

[Freebird]

This is not the first time that Yamaha has used the frame as the oil reservoir. I believe it was my old XT500 "Thumper" that used the frame. It will be interesting to see how effective it is. I have not seen anything about it having an oil jacket that some have mentioned. Maybe I just missed it.

 

Anybody seen it mentioned what size the stereo speakers are?

[Karaboo]

I don't know what size the speakers are, but they only give you two of them unless you upgrade to the top of the line.

[SilvrT]

This is not the first time that Yamaha has used the frame as the oil reservoir. I believe it was my old XT500 "Thumper" that used the frame. It will be interesting to see how effective it is. I have not seen anything about it having an oil jacket that some have mentioned. Maybe I just missed it.

 

 

Maybe I'm reading the above wrong but from what I've read, the oil cooler is mounted between the front down tubes of the frame.

[Freebird]

I think you are right but that is in addition to the oil reservoir being in the frame. I would think that would help also as it gets it at least a little ways from the engine.

[CaseyJ955]

I think you are right but that is in addition to the oil reservoir being in the frame. I would think that would help also as it gets it at least a little ways from the engine.

 

If there really are oil galleys that encompass the heads and cylinders to some degree, possibly between the fins or internally as we have seen before, with an external heat exchanger. Oil cooling is nothing new but the volume and viscosity of oil vs that of proper liquid cooling has to date been pretty different. With a badass oil pump and a couple extra qts of oil I guess it could conceivably work somewhat. IIRC Buell was using the frame to store fuel on some of their models. I'm most anxious for one of our brothers or sisters to chime in after buying one.

[WildBill1]

My old 71 Triumph Booniville 650 had the oil reservoir in the backbone frame member. Don't remember heat being to much of a concern kept in the wind most of the time anyway.

[RandyR]

Got an email from Yamaha today with some new vids of the 2018 Venture. Included was a live screenshot of the touchpanel system showing 34 avg mpg.

 

 

 

 

 

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