New Star Venture

[CaseyJ955]

The analog gauge is probably digitally driven rather than with a cable, i assume this because you dont even get a throttle cable.

 

I feel like this bike has a ton of options I have never needed or wanted. I think the same of cars. More distraction is never good and the ability to make a call from my lid strikes me as both unpleasant and unwise. When I get on my bike its about the ride, its my metaphorical AFK button, my disconnect from a naggy digital leash. Besides ive seen to many compound fractures in my time to even want to tempt fate like that. I hope they eventually offer a stripped down version with an option list like a gen1. Maybe thats a good way to loose 200lbs and $8000 off the intercont version.

 

Maybe also spread the jugs out another 20 deg to get the rev limit out of the basement, and add a radiator... Crap, there I go again haha.

[snyper316]

You know all we should have to do is look at front wheel on left side, it could be right and see if there is even a cable

 

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[cowpuc]

Quickest way to find out is shut the key off.... That Speedo will go to zero. I did that in my truck the other night that Speedo went straight to zero. Analogs haven't been since the late 80s in some cars. Which I wouldn't have known this if I hadn't had to be pulled home couple of times and no Speedo.

 

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Before you do this though,, if your gonna do it while your in motion,, might wanna make sure the scoot aint got no fork lock on the ignition switch and if it does,, be VERY careful ya dont lock the forks while in any kind of motion... Lock that puppy and you go down quicker than a frogs tongue returning with a fly = SPLAT!!!

I know cause when I was a kid I locked one once while moving just to see if I was quicker than fate - WOWZY did I go down hard!!

[snyper316]

Skip to 4:20 on this video you will see no evidence of a cable.

 

[Condor]

Actually the speedo pick-up on the RSV's and all the shirt tail cousins comes off the final. Not the front wheel like the 1stGens... However.... since this thing doesn't have a final?? The sensor needs to be somewhere. Digital or not....

[CaseyJ955]

Actually the speedo pick-up on the RSV's and all the shirt tail cousins comes off the final. Not the front wheel like the 1stGens... However.... since this thing doesn't have a final?? The sensor needs to be somewhere. Digital or not....

 

Perhaps its a GPS driven speedo, doesnt the bike have GPS or only on the less cost effective intercont package. Could be fed right from the onboard distracting system. I doubt it but it is possible. I see aftermarket GPS speedos here and there. It would be the first bike to have a speedo that does not require math on the fly to calculate actual speed.

 

When I test ride I'll see if I can get the standing burnout through 4th gear and watch the speedo

[Condor]

Perhaps its a GPS driven speedo, doesnt the bike have GPS or only on the less cost effective intercont package. Could be fed right from the onboard distracting system. I doubt it but it is possible. I see aftermarket GPS speedos here and there. It would be the first bike to have a speedo that does not require math on the fly to calculate actual speed.

 

When I test ride I'll see if I can get the standing burnout through 4th gear and watch the speedo

 

I could see that except for one thing. Somewhere the GPS LCD output info needs to be interpreted to drive the needle of the analog face. That's above my pay grade...

[CaseyJ955]

I could see that except for one thing. Somewhere the GPS LCD output info needs to be interpreted to drive the needle of the analog face. That's above my pay grade...

 

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Autometer-5880-Speedometer-GPS-Enabled-Phantom-0-140-MPH-3-3-8-in-Analog-Electr-/321845359765?nav=SEARCH

 

I found these because I have a Samurai with many suspension and driveline mods, it looks like this does it. How exactly it works is above my pay grade too but the tech is out there. At that price it wont be a surprise that I use an old road pilot loaded with BH trail maps.

[N3FOL]

Cant really complain about anything I see so far. Going to test ride one first chance I get. I actually believe that big V-Twin mite be more suited to the way I like to ride on a touring bike. I rarely bounce off the rev limiter on the RSV, but I do have to do alot of downshifting to keep it in the sweetspot. In my corner of the country we hardly ever get stuck in stop and go traffic, so I doubt heat would be a major problem. Rite now price is the only thing that bothers me, never spent that kind of $$$$$ on a bike.

 

Craig

Action Motorsports may have them in a couple of months. I will check with them every other week.

[snyper316]

But if its cloudy you will be leapfrogging.... Gps is getting better two years ago a bird flying overhead would stop your signal...

 

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[N3FOL]

Skip to 4:20 on this video you will see no evidence of a cable.

 

 

I really like the features. The GPS, etc. is exciting. It can be learned as you go. If I only had the money to buy a fully loaded right now... Oh by the way, I guess the shifter is a press down and push up with the front of your left shoe. Hmmmm. Not so excited about that I guess.

[steamer]

I really like the features. The GPS, etc. is exciting. It can be learned as you go. If I only had the money to buy a fully loaded right now... Oh by the way, I guess the shifter is a press down and push up with the front of your left shoe. Hmmmm. Not so excited about that I guess.

 

You can order it with heal/toe shifter or add later.

[gibvel]

You can order it with heal/toe shifter or add later.

 

Yeah, for another $300 or so.

 

https://www.shopyamaha.com/product/details/touring-billet-toe-shift-lever?b=Transcontinental+Touring+Accessories&d=50

 

https://www.shopyamaha.com/product/details/touring-billet-heel-shift-lever?b=Transcontinental+Touring+Accessories&d=50&dealernumber=

[BlueSky]

$300 is just over 1% of the cost of the bike, pocket change for those who can afford to buy a new Stratoliner bagger.

[N3FOL]

Yeah, for another $300 or so.

 

https://www.shopyamaha.com/product/details/touring-billet-toe-shift-lever?b=Transcontinental+Touring+Accessories&d=50

 

https://www.shopyamaha.com/product/details/touring-billet-heel-shift-lever?b=Transcontinental+Touring+Accessories&d=50&dealernumber=

 

Yamaha wants $300 for the heel shifter? What a turn off....This should all be included in the package and not an option.

[F6B]

Yamaha wants $300 for the heel shifter? What a turn off....This should all be included in the package and not an option.

 

 

It could be. For $300 more on MSRP.

[revks]

I looked at this bike online and the reviews looked good but they always seem to be better than sliced bread until a few years later when all the real problems rear their ugly heads.

I would have to say if I were to buy a v twin touring bike it would be a water cooled Harley. The chances of me buying one is extremely slim as I don't care for the sound or vibrations of the twins. I'm a smooth quiet gut and I like my bikes the same way. I guess if I upgrade fro the 83 Venture I'll go with a Goldwing or possibly an F6B as we take Lisa's 2012 Spyder limited when we both go on trips so I don't need a comfortable passenger seat or trunk for her stuff.

[Condor]

Yamaha wants $300 for the heel shifter? What a turn off....This should all be included in the package and not an option.

 

Hmmm?? I wonder if a 2ndGen heel/toe would fit?? Or be McGivered to fit??

[N3FOL]

Hmmm?? I wonder if a 2ndGen heel/toe would fit?? Or be McGivered to fit??

 

It is possible, Condor. Maybe Carbon One can also chime in on this.

[cowpuc]

Hmmm?? I wonder if a 2ndGen heel/toe would fit?? Or be McGivered to fit??

 

It is possible, Condor. Maybe Carbon One can also chime in on this.

 

Lets try this,,, ohhhh great fabricator of all things steel,,, we call upon you @Carbon_One to solve yet another great mystery

 

Hmmm, the accessory book for the new one that I picked up in Sturgis shows the heal shifter @103 bucks.. At any rate,, here are a couple pictures of which these varmints speak Larry = (even someone as intelligent as my buddy Larry needs something to work with IMHO)..

[CaseyJ955]

I looked at this bike online and the reviews looked good but they always seem to be better than sliced bread until a few years later when all the real problems rear their ugly heads.

I would have to say if I were to buy a v twin touring bike it would be a water cooled Harley. The chances of me buying one is extremely slim as I don't care for the sound or vibrations of the twins. I'm a smooth quiet gut and I like my bikes the same way. I guess if I upgrade fro the 83 Venture I'll go with a Goldwing or possibly an F6B as we take Lisa's 2012 Spyder limited when we both go on trips so I don't need a comfortable passenger seat or trunk for her stuff.

 

Yamaha has the highest reliability ratings according to CR, I think its 11% chance of major issues in the first four years. Closely followed by the other 3 Japanese mfrs, HD is way at the other end just ahead of the Euro bikes and well behind Polaris (Indian is way ahead of HD in both reliability and cust satisfaction). If I were to go by Consumer Report I would go Indian or Yahama for a twin. As we all know the first years of an entirely new model can be critical for bugs and glitches to be exposed and worked out, but if anyone can pull this off a bike like this without headaches its Yamaha. Im particularly concerned about the techy options. Im betting the engine, trans and final drive are going to prove solid. Alot remains to be seen but IMHO the time to buy a new Stratoliner (Venture) would be after new owners have had a chance to voice wishes and grievances, so gen3 MKII if you will. CR goes back 4 years but Im riding a nearly 30 yr old Venture so I can only speculate on how a 3rd gen will be after 3 decades of the elements and use, im not betting its a 30 year bike with all the extra complexity and the air cooled mill.

[camos]

A lot remains to be seen but IMHO the time to buy a new Stratoliner (Venture) would be after new owners have had a chance to voice wishes and grievances, so gen3 MKII if you will. CR goes back 4 years but Im riding a nearly 30 yr old Venture so I can only speculate on how a 3rd gen will be after 3 decades of the elements and use, im not betting its a 30 year bike with all the extra complexity and the air cooled mill.

That's just too confusing. Even though it is just a poser, Yamaha called their new touring bike a Star Venture so that is what it is. A Star...ved Venture that could only manage a two valve or half a heart. This is a Gen 1 bike from a new line and should never be confused with a Gen 3 V-4 Venture which Yamaha has chosen not to produce.

 

Hopefully this clarifies the matter.

[BigLenny]

So it isn't the motor we were hoping for. Other than not having a liquid cooled V4 and shaft drive....it is still going to be a good bike and IS called a Venture. Early reports are that it is heads and tails above the Harley and other brands touring bikes.

 

New members that buy the new model are going to be confused if they read all these posts and think they aren't getting a good bike. We need to welcome them here because this is VentureRider.org and the bike (name) is "Venture" and is meant for touring.

 

I agree that Yamaha should have come back with a liquid cooled V4 and shaft drive. I have an 8 cylinder Mustang GT and frankly half the cylinders (with Eco boost or even 6 cylinders) wouldn't make me want to buy one. BUT they are still called a Mustang and the new Venture does come with that heritage of a full decked out touring bike. It is what it is and we won't see Yamaha change it now. They didn't ask current owners of Gen I/II Ventures who would have started the wish list with a V4....but they talked to VTwin owners that ride Harleys who only know twins.

 

Going back to the Mustang....ask someone who has only ever driven a 4 banger if the Mustang needs 8 cylinders and they would probably say it doesn't. Ask anyone that has driven a V8 and they'd laugh at the idea of a 4 banger in a sporty car. It'd be like buying a computer with half the memory....or being forced to drink decaf coffee instead of regular caffeinated coffee. Or "diet" soda instead of regular.

 

LOL - I'm sure the people here saying the new Venture should have had a V4 remember when Coke came out with the "New" Coke and changed the recipe. It was called Coke....but it wasn't Coke. And unlike Coke drinkers at the time, we aren't a big enough group to get the old Venture back.

 

Hey Don,

 

Very well said, my friend.

 

It is certainly a Venture. I will accept it as that, but, the non water cooling thing is probably gonna kick me out of the running. Who knows? I might love it so much after I test ride it that it plucks my twanger just enough to make me yank out the ole wallet, but I'm not expecting that to happen. The Mustang comparison is spot on, and if your a Chevy feller, they have done the same thing to the Camaro. Trends and tastes change. Its a fact of life. I for one am forever grateful that mother Yam decided to not abandon the full dresser touring market. And, when she decided to get back in it, she did it with a bang! I applaud her efforts. After all, we could all be Suzuki riders still waiting on a return of the Cavalcade.

 

So, yes, it's a Venture. It might not be exactly what us older gents want in a power plant, but Yamaha cared enough about honoring the Venture name plate, that she re-introduced it. I think its dang cool that she did that.

 

Big Lenny

[camos]

Well, the Star Venture is indeed a Venture in name but the point I am making is that it is not a Gen 3. The Star Venture is about as much a Venture as the Goldwing is except, of course, that it has Venture as part of its name and is made by Yamaha. Another thing of note is no matter whether it's a Gen 1 Mk I, Mk II or one of the several flavours of Gen 2 most of us on this site can offer some reasonably accurate help. That is not so with the poser Venture which is a new totally different bike and not a relative or even of the same species as the real Venture.

 

Call it a Venture if you like but don't call it a Gen 3.

[CaseyJ955]

That's just too confusing. Even though it is just a poser, Yamaha called their new touring bike a Star Venture so that is what it is. A Star...ved Venture that could only manage a two valve or half a heart. This is a Gen 1 bike from a new line and should never be confused with a Gen 3 V-4 Venture which Yamaha has chosen not to produce.

 

Hopefully this clarifies the matter.

 

After reading the last few posts and points made about its Venturehood I have to agree, they call it a Venture so its a Venture. That being a good move is much more arguable than the accuracy of the reviews saying its better than other twin cruisers on the market. I personally cant see how HD isnt long defunct. I like the mustang analogy, I know some folks can get by with a twin and even enjoy it. I grew up here in HD country so I see it every day. I dont get it but different engine configurations for different riding styles is sound reasoning. I dont see this argument going away. I get that the Venture as we know it has been officially retired just as we thought it was getting a spectacular upgrade, it was replaced with something entirely different and designed for a very different rider, so after all the months of hype it stings a bit when this bike would have fit so squarely into their line of Strats. I guess I just have some anxiety over knowing that the power tourer we have all loved is officially a thing of the past whilst an air cooled twin marches into the future wearing its name tag. Times change and other mfrs do make power tourers so were not completely boned when new bike time comes.

 

My rant aside I do want buyers of the new bike to feel welcome, this debate doesnt change the welcoming of new brothers and sisters, the debate is only about the machines and not the buyers.