bongobobny Posted May 9, 2017 #76 Posted May 9, 2017 And besides that, it's not June 5th yet, and we are notorious for hijacking threads here!! If you want to go the buy something, then take a couple of months to pay for it, there are a lot of Zero interest for an introductory period so you don't pay interest cards out there! I get one of those every year for major purchases that I can't pay off in a month, such as a $5,000 engine rebuild...
snyper316 Posted May 9, 2017 #77 Posted May 9, 2017 Yeah the threads usually go thru 3-5 different things here... Any chance you all know where I put my windshield to tinker...😳 Sent from my LG-K371 using Tapatalk
WildBill1 Posted May 9, 2017 #78 Posted May 9, 2017 Back to the original thread, l personally think Yamaha is introducing a Tricycle with reverse to compete with the Harley Freewheeler and the Polaris Slingshot.
grubsie Posted May 9, 2017 #79 Posted May 9, 2017 No insult intended but why are credit cards being discussed on this thread? Just human nature. Kind of like rumors. Talk to the last person in the line and the story is totally different than the original. Anyway, I find it fun to have something to look forward to. June 5th baby! Twice as fun for me. New bike unveiling and my wife turns the big 60 on the same day.
snyper316 Posted May 9, 2017 #80 Posted May 9, 2017 That would be wrong in so many ways.... Sent from my LG-K371 using Tapatalk
Nightwind15 Posted May 9, 2017 #81 Posted May 9, 2017 I did not intend insulting anyone of course but I am hyper excited about the new Yamaha and will be selling my Raider, my Goldwing and my Stratoliner if this proves to be what it should be. The funny thing is I am a dealer but more so a motorcycle rider and have been since 1964. If you cut me I bleed Yamaha yellow and black (sorry Blue and White). At 67 this will likely be my last touring bike and I hope Yamaha has not let us all down again. There are truly so few true dealer enthusiast any more and that is a very sad thing. Steve
CaseyJ955 Posted May 9, 2017 #82 Posted May 9, 2017 I did not intend insulting anyone of course but I am hyper excited about the new Yamaha and will be selling my Raider, my Goldwing and my Stratoliner if this proves to be what it should be. The funny thing is I am a dealer but more so a motorcycle rider and have been since 1964. If you cut me I bleed Yamaha yellow and black (sorry Blue and White). At 67 this will likely be my last touring bike and I hope Yamaha has not let us all down again. There are truly so few true dealer enthusiast any more and that is a very sad thing. Steve Couldn't agree more Steve. There is quite a bit of uncertainty about this machine, and as a consumer I would really prefer updates through development of a new model for 3 reasons. 1. I just dont care for sales tactics and artificially building hype, it feels more like Yamaha is playing salesman-y games rather than ramping up genuine enthusiasm based on accurate projections of what kind of bike it may even be. Its going to be unveiled shortly and most of us have no idea if it will be a twin with 6 more HP than a HD or a fire breathing V4 with 6 more HP than a K1600. As an adult consumer I would prefer to be informed and develope realistic expectations as development is ongoing than be surprised and quite possibly disappointed. 2. The secrecy feels pretty gimmicky, suspense is fine when watching "Jeepers Creepers" but not when considering a new steed. I wont lie, im put off by Yamaha not sharing more (any) information with its customer base. See whine #1 . After all this hype if this bike is anything less than spectacular I will likely go back to Triumph for my next bike. 3. If I'm on or preparing to enter the market for a new bike I'm researching offerings outside Yamaha as well. There are currently some damn fine bikes on the market whether you want a twin cruiser/tourer or a full on touring rocketship. As a consumer I would appreciate at least enough information to make a decision on whether to wait for it or buy something else. If I knew we were getting the V4 I would likely wait, but if I wait for a grand epic Venture and they roll out the successor to the VTX I will not be a happy consumer and may never buy Yamaha after that if I have a bitter taste from this waiting game. I know there is some overlap in my numerically itemized whinings but unrealistic expectations are sure to leave a percentage of us highly disappointed for the reasons above. If they make another twin thats great but dont keep us performance oriented riders hanging. All I can tell Yamaha is if this bike is a twin cruiser after hyping up a fantastic new Venture then thay have lost the chance to ever sell me a bike in the future. For you as a dealer waiting has to be at least a little frustrating, yes? If you love and sell bikes I would assume knowing the basics about whats coming would probably make it easier to guide your customers thinking about a new machine. It would have to be a benefit to the customer for the same reasons I better take a breath and get some water
baylensman Posted May 9, 2017 #83 Posted May 9, 2017 I did not intend insulting anyone of course but I am hyper excited about the new Yamaha and will be selling my Raider, my Goldwing and my Stratoliner if this proves to be what it should be. The funny thing is I am a dealer but more so a motorcycle rider and have been since 1964. If you cut me I bleed Yamaha yellow and black (sorry Blue and White). At 67 this will likely be my last touring bike and I hope Yamaha has not let us all down again. There are truly so few true dealer enthusiast any more and that is a very sad thing. Steve i've got Yamaha tattooed on one check and FORD on the other. My first bike (non centrifugal clutch was a Yammie and so has been every bike since. Both my brothers are the same way until recently, when one bought a Harley. I really hope that this is even half the bike we've all talked about here for the past few years. Otherwise my retirement plans may include a different emblem on the gas tank!
snyper316 Posted May 9, 2017 #84 Posted May 9, 2017 I did not intend insulting anyone of course but I am hyper excited about the new Yamaha and will be selling my Raider, my Goldwing and my Stratoliner if this proves to be what it should be. The funny thing is I am a dealer but more so a motorcycle rider and have been since 1964. If you cut me I bleed Yamaha yellow and black (sorry Blue and White). At 67 this will likely be my last touring bike and I hope Yamaha has not let us all down again. There are truly so few true dealer enthusiast any more and that is a very sad thing. Steve You didn't insult me.. When I said that would be wrong... Was reference to someone saying maybe its a trike... Now if they came out with that option well all I have to say is i hope the other manufacturers have a cushion because that would hurt!!! Sent from my LG-K371 using Tapatalk
snyper316 Posted May 9, 2017 #85 Posted May 9, 2017 I would love to see an actual triking option for the new Yamaha, Either front or back. I like the setup on Jay Lenos garage, However I am not to keen on the reverse trike. It does look like it would be a blast tho, and I could probably be talked into one. I honestly believe if Yamaha came out with a trike version of the tourer there would be so many people taken there TriWings and there Harley trikes back to get this. But I am probably way the heck out there now, But I have always loved Trikes. Never owned one but wouldn't mind it if it was a true 3 wheel Trike. I wanted to Trike my venture a couple years ago before I got the hang of it. Found out the only way to do that was make it a four wheeler.... No go I want a for real trike.... Now another wishful thinking is a gps that will wonder for you.... Of course when I had my Gps I would turn and it would show me the way out if I had a destination in it, But how about an interconnected system with reviews from other bikers for suggested routes. I maybe talking a little crazy but that is what happens when your out on the bike in the sun and get a stupid migraine and never got a chance to fully clear your head.... anyone want to add to this or try to figure out my ramblings because these voices in my head are confusing me:Avatars_Gee_George:
snyper316 Posted May 9, 2017 #87 Posted May 9, 2017 What brand oil would you use in it . lol Turtle Oil:stickpoke:
Yammer Dan Posted May 10, 2017 #88 Posted May 10, 2017 Or ridden either. When was the last time you had BS out? Ya don't have ta remind me! "Ugly" is keeping her company. Both just need battery put in and a little tinkering.
cowpuc Posted May 10, 2017 #89 Posted May 10, 2017 No insult intended but why are credit cards being discussed on this thread? Cluttering up the real topic here. Because most of the lop eared varmints around this joint are made of the same kind of cowboy DNA as that which Willie is singing about in the attached song,,, they aint bad varmints - just a little high strung... Hey Nightwind - you know George Boston up here in Muskegon Mi? Good friend of mine... Like you,, me and Yamaha go back a longgggggg ways too - pre YZ250 days.. MXed a 68 250 - home brew till Honda came out with the Elsi in 73 - then jumped ship and pretty much cleaned house until that dog gone Mono Shock YZ showed up.. Also had one of the 1st R1's Yamaha introduced into Michigan in 1967.. Turned some heads with the readers here on that comment - it was a 350 Twin folks - actually a YR1 but hey = R1 made ya do a double take didnt it!! Had a bunch of Yams thru the years Nightwind and gotta tell ya,, I'm one of those ol has been's who really dont care if Mom Yam actually does this or not.. I HOPE she does and am extremely excited that we may actually get to FINALLY see it happen BUT,, fact is,, IMHO the MK1 Venture is and always will be the queen of my highway.. Puc
snyper316 Posted May 10, 2017 #90 Posted May 10, 2017 I HOPE she does and am extremely excited that we may actually get to FINALLY see it happen BUT,, fact is,, IMHO the MK1 Venture is and always will be the queen of my highway.. Puc You said it and AMEN!!!
gibvel Posted May 10, 2017 #92 Posted May 10, 2017 Okay, back to topic, here is my 2 cents. After watching all the videos, the only engine mentioned and/or touted was a V-Twin (in video 2 "As far as the V-Twin goes, this takes you to a whole different level, in terms of power. You just crack the throttle and, instantly, you know you have something there."). And like someone mentioned earlier in the thread (about other features mentioned) they probably wouldn't bring them up if the didn't have them in the bike. My guess is that the V-Twin is going to be the power plant.
Freebird Posted May 10, 2017 #93 Posted May 10, 2017 Well, as much as I hate it, I pretty much agree with you that it will be a VTwin. I have nothing against VTwins and I'm sure that a water cooled VTwin can be made to work very well but it just doesn't distinguish it from all the others out there. Harley, Indian, etc. If somebody wants a VTwin, there are a lot of options. A 1700 V4 from the VMax would make Yamaha stand out from the crowd. In short, I don't think that we are going to see a new Venture. We are going to see some type of VTwin cruiser with updated technologies and I doubt it will be called or reference to the Venture at all.
camos Posted May 10, 2017 #94 Posted May 10, 2017 Okay, back to topic, here is my 2 cents. "As far as the V-Twin goes, this takes you to a whole different level, in terms of power. You just crack the throttle and, instantly, you know you have something there.").Not that it matters for the purpose of this discussion, but there is nothing inherent in the design of a V-twin that guarantees it will have lots of torque, assuming that is what you mean by power. For example the Virago has a V-twin that performs closer to the Venture than to the other V-twins. [TABLE=width: 385] [TR] [TH=align: left]Make Model[/TH] [TH=align: left]Yamaha XV 1100 Virago[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Max Power[/TD] [TD]61.7 hp / 45.4 kW @ 6000 rpm[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Max Power Rear Tyre[/TD] [TD]57.9 hp @ 6000 rpm[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Max Torque[/TD] [TD]8.7 kgf-m / 85.3 Nm @ 3000 rpm[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] The red line is around 7500 rpm. An inline engine can be designed to develop the same kind of torque commonly found in the other V-twins. The V engine configuration has a coolness factor that other engines does not have. Losing two cylinders has the advantage of allowing a larger displacement per cylinder without making the engine too wide to be practical on a motorcycle. Displacement also seems to have a coolness factor to many people. A V-twin engine then has the possibility of being twice cool versus the poor old Venture V 4.
CaseyJ955 Posted May 10, 2017 #95 Posted May 10, 2017 Well, as much as I hate it, I pretty much agree with you that it will be a VTwin. I have nothing against VTwins and I'm sure that a water cooled VTwin can be made to work very well but it just doesn't distinguish it from all the others out there. Harley, Indian, etc. If somebody wants a VTwin, there are a lot of options. A 1700 V4 from the VMax would make Yamaha stand out from the crowd. In short, I don't think that we are going to see a new Venture. We are going to see some type of VTwin cruiser with updated technologies and I doubt it will be called or reference to the Venture at all. This is dawning on me but its sort of hard to take. Being a Gen1 Vmax owner myself I have been fascinated, the first time I bacame aware of the Gen2 Vmax I knew that one day it would see a touring brethren with this big snorty V4. Nobody I know would say, "aww darn, a 1700cc EFI v4 with enough torque and power to move two touring bikes, I was actually hoping for more options in a twin cyl tourer.":hihi: A twin can make good power and if we put a little more daylight between the jugs a loftier redline is possible. If they are thinking more Ducatti and less Harley it just might be worth looking at. I know what was in the video but It still makes no sense. This better be one stonkin' twin.
BratmanXj Posted May 10, 2017 #96 Posted May 10, 2017 A twin can make good power and if we put a little more daylight between the jugs a loftier redline is possible. If they are thinking more Ducatti and less Harley it just might be worth looking at. I know what was in the video but It still makes no sense. This better be one stonkin' twin. But that is going against the American ideology by wanting a Duc type engine, even the 1300cc V4 is an oddball in the American touring market. The HD-Indian-Victory-Vulcan all have big torquey Vtwins, the Goldwing V6 has low end torque. People who want high-reving HP buy a sport-tourer like the FJR, not a full dresser. Any of my riding buddies I put on my Venture have no idea how I set the pace that I do, they shift at 3k rpm and lug down the motor because that's how "every other bike" does it. While I do like the nature of the V4 in our bikes we here are in the minority of the market and I can't see Yamaha chasing a small section of the market for us die-hards.
snyper316 Posted May 10, 2017 #97 Posted May 10, 2017 Alot of people love the maxes and the first gens, I know Alot of ppl love the v4s but, the mileage on one.... I would like to see 50-60 on a full dresser... Sent from my LG-K371 using Tapatalk
BigLenny Posted May 10, 2017 #98 Posted May 10, 2017 Well, as much as I hate it, I pretty much agree with you that it will be a VTwin. I have nothing against VTwins and I'm sure that a water cooled VTwin can be made to work very well but it just doesn't distinguish it from all the others out there. Harley, Indian, etc. If somebody wants a VTwin, there are a lot of options. A 1700 V4 from the VMax would make Yamaha stand out from the crowd. In short, I don't think that we are going to see a new Venture. We are going to see some type of VTwin cruiser with updated technologies and I doubt it will be called or reference to the Venture at all. I agree with you Don. And as someone already stated on this thread, it might be called a Journey. Considering how many times that word was mentioned in the videos.
snyper316 Posted May 10, 2017 #99 Posted May 10, 2017 They are playing with our heads I tell you.... We won't know till we know you know... Sent from my LG-K371 using Tapatalk
snyper316 Posted May 10, 2017 #100 Posted May 10, 2017 http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/yamaha-to-unveil-new-touring-motorcycle-live?dom=full&src=syn Sent from my LG-K371 using Tapatalk
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