CaseyJ955 Posted October 30, 2016 #1 Posted October 30, 2016 I'm prepared for my Permatex fix not to work, if it fails I'll replace all 4 diaphragms. Has anyone had any experience with this seller or his product. He said he manufactures them and that they are not from China. Price is attractive to be sure. I'm not good with OEM prices and would love a quality alternative. Does this look like such an alternative? Any info apriciated. http://www.ebay.com/itm/281761118293?euid=596e8d8aea814f2e9c2fcccb64a04c8c&bu=43133956111&cp=1&sojTags=bu=bu
VanRiver Posted October 30, 2016 #2 Posted October 30, 2016 Hi CaseyJ955, Yes I bought 2 sets off this Ebay seller back in February of this year (2016). I paid $79.23 (each set) including shipping to Canada back then. They are good quality and fit well, I have one set installed and the other sitting here on my desk, so if you want a "Real" picture I can send them to you. The seller is also a good guy, I had some shipping problems as they took FOREVER to arrive from the UK to Canada, but he was very helpful and responsive during the process. Let me know if you need any additional info or pics. I'm prepared for my Permatex fix not to work, if it fails I'll replace all 4 diaphragms. Has anyone had any experience with this seller or his product. He said he manufactures them and that they are not from China. Price is attractive to be sure. I'm not good with OEM prices and would love a quality alternative. Does this look like such an alternative? Any info apriciated. http://www.ebay.com/itm/281761118293?euid=596e8d8aea814f2e9c2fcccb64a04c8c&bu=43133956111&cp=1&sojTags=bu=bu
CaseyJ955 Posted October 30, 2016 Author #3 Posted October 30, 2016 Hi CaseyJ955, Yes I bought 2 sets off this Ebay seller back in February of this year (2016). I paid $79.23 (each set) including shipping to Canada back then. They are good quality and fit well, I have one set installed and the other sitting here on my desk, so if you want a "Real" picture I can send them to you. The seller is also a good guy, I had some shipping problems as they took FOREVER to arrive from the UK to Canada, but he was very helpful and responsive during the process. Let me know if you need any additional info or pics. That will do it. I'm going to go through everything and make sure there are no other issues keeping the carbs funky, then I'm either going to order the diaphragms or break out my wirefeed and start making a 2bbl intake modeled after what PKR just did. I'm glad to know the diaphragms are of quality, the guy was quick to answer my questions but I'm apprehensive by default. Thanks for taking the time to let me know about those.
VanRiver Posted October 30, 2016 #4 Posted October 30, 2016 Here is a pic of my extra set purchased from this guy.....and the business card that was included in the shipment from this eBay seller: Also if you are looking for another source to buy from I have purchased them from these guys as well: http://www.siriusconinc.com/pro-detail.php?pid=&product_id=1794 I believe if you call or email them and tell them you are "VentureRider" member they will give you an additional discount. The last I bought from them they cost me $79 with the discount included back in 2014.
VanRiver Posted October 30, 2016 #5 Posted October 30, 2016 Sounds like we have a fair amount in common! I just ordered a my 1 5/8" mandrel bends and a 1983 FORD 2 BARREL HOLLEY CARBURETOR to start building my own single carb setup. As you may know from some of my other posts I'm building a 1300 engine with V-max heads to turn my bike AZZI into "AZZI-MAX"! I'm hoping this single carb setup will give me more flexibility and make it easier to tune in this new hotrod frankenstein engine I'm building....we shall see. I plan on building the header up here in Canada where I have all my fancy tools, and then hopefully taking the finished product down to Arizona to see if she runs as nice as PKR's project appears to. If you do build your own headers please keep in touch! We can compare pictures and notes along the way! That will do it. I'm going to go through everything and make sure there are no other issues keeping the carbs funky, then I'm either going to order the diaphragms or break out my wirefeed and start making a 2bbl intake modeled after what PKR just did. I'm glad to know the diaphragms are of quality, the guy was quick to answer my questions but I'm apprehensive by default. Thanks for taking the time to let me know about those.
CaseyJ955 Posted October 31, 2016 Author #6 Posted October 31, 2016 Sounds like we have a fair amount in common! I just ordered a my 1 5/8" mandrel bends and a 1983 FORD 2 BARREL HOLLEY CARBURETOR to start building my own single carb setup. As you may know from some of my other posts I'm building a 1300 engine with V-max heads to turn my bike AZZI into "AZZI-MAX"! I'm hoping this single carb setup will give me more flexibility and make it easier to tune in this new hotrod frankenstein engine I'm building....we shall see. I plan on building the header up here in Canada where I have all my fancy tools, and then hopefully taking the finished product down to Arizona to see if she runs as nice as PKR's project appears to. If you do build your own headers please keep in touch! We can compare pictures and notes along the way! We do indeed have some things in common. I just harvested heads/cams/intakes/exhaust from an 85 Vmax I'm parting out. I plan to do what your doing but I want to get a few thousand miles on it stock first, then maybe switch out and dial in a 2bbl setup and get some mileage on her that way, then over the following winter do the vmax head conversion and redial the carb to accommodate the free breathing heads/cams. I would like to put a few thousand miles on each modification to get a complete feel for it and get it all working. Besides next year I'm moving and will have a better workplace to do an upper engine. My main reason to look at a single 2bbl is not so much performance but less maintenance and greater reliability. I take long solo trips and nothing sucks worse than wasting time away from home/tools trying to sort an issue. I would, however, only do it if I could get comparable performance and MPG from a single 2bbl that I could get from properly tuned OEM carbs. I'm thinking Weber or Dellorto but will see how this Ford carb works and what sorts of numbers we get rolling in now that PKR has one in service and I think a couple others are looking to do it. The only nagging question I have is if there is benefit to a single 2bbl and no significant compromise, why did Yamaha not consider it back in the 80s? Carb tech has come forward quite a bit since then but the carbs we're going to use are older tech to. I hope it's easy to keep the cruise control with this 2bbl setup. Headers, I harvested the stock vmax exhaust in hopes that I could doctor something up from that. Maybe I'll even end up with an aftermarket vmax exhaust and modify that. I have to admit that doing a full custom fabricated exhaust would have me in over my head. I'm liking a 4-2-1 or even 4-1, but in any event I envision it with a single exhaust. My 99 vmax has a Kerker 4-2-1 and the stock but lightly modified carbs and I can assure you it takes very deep breaths, sounds absolutely wicked and flat rips. The 4-2-1 IMHO sounds way better than twin pipes, I just hope I can quiet it down more than the Vmax, which would be way too loud for real saddle time. Maybe it just comes down to can choice. I'm really interested in your project and specifically how the 2bbl will end up working with the vmax heads/cams.
CaseyJ955 Posted February 21, 2017 Author #7 Posted February 21, 2017 So I didnt really give the diaphragm fix a chance. I decided instead to just replace them with the UK made set, for $100 shipped it seems better than chancing failure in BFE. So now that I have these replacement diaphragms I'm coming up short on how to install them on the slides. The Youtube methods I have looked up include griding off the metal lip on the distal diameter of the slide, then gluing the washers back on. Not fond of that one. The other one involves the slide into a length of PVC and tapping with a screwdriver handle. I'm not wanting to break the slides and have seen plenty to suggest that this might be the actual result. So how to get this done? If I do have to grind and glue, what is the best glue/sealant to use that is impervious to fuel/petrol. I searched the site and internet and didnt come up with much else. Thanks!!
snyper316 Posted February 21, 2017 #8 Posted February 21, 2017 Shoot I just ordered my last 3, I think I needed 3, anyways I paid 54.00 each for the slides and diaphragms will let you know if they are right when I get them.
CaseyJ955 Posted February 21, 2017 Author #9 Posted February 21, 2017 Shoot I just ordered my last 3, I think I needed 3, anyways I paid 54.00 each for the slides and diaphragms will let you know if they are right when I get them. Slides and diaphragms, quite a bit easier to work with as a whole assembly. When I priced the assembly I think it was considerably more expensive than that. Sounds like you found a sweet deal.
snyper316 Posted February 21, 2017 #10 Posted February 21, 2017 Yeah like I said i will see, but heck that's why we called the bike tinker 😷 Living life one curve after the other. Vroom scooting, thru the countryside.
Flyinfool Posted February 21, 2017 #11 Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) There are 2 styles of diaphragms out that I have seen. The ones from Sirius Sonic are direct replacement no modding or hammering anything or gluing. Then there is another one that I a bit different and it does require mods to the slide and being glued are a one time shot, next time you will need new slides. I do not know if these ebay ones are the same as the OEM or the same as the ones that require mods or a third style that is something altogether different. Edited February 21, 2017 by Flyinfool
CaseyJ955 Posted February 21, 2017 Author #12 Posted February 21, 2017 I got the same ones VanRiver got further up in this thread, the ebay ones from the UK. Is there supposed to be some sort of modification to install? I dont recall the seller mentioning anything about that.
snyper316 Posted February 21, 2017 #13 Posted February 21, 2017 http://www.ebay.com/itm/172382909615?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT here is a link to it. If anyone wants to check them out, It beats paying 150 for just one. Last One I got was NOS for 72.60 it was listed under 97 Virago. These look like they may be after markets.
CaseyJ955 Posted February 22, 2017 Author #14 Posted February 22, 2017 http://www.ebay.com/itm/172382909615?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT here is a link to it. If anyone wants to check them out, It beats paying 150 for just one. Last One I got was NOS for 72.60 it was listed under 97 Virago. These look like they may be after markets. Those must be aftermarket, brand was NCS or something. If they were OEM, or even made anywhere other than China it would be proudly boasted in the description. I could not find country of manufacture and that usually means only one thing. I picked these up after others here vouched for their quality, they are nice and the seller seemed straight up, they arrived surprisingly fast from the UK where he makes them. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Set-of-4-Pcs-Carburetor-Diaphragm-Yamaha-XVZ13-XVZ1300-Venture-Royal-1986-1993-/281761118300?hash=item419a45785c:g:3c4AAOSwrklVXmxv&vxp=mtr&autorefresh=true ] I'm not sure where SCI are made either but I suspect the same. I have never handled one so I'm not sure what their quality is. Experience has given me a very healthy apprehension of Chinese aftermarket.
snyper316 Posted February 22, 2017 #15 Posted February 22, 2017 tried that route once ended up buying 2 used diaphragms and 1 new.... cracked one and bent the hell out of a ring on the other one....
snyper316 Posted February 22, 2017 #16 Posted February 22, 2017 Well good news, seems they are made in Taiwan not china Lol. Living life one curve after the other. Vroom scooting, thru the countryside.
CaseyJ955 Posted February 22, 2017 Author #17 Posted February 22, 2017 Well good news, seems they are made in Taiwan not china Lol. Living life one curve after the other. Vroom scooting, thru the countryside. Hmmmmm I'll letcha know by the end of this riding season how good the UK diaphragms are. I'll install them tonight onto the slides and probably into the carbs. They feel like they are pretty nicely made. I rejuvenated the jet block plugs, both shocked and delighted that the 1:3 ratio of wintergreen oil:91% rubbing alcohol seems to have worked wonders, where they were sliding out with very little/no resistance now they are a tight fit after a 36 hour bath. PO tried to use sealant and even drove a screw into one of them, presumably to expand it to stay put. I'm glad the screw didn't go through. Wow! I hope it's a lasting fix.
snyper316 Posted February 22, 2017 #18 Posted February 22, 2017 My point was I tore 3 slides up... Living life one curve after the other. Vroom scooting, thru the countryside.
CaseyJ955 Posted February 22, 2017 Author #19 Posted February 22, 2017 My point was I tore 3 slides up... Living life one curve after the other. Vroom scooting, thru the countryside. That really sucks! I'm sorry, those arent exactly available at Safeway. I just installed all 4 new diaphragms with no casualty but I do have a slide that is in question. It was binding in the bore and has some strange wear. I may run over it with some 600 and see if that takes care of it.
snyper316 Posted February 22, 2017 #20 Posted February 22, 2017 That's how I have 2 used one and one brand new EOM slide. So figured I would try these since I shouldn't damage one just popping it in... I have used Taiwanese stuff in the past it fares better then Chinese parts on Chinese scooters. Living life one curve after the other. Vroom scooting, thru the countryside.
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