Druace Posted February 13, 2016 #1 Posted February 13, 2016 Hello all this is my first post and I'm in need of some help. I have a 2007 Midnight Venture, I have had it a little over a year and a half now with no issues until now. I had it sit up for about 3 months and it ran fine when I parked it. When I took it out to ride it again the bike would only run on full choke. When I give the bike throttle it bogs down and dies. When I push the choke in it dies. I broke the bike down cleaned the carbs and jets all free of debris. Fired it up again same problem only now I have white smoke and oil coming out of the right tail pipe. Oil is also leaking from the tail pipe toward the middle of the pipe. I'm at a loss here and hope you guys can offer me some help before I have to sell an organ to have the dealer fix it! Thanks guys!
93 venture Posted February 13, 2016 #2 Posted February 13, 2016 when you first turn on the key can you hear the fuel pump clicking?
etcswjoe Posted February 13, 2016 #3 Posted February 13, 2016 Did you leave the fuel on when it sat up and how did the engine sound when you turned it over?
cowpuc Posted February 13, 2016 #4 Posted February 13, 2016 Check your oil for fuel contamination - seeping float bowls can cause it. Make sure your air breathers and exhausts havent been plugged off from mice activity. By some new plugs, remove the old ones, spin the motor up with no plugs in it and throttle held open to dry out combustion chambers and put new plugs in it. If you hadnt already removed and cleaned the carbs, I would also suggest draining the bowls into a glass jar and checking for water. Check fuel pump by refilling bowls and listening for clickin as mentioned. Hit the start button with kill switch on, no choke, see if it will start. Add choke as needed, if it fires up remove choke as quickly as possible to avoid blackening new plugs. As its warming up, spit check headers to see if she is running on all four.. If problems still exist, might check wire harness for mice damage. Also, how's your battery? Weak battery can = no runny! Any chance it was stored in freezing temps with no anti freeze?
Druace Posted February 13, 2016 Author #5 Posted February 13, 2016 I changed out the spark plugs and bought a new battery just to be safe. I did store it forgetting to turn the fuel off, but I did take apart the carbs and drained all the fuel out. When I stored it it was in the garage and never got close to freezing temps. The fuel pump clicks normal as it always has and the motor sounds strong no knocks or anything. On full choke it runs no pops or backfires just the oil leak just from the right side tail pipe and when you push the choke in it dies, doesn't even try to stay running. And any throttle even on full choke it bogs and dies. Would throttle position sensor have anything to do with this? I figured after a good cleaning of the carbs and jets it would have solved the problem or even a sync, but with the oil in the mix now I'm lost.
Beach Bum Posted February 13, 2016 #6 Posted February 13, 2016 Guaranteed the crankcase is full of fuel. Check your fuel level and oil level through the window. Somehow when you did the carbs either you didn't adjust the float height correctly or have some debris on the needles and or seats. Drain the oil, clear out the cylinders by pulling the plugs and running the starter as suggested above, and check your floats. Not a big deal but a pain in the ass. Be careful not to turn it over anymore with the plugs in as you could hydrolock the engine and cause more damage.
WildBill1 Posted February 14, 2016 #7 Posted February 14, 2016 I agree with those above gas has sweeped into the crankcase from leaving the pitcock open during storage. Drain and refill with fresh oil just half way on the sight glass at bike level position. Start it and ride like you stole it.
Druace Posted February 14, 2016 Author #8 Posted February 14, 2016 Thank you guys! Will drain and try this tomorrow. Will update. Thanks again for the advice.
Druace Posted February 17, 2016 Author #9 Posted February 17, 2016 Ok so I did the steps above, oil smelled like gas! Drained replaced with new oil and changed oil filter. Pulled the plugs ran to let it dry out replaced everything. It does sound better and no more oil shooting out the tail pipe however the problem of only running on full choke and bogging down on throttle still exists. Very frustrating!
XV1100SE Posted February 17, 2016 #10 Posted February 17, 2016 Easy first step...run a can of Seafoam thru the gas. You could have a blockage in the carbs. Also check your fuel filter (under drivers seat). Run the bike with the petcock turned off for 3 or 4 minutes. Shut off the bike and turn the petcock on. Turn the key on and listen for the pump. Should run for several seconds to recharge the carbs. Another check - take the fuel tank cap off and listen for a "whishing" sound. Could be your vent has a blockage.
Druace Posted February 17, 2016 Author #11 Posted February 17, 2016 I have run seafoam through it, but I didn't even think to check the fuel filter. How about a carb sync? Would that cause any of this frustration? I have learned a valuable leason, always turn your petcock off when not in use!
Beach Bum Posted February 17, 2016 #12 Posted February 17, 2016 You still have a carb issue. If it'll only run with the choke on you have either a fuel level issue or plugged jets. You may also want to check your pilot jet adjustment. Not sure what the spec is on these but probably around two turns out (I'm sure others can verify). You are chasing boogiemen. Go back to the KISS method and look at what started your frustration, an over fueling problem. I left my petcock open all the time and never had an issue with fuel running through the carbs because my floats were doing their job. I've had several instances where I did a set of carbs and had to pull them again because well, carbs. Pilots don't take much to plug or for the adjustment to be off. If your carbs are good, you should be able to run the bike with a coffee can full of fuel held up above the tank connected straight to the fuel inlet tube. Google carb tuning if you're unsure how a carb works and how different throttle positions use different circuits. Or it could be the coils. Or the final drive. Or the rear shock. Or the stereo wiring. Or the clutch. Or the tires.
wizard Posted February 17, 2016 #13 Posted February 17, 2016 To me, it sounds like the fuel pump is failing. With the motor at idle and the choke on to keep it running, take the cover off to expose the fuel pump. Touch it to see if it's hot. It should not be hot.
WildBill1 Posted February 18, 2016 #14 Posted February 18, 2016 Engine is starving for gas. Since you cleaned carbs bet floats are out of adjustment or jets still have debris In them. I think your fuel pump is ok being a 2007.
MiCarl Posted February 18, 2016 #15 Posted February 18, 2016 Classic symptoms of plugged pilot jets. You say you took the carbs apart, did you clean the jets?
GeorgeS Posted February 18, 2016 #16 Posted February 18, 2016 Did you change the fuel filter? ???? Maby its NEVER been replaced !!!!! With NEW fuel, maby 2 gallons, put in a HEAVY Dose of SEA-FOAM, Run engine as best you can, fuel OFF, let it sit couple days. then Repeat this procedure. The Sea Foam, might ( ??? ) clear up any fuel blockage. Also, be sure your are working with ALL NEW Fuel, if you have not completely drained the tank, do that !! Get as much Running Time, with a heavy dose of SEA FOAM as possible,
Druace Posted February 20, 2016 Author #17 Posted February 20, 2016 Ok so took carbs apart again cleaned the jets made sure each piolet screw was 2 turns out buttoned her back up and now she vomits gas when she cranks over.
utadventure Posted February 20, 2016 #18 Posted February 20, 2016 Ok so took carbs apart again cleaned the jets made sure each piolet screw was 2 turns out buttoned her back up and now she vomits gas when she cranks over. I know this sounds a little crazy but have you confused the pilot screws with the drain screws? I guess the question is "where is it vomiting gas"? any pics?
Beach Bum Posted February 21, 2016 #19 Posted February 21, 2016 Ok so took carbs apart again cleaned the jets made sure each piolet screw was 2 turns out buttoned her back up and now she vomits gas when she cranks over.Did you check and set the float height? Carbs aren't all about the jets. You have to remember that often 1mm low or high will affect performance on motorcycle carbs and it doesn't take much to bend them in either direction while handling. Some are more forgiving than others but it is still a crucial step.
dogman Posted March 18, 2016 #21 Posted March 18, 2016 If it is still not running well after all you have done, I would agree with Wizard that it sounds like your fuel pump. I own an 07 also and mine went or rather acted up last summer and I had to change it. Worked like brand new immediately. Best of luck to figure it all out.
RedRider Posted March 18, 2016 #22 Posted March 18, 2016 Check bowl float levels. You have already mastered the most difficult part - removing and replacing the carbs. Check in the 2nd Gen tech section for the procedure to set the bowl float levels. RR
99silver Posted June 12, 2017 #23 Posted June 12, 2017 Have you checked the air filters? an overfilled crankcase will pump oil thru the overflow tubes into the air filter boxes.
Yammer Dan Posted June 13, 2017 #24 Posted June 13, 2017 Drain the tank(PIA) o to Wally World and get a can of BerryMans Chem Tech. Mix with 1/2 gallon of gas. Put in tank. Start Bike. Run til you are sure carbs are full. Shut off. Leave sit at least overnight. Start up add a gallon of gas and run it like you stole it til you need to fill up.
camos Posted June 13, 2017 #25 Posted June 13, 2017 This thread is over a year old and the OP is expired. Probably not much point coming up with any more suggestions.
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