Irresponsible - I am just speechless

[Sailor]

Never make Father of the Year. Totally irresponsible if not suicidal. On the ferries here they stop any car where the driver has a child on their lap or is yapping on a cellphone. It is illegal to have a child on your lap while driving.

[Beach Bum]

Kid with the Uzi was a 9 year old girl and she killed the instructor. She has to live with dad's bad judgement. That video made me sick and reminded me of some of the asinine situations I've put myself and others in in the past. Made me grateful that we "got away with it" but man things could've gone south in a hurry. Thing about regret is that it usually goes hand in hand with situations that affect other people.

[Trader]

I guess I'm just crazy.

I used to ride in the back of pick up trucks and was driven in my parents car with no seatbelts in it.

My dad used to tie he toboggan behind the car and tow us around the survey.

We were one of the first houses in the area and we used to use the construction zone as a jungle gym and playground.

We used to jump on an old hay wagon and ride it down the hill on the road steering with the wooden poles.

I'll bet I even ran with sissors in my hands and played with pointy sticks.

 

The dad in he video would be watching the road for obstacles, and it was open enough if any animal ran out he would see it coming.

But then...I guess I'm just crazy.

[MikeWa]

Looked to me like Dad was familiar with the kids ability. It also looked to me like Dad picked a reasonably safe spot in the road and maintained supervision. When you start the 'What If' response I ask what if they had been struck by lightening? What if a sink hole opened beneath them? What if someone in the bushes shot one of them? There is no end to the possible 'What If' scenarios. For all we know this kid rides a dirt bike every day and dad knows his capability. I won't be so quick to judge without knowing all the facts.

 

Mike

[cowpuc]

I guess I'm just crazy.

I used to ride in the back of pick up trucks and was driven in my parents car with no seatbelts in it.

My dad used to tie he toboggan behind the car and tow us around the survey.

We were one of the first houses in the area and we used to use the construction zone as a jungle gym and playground.

We used to jump on an old hay wagon and ride it down the hill on the road steering with the wooden poles.

I'll bet I even ran with sissors in my hands and played with pointy sticks.

 

The dad in he video would be watching the road for obstacles, and it was open enough if any animal ran out he would see it coming.

But then...I guess I'm just crazy.

 

What da heck,, you one of my siblings or something Trader,, another little brother I never knew I had!

 

Being the case, I will bring ya up to speed.. Raised our children on 60 acres of land on the end of 5 miles of gravel road. Our property bordered over 5000 acres of State Land which became the playground for the 4 kids, Tip and I.. I used a King Size mattress wrapped in plastic and strapped to the back of my Thundercat snowmobile with 50 feet of 1" rope instead of the ol Toboggan behind the beat up old Bronco that Dad use to tow us with.. I made a big knot in the visqueen tied into the rope and then ran a series of knots down the length of the rope that laid across the length of the mattress so my kids could hang on.. My kids had a nick name for riding on that old mattress behind my sled,, they called it "The Magic Carpet Ride" cause when the T-Cat hit 50 the mattress would raise off the ground and "float" on a cushion of a foot or so of air.. They were really athletic kids,, it wasnt long before my son was able to stand up on the mattress and ride it like an air born surf board.. Looking back, I think my daughters Golden Retriever was the only one of the bunch who never got the hang of holding onto a knot in the rope when taking off or hitting the corners during a whip...

There were also lots of two tracks in the area and trails galore.. My kids showed an interest in go-carts, minibikes and all that junk pretty early in life, figured I may as well get em started in spinning wrenches and getting grimy. Go Cart motors were still well over a hundred bucks at the time but junk cars were plentiful and cheaper. Started dragging home junkers for the kids and I to fix up and make home-made go carts out of. Were had 2 Escorts, a Champ and a Horizon.. Took no time at all to knock the doors, windows, hoods and trunk lids out of em.. They were all stick shifts - figured they may as well learn to drive a stick in the dirt.. Had a BALL chasing those kids around in our carts.. Heyyy,, believe it or not my son, nephew and I cleared 67 feet of air on one of our two tracks in our White Escort,, it did hit hard enough on the nose that covered all of us with dirt and set off the emergency stop switch on the fuel pump..

One day one of my kids "city" friends Dad came to pick his little girl up,, she was kinda covered in dirt from playing outside with my daughter all day (no,, my kids were not allowed to run the carts when they had friends over). Never forget it,, the city Dad looked at our 4 go carts sitting there in the field,, he says,, "whats with all the junk cars,, you starting a junk yard or something".. Never seen em again after I said "them aint junk cars,, thems go carts"

 

Our Dad would be proud Trader knowing his crazy spirit didnt fall by the wayside..

Edited February 11, 2016 by cowpuc

[eagleeye]

What da heck,, you one of my siblings or something Trader,, another little brother I never knew I had!

 

Being the case, I will bring ya up to speed.. Raised our children on 60 acres of land on the end of 5 miles of gravel road. Our property bordered over 5000 acres of State Land which became the playground for the 4 kids, Tip and I.. I used a King Size mattress wrapped in plastic and strapped to the back of my Thundercat snowmobile with 50 feet of 1" rope instead of the ol Toboggan behind the beat up old Bronco that Dad use to tow us with.. I made a big knot in the visqueen tied into the rope and then ran a series of knots down the length of the rope that laid across the length of the mattress so my kids could hang on.. My kids had a nick name for riding on that old mattress behind my sled,, they called it "The Magic Carpet Ride" cause when the T-Cat hit 50 the mattress would raise off the ground and "float" on a cushion of a foot or so of air.. They were really athletic kids,, it wasnt long before my son was able to stand up on the mattress and ride it like an air born surf board.. Looking back, I think my daughters Golden Retriever was the only one of the bunch who never got the hang of holding onto a knot in the rope when taking off or hitting the corners during a whip...

There were also lots of two tracks in the area and trails galore.. My kids showed an interest in go-carts, minibikes and all that junk pretty early in life, figured I may as well get em started in spinning wrenches and getting grimy. Go Cart motors were still well over a hundred bucks at the time but junk cars were plentiful and cheaper. Started dragging home junkers for the kids and I to fix up and make home-made go carts out of. Were had 2 Escorts, a Champ and a Horizon.. Took no time at all to knock the doors, windows, hoods and trunk lids out of em.. They were all stick shifts - figured they may as well learn to drive a stick in the dirt.. Had a BALL chasing those kids around in our carts.. Heyyy,, believe it or not my son, nephew and I cleared 67 feet of air on one of our two tracks in our White Escort,, it did hit hard enough on the nose that covered all of us with dirt and set off the emergency stop switch on the fuel pump..

One day one of my kids "city" friends Dad came to pick his little girl up,, she was kinda covered in dirt from playing outside with my daughter all day (no,, my kids were not allowed to run the carts when they had friends over). Never forget it,, the city Dad looked at our 4 go carts sitting there in the field,, he says,, "whats with all the junk cars,, you starting a junk yard or something".. Never seen em again after I said "them aint junk cars,, thems go carts"

 

Our Dad would be proud Trader knowing his crazy spirit didnt fall by the wayside..

 

:worthless:

 

Now this NEEDS pics for sure :missingtooth::missingtooth:

[cowpuc]

:worthless:

 

Now this NEEDS pics for sure :missingtooth::missingtooth:

 

Unfortunately this was long ago,, long before the digital camera's were all the rage and during a time in my life went I spent my time instructing my children instead of taking pictures of them (following the theme of this thread,,,, proving I was actually a good Daddy ) so I cant honestly say I don't remember taking pics back then .. I will say this though Steve,, I just read what you wrote to Tippy, she and is digging thru some photo albums as I type seeing if she may have snapped a few :happy65::cool10:

I could make a video of her verifying the stories if that would help... Or, better yet,, next time we have a family gathering I could make a video of the kids explaining the story in their own words and telling the world whether or not they felt traumatized by their upbringing

[BlueSky]

What da heck,, you one of my siblings or something Trader,, another little brother I never knew I had!

 

Being the case, I will bring ya up to speed.. Raised our children on 60 acres of land on the end of 5 miles of gravel road. Our property bordered over 5000 acres of State Land which became the playground for the 4 kids, Tip and I.. I used a King Size mattress wrapped in plastic and strapped to the back of my Thundercat snowmobile with 50 feet of 1" rope instead of the ol Toboggan behind the beat up old Bronco that Dad use to tow us with.. I made a big knot in the visqueen tied into the rope and then ran a series of knots down the length of the rope that laid across the length of the mattress so my kids could hang on.. My kids had a nick name for riding on that old mattress behind my sled,, they called it "The Magic Carpet Ride" cause when the T-Cat hit 50 the mattress would raise off the ground and "float" on a cushion of a foot or so of air.. They were really athletic kids,, it wasnt long before my son was able to stand up on the mattress and ride it like an air born surf board.. Looking back, I think my daughters Golden Retriever was the only one of the bunch who never got the hang of holding onto a knot in the rope when taking off or hitting the corners during a whip...

There were also lots of two tracks in the area and trails galore.. My kids showed an interest in go-carts, minibikes and all that junk pretty early in life, figured I may as well get em started in spinning wrenches and getting grimy. Go Cart motors were still well over a hundred bucks at the time but junk cars were plentiful and cheaper. Started dragging home junkers for the kids and I to fix up and make home-made go carts out of. Were had 2 Escorts, a Champ and a Horizon.. Took no time at all to knock the doors, windows, hoods and trunk lids out of em.. They were all stick shifts - figured they may as well learn to drive a stick in the dirt.. Had a BALL chasing those kids around in our carts.. Heyyy,, believe it or not my son, nephew and I cleared 67 feet of air on one of our two tracks in our White Escort,, it did hit hard enough on the nose that covered all of us with dirt and set off the emergency stop switch on the fuel pump..

One day one of my kids "city" friends Dad came to pick his little girl up,, she was kinda covered in dirt from playing outside with my daughter all day (no,, my kids were not allowed to run the carts when they had friends over). Never forget it,, the city Dad looked at our 4 go carts sitting there in the field,, he says,, "whats with all the junk cars,, you starting a junk yard or something".. Never seen em again after I said "them aint junk cars,, thems go carts"

 

Our Dad would be proud Trader knowing his crazy spirit didnt fall by the wayside..

 

Must have been fun growing up as a little Pucster!!

[BlueSky]

Kid with the Uzi was a 9 year old girl and she killed the instructor. She has to live with dad's bad judgement.

 

That was another event. I googled and found that the boy who killed himself with an uzi was actually 8 yrs old. The 9 yr old girl did kill the instructor. Both totally senseless.

[saddlebum]

I guess I'm just crazy.

I used to ride in the back of pick up trucks and was driven in my parents car with no seatbelts in it.

My dad used to tie he toboggan behind the car and tow us around the survey.

We were one of the first houses in the area and we used to use the construction zone as a jungle gym and playground.

We used to jump on an old hay wagon and ride it down the hill on the road steering with the wooden poles.

I'll bet I even ran with sissors in my hands and played with pointy sticks.

 

The dad in he video would be watching the road for obstacles, and it was open enough if any animal ran out he would see it coming.

But then...I guess I'm just crazy.

I did all those things growing up as well and in many cases we were lucky not to get hurt as some kids did, but even that is still a far cry from what this father and 6 year old are doing. Sure Dad is watching for obstacles in the road, and he is lucky that he did not have to watch the outcome of a bad situation, if it were to occur. Look at the tiny arms on that fellow, would there be enough there to control a bad situation such as a sudden irregularity in the road that you may not even see in time because of how fast the bike is going? And with regards to Dads reaction time, lets face it there have been enough times when a rider in full control of his bike still lost it because his reaction time even though his hands were on the handle bars, still was not fast enough or good enough to save himself. I agree with Carl that there is a benefit to allowing our kids to learn from experience and that we should not be over protective with our kids. But a situation like this at that young an age is going too far.

[ragtop69gs]

Has anyone considered that it may be a 34 year old midget taking the controls?

 

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

[chabicheka]

Hey....its a biker Dad....we are not known to be the sharpest knife in the drawer. Walking down a side walk is risky too.I am sure the dad was ready in case of any emegency. Loved watching the video. But i agree....many would be concerned about such actions.

[uncledj]

I wouldn't be comfortable doing it, ....but that's just me. We still have a few freedoms left in the ol' US, and one of them is to do things that others may not consider wise. Assuming that's the kids dad, it's up to the dad (within reason) to determine what he wants his son to get away with. Heck, you could make the case that it's irresponsible to let a kid have a dirt bike at all....or play sports.....or leave the house...

I was 6 when I first shot a .44 magnum. My older brother was right there with me....then made me put on his motorcycle helmet first, which was a good thing, 'cause the recoil came back and the hammer put a nick in the helmet right where my forehead was. I'd say that he took reasonable care letting a child (me) fire that weapon. The result, all these years later is that I'm comfortable with, knowledgeable and respectful of and proficient with firearms. If you keep kids in a protective bubble, they'll miss a lot in life.

I'm sure that ride was illegal....but then there's pretty much a law against doing anything these days. Discretion of the prosecutor in this Nation of Men. Anyhoo, I wouldn't do it, but am not upset that they did...and happy that it turned out OK....as far as we know.

Edited February 12, 2016 by uncledj

[Kiwiroyale]

G'day,

 

I brought up 5 children in very similar fashion to yourself PUC, we are a Nation of adventure seeking junkies down here in NZ, I truly believe in letting a child explore and be offered the freedom to do so, but in a CONTROLLED environment (to some extent) I was also brought up seeking adventure and often doing things that would end in complete disaster should anything go wrong, bunjy jumping from a buildings and bridges, jumping out of perfectly aeroplanes, fishing off my dads 6m boat in the rough seas of the Pacific Ocean, climbing huge trees, flying around a paddock on my motorbike to name but a few, I am also an avid hunter I have been hunting/shooting since I was 5-6 yrs old and my children are the same, yes including my daughters.

 

My beautiful little 16 month old Grandson, Brad, has the same bruises we all grew with, I have his first motorbike already pictured in my mind.

 

Around 15 yrs ago over here the "cotton wool" faction (OSH, occupational health and safety) of our Government decided to ban "jungle gyms" (the iron bar arrangements that kids play on, sorry if I offend by explaining, not sure what you call them in your country) as they were too dangerous for children, all other equipment in the playground had to sit on top of approximately 80mm of a soft rubber...so that little Johnny did not hurt himself when he fell...pathetic.

 

In my mind what this taught our children is NOT TO HANG ON!!!!! Just last year we finally had a school principal stand up to the "cotton wooller's " and remove the rubber, put back the jungle gym, and allow all the children 5-10yrs (a primary school over here) to play as they wish, climb trees, play "bull rush" (try and break through a line of children by running at them, great fun!!! yeaup they banned that too!!! a form of your great game...) get dirty, oh heaven forbid... actually just be children... that school now has MASSIVE waiting list of parents wanting to get their children into it, GO FIGURE!!!!! oh and of course, legal action! however the community spirit won and the school is now a bench mark for how the "playground" should operate, UNREAL as that was how it has been since schools were invented here!!!!!

 

I digress slightly,

 

OK, that VIDEO... I do not have a major problem per se with the young fella riding in front, or even holding the bars, my children's first experience on a moto x bike was this way (in a paddock of course) what I HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH IS THE WAY HE IS CLOTHED, totally irresponsible on his Dad's part ( let's assume it's his Dad) yes I know that is boardering into the "what if" brigade but let's face it every "action" is presumed by this phrase surely?

The consequences to this young fella should that bike hit the Tarmac are huge!!!! great to see he has a lid on, but Dad, wrap him up as well mate, please.

 

Steve

[Huggy]

Well in my opinion the only danger I see is if the kid trys to take it out on his own. It may not happen for a few years but as soon as he can reach the shifter he will ands that's where the trouble starts.

[Guest divey]

Unfortunately this was long ago,, long before the digital camera's were all the rage and during a time in my life went I spent my time instructing my children instead of taking pictures of them (following the theme of this thread,,,, proving I was actually a good Daddy ) so I cant honestly say I don't remember taking pics back then .. I will say this though Steve,, I just read what you wrote to Tippy, she and is digging thru some photo albums as I type seeing if she may have snapped a few :happy65::cool10:

I could make a video of her verifying the stories if that would help... Or, better yet,, next time we have a family gathering I could make a video of the kids explaining the story in their own words and telling the world whether or not they felt traumatized by their upbringing

 

Hmmmmm, recognize this lop eared varmint @cowpuc??

 

http://blog.mlive.com/chronicle/news_impact/2009/07/large_01bike-time17.jpg

[cowpuc]

Hmmmmm, recognize this lop eared varmint @cowpuc??

 

http://blog.mlive.com/chronicle/news_impact/2009/07/large_01bike-time17.jpg

 

Nope,, some hippy from Muskegon,, might be my brother though Doug .. Oh my GOSH,, I do make that Tie Dye look good!! Here is a story about it:

http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2009/07/bike_time_gets_off_to_roaring.html

Crazy reporter had no clue about scoots,, I say that cause anyone who knows anything about Honda Chops would have known that the motor in that old scoot was NOT a 79 Honda 750,, that was the year that Honda went to DOHC,,, that was clearly a SOHC built 69 - 78,, oh well - he had a close.. That motor was a 1970.. Good runner too.. Rode it to Sturgis a couple times,, good ride - GREAT FUN!!

Good find,, think I will see if I can find a pic or two of some highway life out west on that critter... Got some around here somewhere.. Liven this place up a little..

THANKS DOUG,, warmed my heart on a sub zero - Flyinfool White Wash Machine infested night!!

Love ya Sonshine!!!!

Ur ol Poppers

[Great adVENTURE]

That's better than the cruise control I have