mirider Posted October 20, 2015 #26 Posted October 20, 2015 Obviously a case where two wrongs don't make a right. I have noticed as a rule that "crotch rocket" riders seem to push the limits more than your average rider and it appears that was the case here but......that in NO way justifies the cager's actions. Unfortunate circumstance all the way around.
cowpuc Posted October 20, 2015 #27 Posted October 20, 2015 Been thinking a lot about this one since original posting.. Maybe its another flaw in my character but I still dont see the apples to apples comparison between someone committing a traffic violation and a blatant intentional attempt at hurting another person (x2 in this case). This probably sounds crazy (consider the source:biker:) but I see a sense of human normality in general traffic violations but cant say the same about a person who would intentionally seek to harm somebody else. From that standpoint, if I were a Judge who got involved with this case I would figure out a way to require some form of mental testing to be done on the troubled feller who said he "didnt care" (my opinion aint changed much). If found competent to stand trial, I still think if it can be proven (might be difficult) intentional that it should go well into a zone of a Felony Crime of sorts - two totally different issues (traffic infraction/Crime = apples to oranges) from the perspective of my pea brain:2cents: Kinda scary to me if I am wrong about this cause a like me (and a large number of varmints I know) aint gonna last 10 minutes in a world that can kill people for doing petty infractions in society as they see fit.. Can be shot for parking next to the bicycle racks at Walmart when its raining:doh:, can be intentionally run over because I simply could not hold my pee any longer , can be beat to death cause I was sleeping on the beach in a no sleeping zone .. Also better keep an eye on our kids in the school systems cause if they are caught sticking gum under a desk (major violation that would get ya 2 whacks when I was in school) could get now get em hanged
Great White Posted October 20, 2015 #28 Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) Obviously a case where two wrongs don't make a right. I have noticed as a rule that "crotch rocket" riders seem to push the limits more than your average rider and it appears that was the case here but......that in NO way justifies the cager's actions. Unfortunate circumstance all the way around. I would say that has more to do with the age group that is drawn to the hyperbikes (ie: young, full of p!ss and vinegar, little sense of their own mortality). I was one of those young guys once and yes, I was riding the "hyperbikes" of the day. Yes, I probably took more chances than I should of. I was once full of p!ss and vinegar too, I've got no more vinegar at this age but lots of the other one..... But given enough time, those young riders either grow out of riding (was more about image for these guys) or move on to the sport touring bikes. Sport touring bikes are often 8/10's of a hyperbike and damned near capable of scaring the pants off you, but the gents riding these tend to be a little older and a little more responsible. They're also aware they don't heal as fast and crashing hurts both the body and the wallet.... But if I were to put my two cents in, I've seen more guys doing stupid crap on straight pipe hogs and metric cruisers around these parts. They're often middle aged to just a bit older, wear those cut off leather jackets with big patches all over them that generally mean nothing, and just being a bunch of @sses and a general nuisance. Loud, taking up space all over the place, passing in places you can't, doing whatever they want where ever they want, etc. I guess they think they're bad @asses or something cause of the bike or clothes they bought... I guess what you ride means not much about how you're going to ride it. It's more about where your head is while you're riding.... Edited October 21, 2015 by Great White
BlueSky Posted October 21, 2015 #29 Posted October 21, 2015 I was obsessed with speed and racing when I was young. Cars, I didn't own a bike. Most of my irresponsible driving was done on lonely roads, much of it late night. I don't do that any more, not much anyway. But, I remember how I was and I can understand young guys who ride too fast or pass on a yellow line. Maybe that makes me different from a lot of you more responsible citizens. When I worked in Homestead, FL, the kids around there and Miami would race from point to point on their sport bikes. It wasn't unusual to see several fly by on the turnpike at speeds over 100 mph weaving in and out of traffic, some of them with girl friends on the back. My thoughts were, "God Bless Them and I hope they live to have grandchildren".
cowpuc Posted October 21, 2015 #30 Posted October 21, 2015 There are places where driving the speed limit is close to commuting suicide. In Chicago, traffic flows is at 20 over. If you go the speed limit there you will be followed at a distance of 3 inches in front of your back bumper. Now ya wanna hear something really crazy Fool,, Tip n I were headed to Sturgis last summer,, she was "hinting" about going up and around again and avoiding what your talking about. I mentioned how I actually dont mind riding the Windy City.. Tip is standing there .. I told her that even fully loaded and her on the back, riding Tweeks thru what you are describing gives me that "feeling" - sorta like I used to get back in the old MX/Harescramblin/Ice Racing days.. That sweet lady jumped on the back and said lets go get your fix As we headed down and around Tip asked if this meant I had changed my mind about my opinion of living in such a place.. I laughed and told her 3 hour Harescrambles were held for 3 hours for a reason,, NO ONE in their right mind would actually want to ride one 24/7
cowpuc Posted October 21, 2015 #32 Posted October 21, 2015 That's why I live in the boonies!!! Positive proof that in spite of all the and you are still in your right mind!!
cowpuc Posted October 21, 2015 #33 Posted October 21, 2015 Here we go,, just found this News report,, 1st vid is really interesting - if you watch it to the end = apparently this Crum (that is actually his last name ) has quite a history. Sounds like its going to go before the Courts.. http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/2015/10/19/driver-in-viral-video-wreck-wreck-charged-with-assault/74240788/
Hummingbird Posted October 21, 2015 #34 Posted October 21, 2015 I see a double yellow line - nuff said
Yammer Dan Posted October 21, 2015 #35 Posted October 21, 2015 No excuse for him using the car as he did.
BlueSky Posted October 21, 2015 #36 Posted October 21, 2015 Here we go,, just found this News report,, 1st vid is really interesting - if you watch it to the end = apparently this Crum (that is actually his last name ) has quite a history. Sounds like its going to go before the Courts.. http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/2015/10/19/driver-in-viral-video-wreck-wreck-charged-with-assault/74240788/ Thanks for the video link. As suspected, the guy is a scumbag and has been. This wasn't a first time going off the handle.
Great White Posted October 21, 2015 #37 Posted October 21, 2015 Given the way the story is changing each time he tells it, I think the Crum guy did it on purpose and should be held culpable for his actions. But I also think that people are missing the fact that buddy on the bike shouldn't have even been on the road in the first place....
WildBill1 Posted October 21, 2015 #38 Posted October 21, 2015 I'm not a violent man by nature but in certain situations I can be. Just to make sure this fool didn't flee the scene I would have shot both his rear tires out. We've had a lot of hit and runs in our area this past year. If I'm a victim I'll at least get my licks in too.
BlueSky Posted October 21, 2015 #39 Posted October 21, 2015 With the video or just witnesses and license plate number, it would have been better to let him run. That would add to his crimes and punishment.
BlueSky Posted October 21, 2015 #40 Posted October 21, 2015 But I also think that people are missing the fact that buddy on the bike shouldn't have even been on the road in the first place.... Whether or not the rider had a license, whether or not he was making an illegal pass, does not decrease the the cager's crime one iota.
Great White Posted October 21, 2015 #41 Posted October 21, 2015 Whether or not the rider had a license, whether or not he was making an illegal pass, does not decrease the the cager's crime one iota. No disagreement here, but the rider has culpability in why the situation developed in the first place. he also knowingly placed his passenger in that situation and should be held responsable for her injuries just like the driver of the car.
cowpuc Posted October 22, 2015 #42 Posted October 22, 2015 No disagreement here, but the rider has culpability in why the situation developed in the first place. he also knowingly placed his passenger in that situation and should be held responsable for her injuries just like the driver of the car. I would agree as long as it could be proven that the rider of the bike had abducted the passenger and she was not riding with him under her own free will..
Great White Posted October 22, 2015 #43 Posted October 22, 2015 I would agree as long as it could be proven that the rider of the bike had abducted the passenger and she was not riding with him under her own free will.. Not necessarily. When a passenger gets on the assumption is the guy piloting is legally able to do so (skill is a different story). The passenger on a bike is also in no real position to stop the pilot from doing something wrong (unlike my wife in the truck who will loose her mind if I'm even following too close). Now, if she knew he had no license and still got on, all bets are off. Even with him taking her "along for the ride" on an illegal pass. Both parties here are pieces of crap IMO. It's just the driver is a bigger piece of crap than the rider.....
BlueSky Posted October 22, 2015 #44 Posted October 22, 2015 Both parties here are pieces of crap IMO. It's just the driver is a bigger piece of crap than the rider..... GW, You have talked a lot about how you like to corner fast laying the bike down to where it scrubs. A patrolman might consider this reckless and give you a traffic ticket. Is riding recklessly okay but passing on a yellow line where you can see there is no danger except for not knowing you were passing a psycho so bad that it makes the rider a scumbag?
Great White Posted October 22, 2015 #45 Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) GW, You have talked a lot about how you like to corner fast laying the bike down to where it scrubs. A patrolman might consider this reckless and give you a traffic ticket. Is riding recklessly okay but passing on a yellow line where you can see there is no danger except for not knowing you were passing a psycho so bad that it makes the rider a scumbag? Nope, I don't ride reckless at all. You're using my words to meet your agenda without context for those words. It doesn't take much to grind the Venture on tight low speed corners I work and I can do it at the speed limit too. All it takes is a late turn in and haul it over (various reasons for late turn in: potholes, debris, shiny spot in the road I don't like the look of, etc) and it's scraping. Or a strafe a hairpin or switchback and I'm leaving steel and aluminum on the pavement. That's at the speed limit too. Just the actual speed limit and not the advisory speed limit that's on the yellow sign. Now if I was scraping my FJ I'd be saying I'm pushing it way to hard on public roads. Thing is, the limits of my skills are higher than the Venture's ability on twisty roads. The FJ is the opposite: it's limits are far higher than mine. I got all my "Recklessness" out of my system in my teen years on a racetrack. Now, am I a perfect law abiding citizen that never breaks a traffic law? Nope. No one is. I've been speeding before, I've made illegal u turns, rolled stop signs, and so forth. But buddy boy in the video shouldn't even have been on a bike on public roads. That's a very different mindset and a very different law breaking. He had his license revoked/suspended. Whatever he did was deemed unsafe enough to pull his license. He proved it was pulled for good reason in the video. They also pull licenses fo the safety of everyone else on the road so buddy boy wouldn't be out there endangering everyone else who has proven to be able to safely and responsibly operate a vehicle. Still doesn't mean the car driver isn't at fault. He is. He's facing criminal charges. As he should if it is proven to be intentional. In the end, sad story all the way around. They're both @ssholes at the end of it. Just one is a bigger @sshole than the other... Edit: just went back and read it again. Says "invalid" license. That could be revoked or he forgot to renew it. Need more info on the particulars of that license breach.... Edited October 22, 2015 by Great White
Great White Posted October 22, 2015 #46 Posted October 22, 2015 I just went looking to see if I could find if his license was expired or revoked and he has a "gofundme" page: https://www.gofundme.com/5q6mbheg Holy crap are people cutting him up in the comments section!
cowpuc Posted October 22, 2015 #47 Posted October 22, 2015 I just went looking to see if I could find if his license was expired or revoked and he has a "gofundme" page: https://www.gofundme.com/5q6mbheg Holy crap are people cutting him up in the comments section! Gonna scoot over and check that out GW,, definitely lots of stuff coming to the surface.. Thanks for the update!! Also, here is a copy/paste of some follow up I posted in the Water Hole thread on all this: Take a look at what the circumstances surrounding Crum's "Terrorist Threat" guilty verdict in the past was founded on.. A lot is brought up in this article that may or may not shed some light on Crum's actions.. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/10/20/m...shotgun-in-07/ And then there is this article: http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/10/20/d...orcycle-crash/ Where this was found: Deputies booked Crum into the Hood County Jail just after midnight on Tuesday, saying that he was uncooperative then and remained so later on Tuesday. His bond was set at $75,000 for each charge. Before being arrested, Crum explained that the swerving was his reaction to a spider bite. However, he was captured on video saying “I don’t care” about the motorcycle crash and the two victims. “On that particular road,” Crum said, “I’ve seen them do wheelies at 60 mph, and I thought he was one of them. I didn’t know there was a passenger.” In Crum's mind,,, it seems that this whole incident would have been explainable and justified if this double line passer on a scoot would have been one of the other bikers who he had seen doing a wheelie at 60 mph?
Great White Posted October 23, 2015 #48 Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Gonna scoot over and check that out GW,, definitely lots of stuff coming to the surface.. Thanks for the update!! Also, here is a copy/paste of some follow up I posted in the Water Hole thread on all this: Take a look at what the circumstances surrounding Crum's "Terrorist Threat" guilty verdict in the past was founded on.. A lot is brought up in this article that may or may not shed some light on Crum's actions.. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/10/20/m...shotgun-in-07/ And then there is this article: http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/10/20/d...orcycle-crash/ Where this was found: Deputies booked Crum into the Hood County Jail just after midnight on Tuesday, saying that he was uncooperative then and remained so later on Tuesday. His bond was set at $75,000 for each charge. Before being arrested, Crum explained that the swerving was his reaction to a spider bite. However, he was captured on video saying “I don’t care” about the motorcycle crash and the two victims. “On that particular road,” Crum said, “I’ve seen them do wheelies at 60 mph, and I thought he was one of them. I didn’t know there was a passenger.” In Crum's mind,,, it seems that this whole incident would have been explainable and justified if this double line passer on a scoot would have been one of the other bikers who he had seen doing a wheelie at 60 mph? Sounds like he's a supporter of "vigilante" style justice. Bad ju-ju there.....always the wrong move. But I also ended up on the riders facebook page while doing a quick search for possibly more info on his "invalid license" thing. The dude is no saint either, that's for sure. He also posted yesterday he's riding again using a friends loaned HD. I wonder if he got that license thing sorted out or....... Edited October 23, 2015 by Great White
cowpuc Posted October 23, 2015 #49 Posted October 23, 2015 I just went looking to see if I could find if his license was expired or revoked and he has a "gofundme" page: https://www.gofundme.com/5q6mbheg Holy crap are people cutting him up in the comments section! WOW ZZZZZ WOW WOW WOW they sure are GW! LOTS of folks who clearly blame him (the rider of the bike) for the accident. Had he just not chosen to break the law and cross the yellow lines non of this would have happened.. There are lots and lots of folks who clearly show no "situational compassion" for someone who clearly broke the highway traffic laws and who may have been attacked by a very disturbed individual with the intent to kill , few others that do show compassion (obviously - his go fund is over 8k at this time) thru their monetary support and prayers.. Definitely some polarized perspectives... Something occurred to me while reading thru the opinions over there.. Anyone on here happen to remember the Green River Killer deal that happened back in 80ish.. The people being hunted and killed were Prostitutes, ladies of the night who were breaking some of our countries oldest laws and also most moral laws of God - real hardcore everyday law breakers.. Apparently some guy finally had enough and figured it was time to off a bunch of him - to some, like myself,, a REAL nasty bad guy who clearly had something wrong in his way of thinking (IMHO).. One day I was out with a group of buddies and we got chatting about those murders.. The guy hadnt been caught yet and it was the hot topic of the day.. During our discussion a point was brought up and yapped about.. The point being that if the Prostitutes would just quit breaking the law all would be good.. A couple of the guys even mentioned that the Prostitutes were responsible for their own demise because their illegal activity was clearly making them targets for this lunatic.. I argued the point of wondering if once the guy got control of the Prostitutes thru his murderous ways if he wouldnt just start on the next group of folks who happen to upset him, maybe even people who were perfect, never broke no laws, never swore or even told a lie or nothing..
Chaplain Dusty Posted October 23, 2015 #50 Posted October 23, 2015 I do not know about Texas, but in New Mexico, both bikers would have been ticketed for reckless driving (passing in a no passing zone, left of center). This is a hefty fine along with possible loss of license and even jail time. The driver of the car also clearly went left of center (intentionally), thus reckless driving and aggravated assault with a motor vehicle. This also would constitute a hefty fine, loss of license and jail time. There was a lot of stupidity here. I do not believe that the driver intended to hit the bike, but clearly wanted to make a statement ( a definite control freak). It did not turn out well, except that no one was killed (praise God for that). People are sitting in prison for similar mistakes. I believe there is a lesson to be learned here. Hopefully, Texas will prosecute all involved to the full extent of their laws. If not, these people will most likely continue in their behavior patterns. Chaplain Dusty "Safe riding is happy riding."
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