Bubber Posted June 30, 2015 Author #26 Posted June 30, 2015 Hey you guys are getting off point. This was a post about my problems not the world's. LOL Points were shipped on Monday from Indiana, estimated time of arrival is 7/6/15. Is Pony Express operating or what? I was hoping to get it soldered in and tested and installed but this weekend but I am at the lake drinking beer, telling jokes, acting smart and playing golf. Hey someone has to do it! Beer is God's way of telling us he loves us. Just saying!!!!! Bubber
wannarsv Posted July 1, 2015 #27 Posted July 1, 2015 I replaced my fuel pump a while back. then I ordered 2 sets of points replaced them in the original pump that I keep with me just in case & have an extra set of points to rebuild the existing pump. hopefully I'm prepaired
cowpuc Posted July 1, 2015 #28 Posted July 1, 2015 Hey you guys are getting off point. This was a post about my problems not the world's. LOL Points were shipped on Monday from Indiana, estimated time of arrival is 7/6/15. Is Pony Express operating or what? I was hoping to get it soldered in and tested and installed but this weekend but I am at the lake drinking beer, telling jokes, acting smart and playing golf. Hey someone has to do it! Beer is God's way of telling us he loves us. Just saying!!!!! Bubber What the heck Bub,, sounds to me like YOU are in the process of solving the worlds problems not US:stickinouttounge:
bongobobny Posted July 1, 2015 #30 Posted July 1, 2015 Pucster, a piece of hose is a temporary fix for a failed fuel pump on a 2nd gen,yes it works as a gravity feed...
cowpuc Posted July 1, 2015 #31 Posted July 1, 2015 Pucster, a piece of hose is a temporary fix for a failed fuel pump on a 2nd gen,yes it works as a gravity feed... I have a hunch you know I gotta ask this,, so why have a fuel pump???
Ace Posted July 1, 2015 #32 Posted July 1, 2015 Yamaha must have changed their source on these pumps for '06-up. The bulk of the failures I am seeing is on bikes '06 and newer (lots of 06 and 07), you don't hear of pump failure on a 2nd gen 99-05 that terribly often. When I had my '06 RSV I had 2 pump failures in 60,000 miles, both due to point failure, both covered under warranty. This 2000 I have now I inspected the points at 42,000 miles and they look brand new so I have no worries it will fail anytime soon. I'll inspect annually but I am thinking I'm going to have zero issues with this on this '00.
Condor Posted July 1, 2015 #33 Posted July 1, 2015 My '99 pump failed at 45,000, and my '07 failed at 80,000
Flyinfool Posted July 1, 2015 #35 Posted July 1, 2015 I thought I read somewhere on this site that with the pump bypass the bike will run, but you may go lean at high rpm, and the last gallon or 2 will not have enough head pressure to feed. But then it is a 2nd gen and I may have no clue what I am talking about.
Kirby Posted July 1, 2015 #36 Posted July 1, 2015 I did a 100 mile run several years ago at 65-75 mph to try to get to the dealer before he closed. Bike ran like a champ. You have to keep a couple of gallons of fuel in the tank because I think to keep enough fuel flowing. I think the reason is that the float bowls are above the lower part of the tank.
cowpuc Posted July 1, 2015 #37 Posted July 1, 2015 I did a 100 mile run several years ago at 65-75 mph to try to get to the dealer before he closed. Bike ran like a champ. You have to keep a couple of gallons of fuel in the tank because I think to keep enough fuel flowing. I think the reason is that the float bowls are above the lower part of the tank. THAT is interesting to me Kirby.. I just glanced at a few pics of some 2nd Gens and they those carbs appear to be low enough that they should flow.. Not trying to cause issue here Kirb, just speaking from observation (PLEASE dont take offense, I just love talking bikes..).. Anyway,,, I have ran into what you are saying many many times in the past in building chops.. I really wonder if replacing the OEM tank petcock (if the 2nd Gens even have such an apparatus) with a high flow standard petcock would not get rid of the need for a pump.. Even if another high flow on the other side of the tank to feed 2 carbs (separate petcocks feeding 2 carbs each).. The problem you have experienced might be from how the tank wraps around the back bone of the bike making it necessary for a feeder tube of some sort to join the tank halves.. If that is the case, then the feeder tube may be the restrictor... Sorry guys if I am getting wayyyyyy out in left field with all this but I just get easily distracted...
Kirby Posted July 1, 2015 #38 Posted July 1, 2015 Hey PUC, back in 2010 my bike which is an '09 had around 26,000 miles on it when the fuel pump failed. I called the dealer in Macon, GA and asked if I could purchase one from them and they told me yes but unless they did the installation it wouldn't be covered under warranty. So I called V7 Goose out in Texas about running the bike without the pump. He told me it would run fine as long as I kept a couple of gallons in the tank so it would have enough head pressure to keep the carbs filled. Now if anyone knows V7Goose they know that there's probably not a more knowledgeable person out there for these bikes. So I took him at his word ,did the bypass, and headed out to the dealer the next evening when I got off work. I haven't tried to run one like that since that time so I know it will work in an emergency.If mine ever fails again, I now have 82,000 miles on it, I may just bypass and see how it will run all the way down to empty. Like you, I'm curious old rascal myself.
djh3 Posted July 2, 2015 #39 Posted July 2, 2015 Puc Im with you and a few others on the gravity flow. Dunno why it wont like the old hondas and Yamahas back in the day. But just some weird science going on. Maybe its the fuel line routing.
Condor Posted July 2, 2015 #40 Posted July 2, 2015 THAT is interesting to me Kirby.. I just glanced at a few pics of some 2nd Gens and they those carbs appear to be low enough that they should flow.. Not trying to cause issue here Kirb, just speaking from observation (PLEASE dont take offense, I just love talking bikes..).. making it necessary for a feeder tube of some sort to join the tank halves.. If that is the case, then the feeder tube may be the restrictor... Sorry guys if I am getting wayyyyyy out in left field with all this but I just get easily distracted... The tanks on these 2-gens have very little tunnel for the backbone at the rear of the tank. MOF if I remember it's almost flat from one side to the other.
vzuden Posted July 2, 2015 #41 Posted July 2, 2015 Maybe its the fuel line routing. There are some drops and twists in and out of the filter. I think gravity flow works best when avoiding the filter, as in an emergency repair to get you to where you get the pump fixed
djh3 Posted July 2, 2015 #42 Posted July 2, 2015 Had an old school mechanic I worked with in USAF. His fuel pump crapped out like 200 miles from home. Had an old LTD. He rigged up a hose to the tank, ran it up inside the car, blew into it to get running (push fuel to carb) then stuck hose out window once got going and I guess had enough air pressure to force air in tank and up to carb. Sounds flaky, but I saw the car and the hose rig.
Bubber Posted July 3, 2015 Author #43 Posted July 3, 2015 OK I got the points today and just installed them in the Pump, You have to solder on one wire and the other two screw down. Now I have to wait till I get back on Sunday to install and test it out before buttoning it up. I sure hope this works because I am not sure what I would try next. Hope you all have a good 4th of July. Bubber
Bubber Posted July 11, 2015 Author #44 Posted July 11, 2015 OK I got the pump in the pike and it works. Went and filled the tank and put a few miles on. Everything seems to be running good. I guess I won't trust it till I get a few more miles on. So it looks like it was the points all along. Bubber
Bubber Posted July 11, 2015 Author #45 Posted July 11, 2015 OK I got the pump in the bike and it works. Went and filled the tank and put a few miles on. Everything seems to be running good. I guess I won't trust it till I get a few more miles on. So it looks like it was the points all along. Bubber
Flyinfool Posted July 11, 2015 #46 Posted July 11, 2015 You will not know if the pump is working till the tank is nearly empty. Go out and ride some more..........
Bubber Posted July 12, 2015 Author #47 Posted July 12, 2015 OTAY I will! You talked me into it. I do it tomorrow. Bubber
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