My Beautiful 86VR Arrived in Germany.

[Guest Popeye]

However, ALL the chrome was corroded, the new carbs arrived unusable [Yamaha engineer said they are at 200k miles]. It was sent to FL port running perfectly & well covered & supposedly in a crate with 2 cages in good shape?

Buyer isn't happy. It left here in excellent shape.

I even had to ride it to the main highway to the transport truck. Buyer made ALL shipping arrangements.

 

These pics are 3 days after he picked it up at the harbor. Something went REAL wrong.

The #2 cylinder wouldn't fire & the 98% bike arrived as nearly junk.

Any Ideas?

[kantornado]

Popeye you had a BEAUTIFUL 86 with allot of CHROME how the heck did that happen during shipping.

It looks as tho it was submerged in salt water.

 

I hope the carrier is responsible for the damage and it suxs for the buyer.

I know if I would of got something like that I would be P.O. to say the least.

 

Did you take pictures as they crated it?? to cover your butt.

 

If not you should probably make a thread for other overseas sellers of things to do while shipping overseas.

Say pictures of bike as they pack it, bills of shipping or any-other documents,

I feel bad for the buyer............................Ron

[dr.nemo]

What a shame, that was a beautiful bike... If it was submerged in salt water you'd think there would be some evidence of that.. Hopefully the new owner can prove this and be reimbursed some money for damages...

[KeithR]

Looking at the pic's in your gallery its hard to believe that it is the same bike! ( I assume that is the one you sold). Is it silly to think there was a switch made somewhere ?

 

Keith

[Kregerdoodle]

Just a feeling, but I think the buyer is trying to yank your chain and get you to come off some cash...just a gut feeling..

[Squeeze]

Hey, what i said, get rid of the Wife instead of the Bike .....

 

Sorry, just kidding, i couldn't resist.

 

 

 

Seriously, i don't believe that the Buyer is trying to trick you. If you store a huge metal Object near salty Water or in such Air, everything gets rusted quite quickly. On the Chrome, it's mostly a thorough cleaning Job and some conserving Chemics.

 

Now, on the electrics and mechanical Parts, this could get a real Problem. All Contacts and Connectors need to be undone, cleaned and reconnected with dielectric Grease. This might contribute to the Cylinder not firing. I don't know a Yammi Engineer, but for my Eyes, these Carbs can't tell a 200k Mls Story by that Picture. Problem is, everything is contaminated by the salty Air. This includes Tank, Frame, Combustion Chambers, Cams, you name it.

 

I think the Container in which the Crate was stored, has made the Travel over the Pond on the Deck of the Container ship. Maybe the Container took a hit from a Wave and was completly wet on the outside, possibly some Water got inside. I don't know if that could make anyone liable.

 

Where is the Buyer from? If he wants to get rid of the Bike, i would be interested in a rolling Chassis with a 1300cc Motor for a custom Project at a good Price. I won't need the Wheels, Plastics, Compressor.

[stardbog]

Looks like somebody use your bike to ride round ship. Or Maybe as second engine to get faster back to europe :rotf:

[Guest Popeye]

I felt like stink when I saw the pics, even though I had heard of it all.

The Buyer is a great guy & an electrical wizard. He said the carb tubes were oval instead of round & can't believe it was ridden to the truck & on it........fortunately, by the transport driver. I gave him a 12x16 tarp & all the rope they wanted.

 

He got replacement carbs/block & it's running as of today, but it all seems so impossible. I'm sure it was expensive over there. It cost me $1800. to have the carbs redone last summer [when I planned on keeping it].

 

I have pics, truck driver who rode it & a deputy who pulled up & watched it all. None of it makes it better for him though.

[Squeeze]

.... He said the carb tubes were oval instead of round ....

 

 

What Tubes is he reffering to ?

[dynodon]

Am I reading that the shipping was the responsibility of the buyer? If so, the buyer should have arranged for weatherproof container before the bike ever got near a dock, at least that is the way I would want it. Bike wrapped and sealed in plastic, double thick, and in a sealed box before ever getting near a container.

 

Never having shipped anything overseas, I don't know how that works, but I suspect there are shipping companies that certify the contents so they don't have to be uncrated during the trip.

 

Anyway, sad deal.

[Condor]

However, ALL the chrome was corroded, the new carbs arrived unusable [Yamaha engineer said they are at 200k miles]. It was sent to FL port running perfectly & well covered & supposedly in a crate with 2 cages in good shape?

Buyer isn't happy. It left here in excellent shape.

I even had to ride it to the main highway to the transport truck. Buyer made ALL shipping arrangements.

 

These pics are 3 days after he picked it up at the harbor. Something went REAL wrong.

The #2 cylinder wouldn't fire & the 98% bike arrived as nearly junk.

Any Ideas?

 

Somebody swapped out the bikes. That chrome chin fairing in the pic is from an 83-84. It won't fit an 86-93. Did you take any pictures of you 86 being loaded???

 

OK, my bad. I see by the pic in your gallery that you had one of the early chrome chins installed. Must be using the earlier crash guards...

[Guest Bigin]

Can't be the same bike. How long was it in transit?

[GigaWhiskey]

I am not convinved it is the same bike from the attached pics and the ones in your gallery.

 

Sure is a lot of space difference on the lower fairing piece, lower fin and radiator. Is that Seagull poop on the front wheel?

 

From the dust/dirt on the attached pics, looks like it has never been taken apart and dusted/cleaned. Form the bikes condition in the pics, i would imagine it to be far cleaner, even if you hadn't dusted in a couple of years.

[Guest Popeye]

Bike took about 28 days for the trip with some time in the warehouses.

Gap in chrome behind wheel wasn't there. Corrosion pits in the wheels are permanent.

Paint won't buff clean, etc., chrome is ruined, but that's all shipping.

 

The absolute worst part is there is no way to ever explain the carbs...unless they were swapped along the way, but that seems way out there, but still the best, & only thing I can figure.

 

kantornado; suggested to post how to do it right. 5 things I learned:

Proper way to ship a bike overseas: buy a reusable poly motorcycle crate [$700.], have shippers put bike into crate, ship overseas with full insurance, then sell crate for $550. at harbor after inspecting bike & signing off for insurance. One reputable company does it all [no one else to blame].

Pics at every stage while in your control.

 

When I got my 97, it was iced over, left in an overnight storm, mud, salt & grit in everything. I told buyer about my bike's [one-night]experience + pics, but he still made bargain arrangements & no insurance. The bike left on the back lower deck of an 80 ft carhauler wrapped in a tarp.

 

I REALLY feel bad for the guy. It actually makes me sick to see it.

 

GigaWhiskey; The dust/dirt wasn't there in August.

[debelt]

Out side of nastalgic reasons, why would anyone buy a 22 year old bike? Not trying to be sarcastic. I just don't get it. In a couple more years , you won't even be able to get parts for them anymore. Technology has long passed them by. What is the appeal?

[buddy]

Popeye,

 

I remember seeing your bike in Eureka springs last year. Your bike was a knock out. You dint need head lights you had all that chrome . Yes your Venture was very nice indeed no bad looking spots at all. Hard to beleive that these photos are of your old Venture. Did he say anything about the VIN# matching? on the bike...

[BradT]

WHen we ship our products over the ocena some of them sit on the deck. I believe they are sprayed with something to protect the electrical and the paint. Our Brazilian office is now shrink wrapping them.

 

That Salt air will destroy everything Chrome, electrical, paint etc...

 

Brad

[Darkjubliee]

Not a bike, but steel coils. I work in the steel industry and we used to get steel coils in from overseas all the time. They were always wrapped in "cans", paper and generally heavy grease. Some coils would be perfect, others trashed. All depends where the package was placed on the ship. If on top and ran through some rough weather, water in a container would do this. If it was in the bottom of the ship and again took on some water - ruined product. Sucks but like several said, should have been oiled, greased, wrapped in waterproof paper or plastic and then put in a water tight container.

[MikeM8560]

Out side of nastalgic reasons, why would anyone buy a 22 year old bike? Not trying to be sarcastic. I just don't get it. In a couple more years , you won't even be able to get parts for them anymore. Technology has long passed them by. What is the appeal?

So what has passed a 1st gen besides bodywork ?

[91nwl]

Out side of nastalgic reasons, why would anyone buy a 22 year old bike? Not trying to be sarcastic. I just don't get it. In a couple more years , you won't even be able to get parts for them anymore. Technology has long passed them by. What is the appeal?

 

My 91 is 17 years old and is still a very nice bike and still compares well with all current touring bikes. I'm keeping it until my mechanic retires. He really knows ventures. He plans to work another 10 years. The first gen ventures are very popular in Europe.

[GigaWhiskey]

Out side of nastalgic reasons, why would anyone buy a 22 year old bike? Not trying to be sarcastic. I just don't get it. In a couple more years , you won't even be able to get parts for them anymore. Technology has long passed them by. What is the appeal?

 

I am still looking for a K1 to K8 Honda CB750 in my neck of the woods at a price that i want to spend. You can still find parts for these bikes, even 836 big bore kits with Carrillo rods amongst a barrage of other stuff.

 

NEway, this is much older than my MKI. Technology might be on the wayside here for this type of bike but it is the thrill of it all. Same goes with the MKI/MKII, there is a nice thrill to it at which many of us can afford

 

So, the appeal is in the eyes and heart as well as how deep our pocketbook is for what bike or bikes that you own.

[dr.nemo]

Looking at the pics again.... If I had a bike shipped to me and the difference in condition was as depicted in the photos you have shown, I can't imagine starting to tear it apart to repair it right away... I would be taking pictures of the bike in the shape it was delivered in, and post them beside the pics of how it was suppose to look.. By some chance these pics sent by himself may well be of an almost identical bike he is working on...!! Lets face it he must be a fanatic to buy a bike from over seas to begin with..

 

I would have asked why he did not take pics as soon as he saw the bike in this "terrible" condition.. Why wait till its all in pieces and barely recognizable to take/send pics..???

[dragerman]

Looking at the pics again.... If I had a bike shipped to me and the difference in condition was as depicted in the photos you have shown, I can't imagine starting to tear it apart to repair it right away... I would be taking pictures of the bike in the shape it was delivered in, and post them beside the pics of how it was suppose to look.. By some chance these pics sent by himself may well be of an almost identical bike he is working on...!! Lets face it he must be a fanatic to buy a bike from over seas to begin with..

 

I would have asked why he did not take pics as soon as he saw the bike in this "terrible" condition.. Why wait till its all in pieces and barely recognizable to take/send pics..???

... Thats what me thinks!

[bongobobny]

Out side of nastalgic reasons, why would anyone buy a 22 year old bike? Not trying to be sarcastic. I just don't get it. In a couple more years , you won't even be able to get parts for them anymore. Technology has long passed them by. What is the appeal?

 

Did you ever ride one??

[wild hair 39]

Out side of nastalgic reasons, why would anyone buy a 22 year old bike? Not trying to be sarcastic. I just don't get it. In a couple more years , you won't even be able to get parts for them anymore. Technology has long passed them by. What is the appeal?

 

 

1 gen, the looks,the ride,the reliablilty,having a bike,that runs vary strong,maybe the $$$$,i don't have as much tied in all my bikes as you in one,the sadesfaction of knowing that,the 150000 mls,on her is due to my abillty to maintain,it,no stealer has even looked at my bikes,if thats not enough,then

I LOVE HER