Skid Posted March 1, 2015 #1 Posted March 1, 2015 So West Virginia legislature is debating on discontinuing concealed weapon permits. I know that Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Vermont, & Wyoming has already done away with theirs. My question is has crime increased or decreased. Also since a permit is required in other states, does most people still obtain a concealed permit? Just wondering.
slowrollwv Posted March 1, 2015 #2 Posted March 1, 2015 I am not sure how that law will work but I would get the permit before carrying in other states that do require them. Not having the permit may send someone to jail if caught.
syscrusher Posted March 1, 2015 #3 Posted March 1, 2015 So West Virginia legislature is debating on discontinuing concealed weapon permits. I know that Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Vermont, & Wyoming has already done away with theirs. My question is has crime increased or decreased. Also since a permit is required in other states, does most people still obtain a concealed permit? Just wondering. I couldn't find info on this. Are you saying concealed carry is now legal in these states without a permit?
Skid Posted March 1, 2015 Author #4 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Most people would want to be able to carry concealed during traveling on vacation etc... I will continue to have a permit regardless. I really don't expect it will make a it difference since criminals don't get a permit anyway. Edited March 1, 2015 by Skid
Skid Posted March 1, 2015 Author #5 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Yes according to news WV would be the sixth state not to require a permit to carry concealed. WV already allows open carry in the state. Edited March 1, 2015 by Skid
Ben Rollins Posted March 1, 2015 #6 Posted March 1, 2015 I don't have a CC permit, But at night when the wife and I walk the dog I sometimes carry mine concealed. Am I wrong to do it?
CaptainJoe Posted March 1, 2015 #7 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Increased. I've had a conceal carry for +30 yrs. I know which states that I travel to, honor them. .. In the states that don't, I simply separate the ammo from the weapon and store accordingly. Federal statutes supersede state laws and so far I have traveled without incidence. I will continue to pay the fee for conceal carry until all states implement this. Edited March 1, 2015 by CaptainJoe
starman Posted March 1, 2015 #8 Posted March 1, 2015 AS my son says I had rather be judjed by 12 than be carried by 6,and he is a cwp instruter
Venturous Posted March 1, 2015 #9 Posted March 1, 2015 I don't have a CC permit, But at night when the wife and I walk the dog I sometimes carry mine concealed. Am I wrong to do it? Depends on KY law... but it is probably illegal unless you walk your dog only on your property.
MikeWa Posted March 1, 2015 #10 Posted March 1, 2015 It is great that some states will let you carry concealed without a permit. In my opinion permits should not be required to carry a firearm. Also most permits are not transportable from state to state unless the particular state in question has a reciprocal agreement. So interstate carry becomes very confusing and difficult for law abiding citizens. Criminals don't care. Mike
Skid Posted March 1, 2015 Author #11 Posted March 1, 2015 So far the Bill has passed through the Senate and is now in the House side. It was quickly voted and moved through with very little opposition. It will be interesting this week to see how it moves. So far I've heard the age is 18 and up, where before the age for a CCW was 21 and up. And not sure how it affects out of state residents that are in the state. The only argument for this Bill is the Second Amendment. Also in West Virginia you can openly carry a pistol on your side legally. If everyone would answer this question for me, does your state have the right to carry openly?
cowpuc Posted March 1, 2015 #14 Posted March 1, 2015 Yep, Michigan is an open carry State.. We also have the Concealed Carry business but because of the ultimate authority of the US Constitution and the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear, most folks around here never paid much attention to the CCW stuff. Actually folks around here always seemed kind of afraid of the whole CCW thing cause they didnt want the wrong people having knowledge of what kind of artillary they had. Now the ammo shortage stuff that caused a ruckus, it wasnt very long ago that the back woods two tracks always had people tossing lead around but that has been cut way back simply because of economics. Its really funny cause my daughter and I used to think nothing of blowing off a couple bricks of 22's while out for the day on the bike,, not no more.. I haven't packed for vacations/travel for many years. If Tip and I ever finally make it up to Alaska we will probably stop once we get there and grab a cheap 12 gauge shotgun and tie it on Tweeks side and then pawn it when we leave.. Years ago I packed open all over the west on my scoot - everyone did. Never ever had a reason to drag it out and, quite frankly, it became more of nuisance than it was worth - never did see a Grizz and the serial killers just never appeared.. Kind of figure that this will probably be different up in Alaska BUT,, maybe we will be surprised and find all the bears gone up there too..
midnightventure Posted March 1, 2015 #15 Posted March 1, 2015 So far the Bill has passed through the Senate and is now in the House side. It was quickly voted and moved through with very little opposition. It will be interesting this week to see how it moves. So far I've heard the age is 18 and up, where before the age for a CCW was 21 and up. And not sure how it affects out of state residents that are in the state. The only argument for this Bill is the Second Amendment. Also in West Virginia you can openly carry a pistol on your side legally. If everyone would answer this question for me, does your state have the right to carry openly? Open carry is legal in Mo. I have a friend who did it for years but I was never comfortable doing it. He is now in law enforcement.
Freebird Posted March 1, 2015 #16 Posted March 1, 2015 Well, according to that map I may be wrong but I thought that open carry was allowed in Ohio IF you had a concealed carry permit.
uncledj Posted March 1, 2015 #17 Posted March 1, 2015 My understanding (in Columbus,Ohio) is that there was no law on the books preventing open carry, but if you did it you'd be picked up for creating a public nuisance or some other charge. An armed society is a polite society. I think it's pretty cool that they're starting to lift these restrictions. I'll bet the lawyers love it too. There's the potential for lots of future business.
Condor Posted March 1, 2015 #18 Posted March 1, 2015 I'm an old gun guy. Which means I have a lot of guns, but don't shoot anymore. However, when on a trip, be it car or bike, I do carry, ....and I don't have a CCW. I think of it as I would a parachute, or life raft. You hope you never need to use it, but when you do it's nice to have one onboard.... The 12/6 is a great motto....
BlueSky Posted March 1, 2015 #19 Posted March 1, 2015 Open carry would just get people nervous around here and attract the attention and concern of the authorities I'm afraid. I wouldn't want to do that. But I have a permit for concealed carry and I do.
Flyinfool Posted March 1, 2015 #20 Posted March 1, 2015 I am a resident of WI but I hunt a lot in MI. I had to get my CCW for WI so that I could use a handgun in MI. The law in MI reads that unless you have a CCW from your home state, a non resident can NOT even be in possession of a hand gun. Even if it is unloaded and cased and in the trunk. When I am walking in the woods up there I always carry, I have never had to shoot an animal with the hand gun, but making a loud noise did once scare away a wolf that was stalking us. I've had other encounters with wildlife in MI and WI where I had the gun out but did not need to fire. As the law is in MI, If you are from a state that does not issue a CCW permit, then as a non MI resident you can not be in possession of a handgun period. I spoke with several LEOs up there and got the same story from each of them.
Gray Ghost Posted March 1, 2015 #21 Posted March 1, 2015 Texas surprises me on that list... There are some gun bills being considered that would change things up here. Open carry is one of them. It is fairly contentious right now.
MiCarl Posted March 1, 2015 #22 Posted March 1, 2015 As the law is in MI, If you are from a state that does not issue a CCW permit, then as a non MI resident you can not be in possession of a handgun period. I spoke with several LEOs up there and got the same story from each of them. I believe it has to do with our handgun registration: 1) Every hand gun in Michigan must be registered with the State Police. 2) Non-residents cannot register a hand gun in Michigan. 3) It is illegal to posses a handgun that is not registered to you unless you have a CPL. (Our license is called a Concealed Pistol License). There is an exemption allowing CPL/CCW holders from reciprocity states to possess in Michigan. If your home state adopted permit-less concealed carry and stopped issuing permits you'd have no way to carry legally in Michigan or other states with similar rules.
Skid Posted March 1, 2015 Author #23 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) I see now that Maine is thinking about doing away with their CCW permits. Also there are some states that will issue non residence a CCW permit. I ran across one guy that lived in a New England state and had a CCW from a state out west he never been to. Edited March 2, 2015 by Skid
Flyinfool Posted March 1, 2015 #24 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Utah and Florida are 2 very popular states to get a CCW from. Those two are are the most widely accepted by other states. Edited March 2, 2015 by Flyinfool
Daveand Barbie Posted March 1, 2015 #25 Posted March 1, 2015 Ohio does in fact honor open carry, but it is my opinion one gives up the element of surprise if you carry in plain sight. i have had a Utah non resident permit for some time, but they changed the law to require me to have an Ohio to renew, so now I have both which allows me to carry in any state that is worth visiting.
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