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went to a brand new dealership the other day asked for a price on valve adjustment.

they said they had a new electronic carb tuner that reads the pulses of the engine and they can tell by the lines on the chart if any valves are out of adjustment and even if they need to be looked at, are they pulling my leg....or could this be true ? I have a 2000 mm rsv 51,000 miles...

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Sure. By the way I got some land down over by me thats really good fishing. Honest :fingers-crossed-emoMe thinks he's pulling your leg.

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went to a brand new dealership the other day asked for a price on valve adjustment.

they said they had a new electronic carb tuner that reads the pulses of the engine and they can tell by the lines on the chart if any valves are out of adjustment and even if they need to be looked at, are they pulling my leg....or could this be true ? I have a 2000 mm rsv 51,000 miles...

 

Are they still gonna charge you a pretty penny to test it out? (trying to arch an eyebrow like The Rock.. the incredulous look thing...)

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To be fair it is theoretically possible to devise such an electronic contraption.

 

It would have to connect up to all 4 sync ports and by monitoring the vacuum/pressure pulses you could determine the total duration that the valve is open. As the valve train wears on these engines the clearance gets smaller which would cause the duration to get longer. The same would hold true on the exhaust side. They would need to connect up to each of the 4 exhaust pipes (is there even a port existing to do this?) to monitor the pressure pulses to determine the exact moment that the valves open or close.

 

Since we have 4 valves per cylinder, there are 2 intake valves opening and closing at the same time, one of these could be out but be masked by the other one that is not out, because something opened and closed at the right time.

Again same holds true for the exhaust.

 

The difficulty would be to be able to detect that very first moment when the valve just barely starts to open by monitoring a pressure change that is some distance from the valve. When that valve is just opening by less than a thousandth of an inch, is there even a measurable change in pressure several inches from that valve where the monitor would be hooked up?

I can see with modern electronics and computers that the system could detect valves that are way out of whack, but I strongly doubt that it is possible to detect valves that are only slightly out of spec either high or low.

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Yes and no. These things can read pulses and tell if compression is low or if there is a misfire. However valve adjustment can be out of spec before it starts to effect engine operation. They are putting to much faith in their new tester.

 

Mike

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Yes and no. These things can read pulses and tell if compression is low or if there is a misfire. However valve adjustment can be out of spec before it starts to effect engine operation. They are putting to much faith in their new tester.

 

Mike

 

Hehe

Thats kind of what I said or at least meant, but I needed a lot more words.......:thumbsup:

Maybe I've been reading to many of Cowpucs posts......:stirthepot:

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thank you all for the reply's....it sounded strange to me...but I was was wishing :fingers-crossed-emo it was true at $125.00 and 30 min. test would of been great.

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Chances are at 51k miles you would have 1 or 2 at least out of 16 valves that after spending $125.00 for checking, you would still have to go through the process of setting the clearances on and to have a shop do that also would have cost mega bucks. Best thing IMHO is break it down and be sure its done right all around. This way takes all the guess work out of the picture. Just my:2cents: worth.

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Also over time the cover gasket rubber hardens and tend to develop cracks and start seeping oil.

 

If you are replacing gaskets might as well check/set clearances as 90% of the work is done.

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To be fair it is theoretically possible to devise such an electronic contraption.

 

It would have to connect up to all 4 sync ports and by monitoring the vacuum/pressure pulses you could determine the total duration that the valve is open. As the valve train wears on these engines the clearance gets smaller which would cause the duration to get longer. The same would hold true on the exhaust side. They would need to connect up to each of the 4 exhaust pipes (is there even a port existing to do this?) to monitor the pressure pulses to determine the exact moment that the valves open or close.

 

Since we have 4 valves per cylinder, there are 2 intake valves opening and closing at the same time, one of these could be out but be masked by the other one that is not out, because something opened and closed at the right time.

Again same holds true for the exhaust.

 

The difficulty would be to be able to detect that very first moment when the valve just barely starts to open by monitoring a pressure change that is some distance from the valve. When that valve is just opening by less than a thousandth of an inch, is there even a measurable change in pressure several inches from that valve where the monitor would be hooked up?

I can see with modern electronics and computers that the system could detect valves that are way out of whack, but I strongly doubt that it is possible to detect valves that are only slightly out of spec either high or low.

 

My exact thoughts. I don't know why Yammer Dan is giving you so much static. :moped:

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