Info needed fork seals

[kentuckyrider]

I am upgrading to progressives and replacing fork seals and bushings on my 91 1300 venture. Wanting to get a tool to seat seals on forks. Found some cheaper ones on ebay hoping this will be a one time use, but not sure what size to order anyone know what metric size I need for the seals? Push comes to shove I can get a digital caliper to measure the forks, but if anyone knows it would be appreciated! Thanks, MJ

[Venturous Randy]

I believe that fork seals is one of the things that most people will suggest using genuine Yamaha parts.

RandyA

[Pegasus1300]

the tried and true old method is to use an appropriate sized socket as a seal tool and having done so for years they do well. If you want a real seal tool go to Harbor Freight. They have one that will fit multiple sizes in one tool for about 8 or nine bucks. It worked well for me on the last set of seals I did.

[kentuckyrider]

Thanks for the replies I went with yamaha parts. I will check out harbor freight.

[kentuckyrider]

Got a couple more questions. I ordered yamaha oem metal slide (3JJ-23125-00-00) x 2, oil seal (INL-23125-00-00) x 2, piston front fork (3JJ-23171-00-00) x 2. Appears the 91 1300 VR did not use dust seal 26H-23144-00-00. If I order that can I use that to help protect seals? My boots are torn and I can not find OE boots for it. Does anyone know where I can get the boots? I found some on amazon that might work. Going to try them if I can't find anything else. Also wondering if I add the aftermarket boots and 23144 dust seal if it will help protect the fork seals. Has anyone else done this on your venture? Thanks, MJ

[dingy]

I looked at the parts fiche for the 90-93 Ventures and they do not show a dust cover. Also looked at the service manual for the 86-93 Ventures, I have the addendum's for 88-89 and 90-93. They do not show a change to the fork assemblies. The lower outer fork tube does show a part number change in 1990 though indicating a change. Does bike have dust covers on it now?. The seal p/n's are the same in 1986 & 1991, which indicates outer fork bore at the top is the same as well as the outer dia. of the upper fork tube. Your existing dust covers are likely reusable if you don't want to chance buying a pair. They are $13.38 each on Boats.net for the 1988 set. I would think that they are needed. Yamaha has numerous errors in the service manual and likely the parts fiches as well.

 

A low cost seal driver can be made from an 18" long 1 1/2" schedule 40 piece of pvc pipe. Chamfer the I.D. of the pipe that will be against the seal to prevent damage to the seal lip. The seal can be driven in using a hammer on upper end of pipe. This will only work if the forks have been removed from the triple trees. Some people rebuild the forks while upper tubes are still in the triple trees, which then requires a split driver to get them seated.

 

There are two washers, above and below the main oil seal. the one with the larger I.D. goes under the seal, the one with the smaller I.D. goes above the seal. I have seen the upper washer be either a flat washer, or a cone shape. Varies in different years. If the larger I.D. washer is placed above the seal, the seal will be forced up through the washer. I found this out by reassembling a set incorrectly and they rather quickly started leaking again.

 

Gary

[kentuckyrider]

Thanks Gary. I have had this in the garage since last summer. Have not tore it all the way down yet. I have been working too many hours and not had the time to stay with this. I did order the progressives and parts I listed. Just did not see the dust covers off the site I ordered from. I have some other things I am doing while I got this down. Hoping to get everything done soon tho. I plan on doing this with the forks still on the bike. My boots are tore pretty bad. Am hoping aftermarket boots will work. After researching other years I seen prior to the 91 there was a dust seal not listed on mine. That is when I got to wondering if I could add the dust seal for extra protection. When I get this tore down I will let you know. Just trying to get what I need in advance. Thanks; for the help! MJ

[dingy]

The dust seal will be obvious when it is assembled. Can you post a picture of the seal area with the fork booties pulled up showing top of lower tube? It will be easy to see dust seal.

 

Gary

[dingy]

Attached is picture of front forks I just took, dust seal on left has been slid up a few inches so you can see it. Right one is in place.

 

Gary

[cabreco]

I used this one.

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It worked like a charm the FIRST time! That was in 2012.

[kentuckyrider]

The dust seal will be obvious when it is assembled. Can you post a picture of the seal area with the fork booties pulled up showing top of lower tube? It will be easy to see dust seal.

 

Gary

Tried to do this with my phone, but could not. Mine does not have the seal. If I order 26H-2344-00-00 Do you think it will fit? Thanks, MJ http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/TJ41/th_20140316_200500_zps8f11f604.jpeg http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/TJ41/th_20140316_200439_zps390426e5.jpeg

Edited March 17, 2014 by kentuckyrider

[kentuckyrider]

I used this one.

Amazon.com: Motion Pro (08-0489) 41mm Ringer Fork Seal Driver: Automotive

It worked like a charm the FIRST time! That was in 2012.

This is what I got when I entered my info. This does not fit your:

1991 Yamaha XVZ1300 Venture R…

[dingy]

Tried to do this with my phone, but could not. Mine does not have the seal. If I order 26H-2344-00-00 Do you think it will fit? Thanks, MJ http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/TJ41/th_20140316_200500_zps8f11f604.jpeg http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/TJ41/th_20140316_200439_zps390426e5.jpeg

 

The pocket for the seals is there, but no seals. There were upper fork boots on the 90-93's. Possibly Yamaha felt the boots were a replacement for the dust seals. I sort of thought they were to keep bugs and other stuff from sticking to the inner tubes and then damaging seals. P/N 3JJ-23191-00-00

 

At $74 apiece for the boots, the dust seals seem cheap.

 

You would want item #8 in attached screen captue.

 

Gary

[kentuckyrider]

Thanks Gary. I will order them and the after market boots. I think they are 16 bucks and up. They might help protect against the forks getting dinged with bugs or rocks.

[cabreco]

This is what I got when I entered my info. This does not fit your:

1991 Yamaha XVZ1300 Venture R…

 

I had seen the same message on Amazon when I was looking to do seals on my 1984 Venture. I was buying new fork oil at the Yamaha dealer & I spoke to the lead mechanic there. He said the tubes in a Gen 1 xvz are 40 mm but the extra 1 mm are inconsequential. The 41mm would work. I figured he knew what he was talking about so I picked it up. It's nicely made & weighted and splits in half so that tube don't have to be removed from the trees.

 

FYI

The OEM fork oil is 15w, some people use 7w after progressives. I found that to be too light. I ended up using 10w with progressives. I am 230Lb & riding 2 up that put's it at 340Lbs.

[syscrusher]

http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=81110

 

I did order dust seals for one of the older Gen 1s but have not yet installed them. I don't see why they wouldn't work. If my "booties" wear out I will go to the aftermarket to get something similar. I plan to use both dust seals and "booties" going forward.

[kentuckyrider]

I had seen the same message on Amazon when I was looking to do seals on my 1984 Venture. I was buying new fork oil at the Yamaha dealer & I spoke to the lead mechanic there. He said the tubes in a Gen 1 xvz are 40 mm but the extra 1 mm are inconsequential. The 41mm would work. I figured he knew what he was talking about so I picked it up. It's nicely made & weighted and splits in half so that tube don't have to be removed from the trees.

 

FYI

The OEM fork oil is 15w, some people use 7w after progressives. I found that to be too light. I ended up using 10w with progressives. I am 230Lb & riding 2 up that put's it at 340Lbs.

 

Thank you I will go ahead and order it then. I was planning on running 10 wt as I am 235 and my wife rides sometimes. I appreciate the info!

[kentuckyrider]

http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=81110

 

I did order dust seals for one of the older Gen 1s but have not yet installed them. I don't see why they wouldn't work. If my "booties" wear out I will go to the aftermarket to get something similar. I plan to use both dust seals and "booties" going forward.

 

That is my plan. I ordered the dust seals today and plan on using aftermarket boots too.I figure the more p

rotection the better.

[cabreco]

Thank you I will go ahead and order it then. I was planning on running 10 wt as I am 235 and my wife rides sometimes. I appreciate the info!

 

Oh BTW IDK if you saw the write up here for replacing the seals. It was a great help when I did them

http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=496

[kentuckyrider]

Thanks, I had already read it and watched the you tube video, but I plan on checking them out again before I do this.

[ricksbike]

I used a set of fork boots from Parts Unlimited,they were actually for an xr-200 dirt bike,I stretched them over the lower tubes and clamped them top and bottom,they`ve been on my 92vr for about 3 years.

[cabreco]

Thanks, I had already read it and watched the you tube video, but I plan on checking them out again before I do this.

 

When I did mine I was a bit apprehensive as it looked intimidating but it was surprisingly simple. I also took the opportunity to rebuild all the fork parts while I had the tubes apart. I got all the parts from boats.net pretty cheap...and they were all Yamaha OEM.

 

[kentuckyrider]

Alright fellow riders. I finally got around to upgrading my forks with progressives, replacing bushings, and seals in my forks to include adding dust seals that was not on my 91. Now I am having trouble getting the air out of my lines. I have read every post I could find. Burped the banjo, used a tie wrap to hold the brake lever back with the master cyl lid loose. Tried to drip bleed the front brake. I have not gotten speed bleeders yet, that is a latter project. I just want to get this bike out of the garage for now. Have not used a vacuum pump yet. Just trying to get air out of this system. I had the anti dives off when I redid the forks. I keep reading where people are bleeding the antidives and even googled how to do it. Problem is every pic I see they have bleeders on the ad's My antidives do not have bleeders. How do you get the air out? After I added the oil in the forks I pumped the snot out of the forks until there was no bubbles in the fork oil. For the life of me I can not get the air out of the front brake line..... Suggestions greatly appreciated! Thanks guys this site has been a great help, just can't figure out how to bleed the ad's...

[Prairiehammer]

just can't figure out how to bleed the ad's...

 

The anti-dive mechanism on your 1991 Venture has no connection to the hydraulic brake system. From 1986, the anti-dive were electical.

When one talks about bleeding the anti-dive of air, they are referring to the 1983-1985 Ventures. That era used hydraulic anti-dive, tied into the brake lines.

You do not bleed the anti-dive on your bike.

 

Have you discovered the brake bleeder up near the steering head? If not, utilize that bleeder to good effect in addition to the ones on the calipers.

The aforementioned bleeder is on the brake line from the rear master cylinder to the left front caliper. I hope I am not sounding condescending, but perhaps you don't know that the left front brake and the rear are activated by the brake pedal, and the right front caliper is activated by the brake lever on the handlebar.

Edited April 5, 2014 by Prairiehammer

[kentuckyrider]

I appreciate the info! When I traced the line I seen it was electrical under the dash when it came out of the jacket almost looked like a fluid line up to that point. I am aware of the bleeder up by the forks and I know the brake lever is the right front caliper that is the one I can't get bled.