jfroman Posted January 28, 2014 #1 Posted January 28, 2014 I recently purchased a 2005 RSTD w/ 36,000 miles. The first few weeks I had the bike when I went to start it in cold or hot weather it would fire right up. The last few days I have noticed that when I go to start the bike either when cold w/ full choke or hot it now turns over 3-4 times, I'll release the starter button, press it again and it turns over 1-2 more times before it finally fires up. When the bikes does start it runs just fine. This morning I rode across town and shut the bike off for about 5 minutes. When I went to start it the same thing happen with turning over 3-4 times and no start. I then turned the key off and on 3 times and when I hit the starter it fired right up. I'm wondering if this could be a sign that the fuel pump is going out. Any advice you can give would be greatly appreciated.
Guest tx2sturgis Posted January 28, 2014 #2 Posted January 28, 2014 Listen for the tell-tale sound of rapid clicking for a few seconds when you first turn the key on. If you havent noticed it, it should activate when the bike has had time to sit unridden for a day or two.
jfroman Posted January 28, 2014 Author #3 Posted January 28, 2014 Thanks. I hate to leave the bike sitting for a day but I'll give it a shot. If I hear the clicking when the key is on that will tell me the pump is working properly?
RedRider Posted January 28, 2014 #4 Posted January 28, 2014 Yes. The clicking is the fuel pump filling the float bowls in the carbs. Overall, your symptoms do not sound like a fuel pump problem. Either a battery or ignition switch. I would check the battery first. RR
jfroman Posted January 28, 2014 Author #5 Posted January 28, 2014 When I purchased the bike the owner had just installed a new battery. I checked it this weekend when I first noticed the problem and had 12.9 volts with key off, 12.4 volts key on, and 13.2 volts at idle.
XV1100SE Posted January 28, 2014 #6 Posted January 28, 2014 other way of testing sooner is to turn the fuel petcock off and then trying to start the bike. That will draw fuel from the carbs. If the bike starts, run it for a few minutes then shut the bike off, open the fuel petcock and then turn the key to the start position - you should hear ticking. Have you sync'd the carbs since you got the bike? Also check the air filters.
Pegasus1300 Posted January 28, 2014 #7 Posted January 28, 2014 If you recently purchased it do you know the service history? When were the plugs last changed? When was the fuel filter changed? Check and do the simple stuff first.
XV1100SE Posted January 28, 2014 #8 Posted January 28, 2014 If you recently purchased it do you know the service history? When were the plugs last changed? When was the fuel filter changed? Check and do the simple stuff first. Good point on the fuel filter... I did a write up on changing the fuel filter - http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=76515
jfroman Posted January 28, 2014 Author #9 Posted January 28, 2014 other way of testing sooner is to turn the fuel petcock off and then trying to start the bike. That will draw fuel from the carbs. If the bike starts, run it for a few minutes then shut the bike off, open the fuel petcock and then turn the key to the start position - you should hear ticking. Have you sync'd the carbs since you got the bike? Also check the air filters. Ok, I just went out and tried this and I could definitely hear the ticking when I turned the key on. It started out pretty rapid and then slowed down.
jfroman Posted January 28, 2014 Author #10 Posted January 28, 2014 If you recently purchased it do you know the service history? When were the plugs last changed? When was the fuel filter changed? Check and do the simple stuff first. The previous owner said he had all the service done at the dealership he bought the bike from. I called the service department to confirm and they said he brought it in for every service on schedule and that he most recently had it in there at 35,000 miles. I purchase it with 36,500 miles. I will get the fuel filter replaced.
jfroman Posted January 28, 2014 Author #11 Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Does anyone have a good recommendation for a reputable parts supplier for these bikes? My dealership wants $30.00 for the fuel filter…just seems a little steep to me. OR would a universal fuel filter be acceptable? Edited January 28, 2014 by jfroman
Pegasus1300 Posted January 28, 2014 #12 Posted January 28, 2014 If you look in the tech section there should be a listing of Auto parts fuel filters that will fit.
Gary N. Posted January 28, 2014 #13 Posted January 28, 2014 Some have changed the fuel filter to an automotive type (under $5) and relocated it to an area under the seat. Makes the next change much easier.
Pegasus1300 Posted January 28, 2014 #14 Posted January 28, 2014 Method of removing the fuel filter posted by SleeperHawk in this thread http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11035 Page 219 of the tech forum Why do you guys find the fuel filter hard to change? 1. Take the seat off 2. Remove battery cover (both sides). 3. Remove the plug wires from the cover in front of the filter. 4. Slide out the front cover to the right side of bike 5. Slide the boot holding the fuel filter to left side of bike 6. Remove hose from the top of filter 7. Filter will now drop below bracket and pull filter to the right side of bike 8. Remove bottom hose 9. reverse the process here are some of the part numbers for other fuel filters that work Wix 3304 NAPA 3011 Purolator F 100 24 AutoZone FF3330 (luber-finer G478) (has a metal body) NAPA Gold 3007 (has a metal body) takes about 30 minutes.
jfroman Posted January 28, 2014 Author #15 Posted January 28, 2014 Thanks for the tips everyone. I have the fuel filter off and while I'm out showing properties I will stop by Napa and pick up a filter so I can get it installed tonight. I'll let you know the outcome.
XV1100SE Posted January 28, 2014 #16 Posted January 28, 2014 LOL - think the site already saved you the $12 membership !
jfroman Posted January 29, 2014 Author #18 Posted January 29, 2014 Thanks again everyone. I have the fuel filter replaced and the bike put back together. I have started it a few times in the garage and it has fired right up. I will ride it over the next few days and let you know if my issue is fixed. I went to NAPA and they had a filter that was the same height just not the same diameter as the OEM body. It was part # 18-7830 and was $8.97 out the door. You are correct, you guys have saved me a lot more than $12!!
Pegasus1300 Posted January 29, 2014 #19 Posted January 29, 2014 Jay We hope you decide to make your membership here permanent,not just because we saved you money but also because you find as we have that there is a terrific fellowship here and some genuine caring even tho many of us have never met face to face, and may never do so. Many of us no longer ride Royal Star's yet we continue to hang out here. The bikes brought us together but we stay together because of each other.
jfroman Posted January 30, 2014 Author #20 Posted January 30, 2014 I just went out and started my bike and it fired right up. I took it out for a spin and shut it off when I got back and it fired up again with no issue. I'm hoping the $8.00 filter was the cure. Thanks again.
djh3 Posted January 30, 2014 #21 Posted January 30, 2014 Sounds like it. Aint this intro-net thingy neat. Sure am glad ole Al Gore invented it.
jfroman Posted January 31, 2014 Author #22 Posted January 31, 2014 Ok. We had some much needed rain in the Central Valley yesterday but I was able to get out today and ride the bike around town. Every time I hit the starter switch the bike came to life with no effort at all. Replacing the fuel filter got it fixed. Thanks again for all the advice, I appreciate it.
Phoneman1981 Posted February 1, 2014 #23 Posted February 1, 2014 Hello Jay: Thanks for the update. I see you spent your savings on membership.
djh3 Posted February 1, 2014 #24 Posted February 1, 2014 Actually he saved way more than the $12. You figure he got the "replacment" filter number here instead of giving the Yamaie dealer probably $28 or more for the filter......Soooooo Its almost like money in the bank.
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