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[Venturous Randy]

Syscrusher, I see you avoided answering my question. Not to pick on you, but I personally have found that those that are not very supportive of the military people never served, nor had family members that served. As I said, I was just curious.

Djh3, if I had got that kind of money in 1969, I would have felt like I was rich. With a wife and child, I was eligible for food stamps up to about an E-4, but I never pursued them.

RandyA

Edited December 19, 2013 by Venturous Randy

[etcswjoe]

Link is bad there Joe, it dont work. But I'm sure thats a pay for someone that retires today. I retired in late 90's as an E-6.

Syscrusher- My friend I enlisted in 1978 My base pay BEFORE taxs (yes we paid income taxs on our military pay just like your pay check) was 397.50 a month. Do you think you could live off that even back then? Because I was married at the time I did get like $60 a month towards rent, but you can only imagine the kind of housing you could get for that. I'll tell you what friend if you think you can live off my retirement pay for a year with out working full time somewhere else I'll send it to you. No I dont have a big Mcmansion, brand new cars and all that crap. Where these folks think retired military get paid all this money I have no idea. Dont get paid much when your active duty and then if your lucky you only get 1/2 of that when you retire, and they still take taxs out of that!!

 

 

I fixed the link and yes it is for someone who retires today, much more than I get also.

[djh3]

Venturous, thats what I meen. As a military member when I went in at that time most GI's under an E-3 were living at or below poverty level. I dont know any of my fellow GI's that took any government assistance. Now it seems everybody thinks its "owed to them". I'll tell you what, if my 1% reduction in COLA is going to fix these overspending jacka$$ I'll give them the hole bump. Give me the tax brake on the money they aint going to pay me. I dont see any of the retired congress or senate guys offering up to not take a pay bump on COLA.

On the manditory service requirment. Heck yea only problem is you cant serve in the military witha felony record so that knocks out something like 30% of the youth under 20. But the onews left, man half of them could scare the heck out of the enemy without a firearm.

[BoomerCPO]

I spent 23 years in the Navy and I retired as a CPO. If I had to live on my meager pension I would probably be robbing Banks to get by......

And as a footnote....In all those years of service I can count ON ONE HAND the number of days I only worked a straight 8 hours. If we had been paid for overtime as the civilians are then/now I would have had a much more comfortable life when I was on Active Duty.

Boomer....who wonders how much money Congress could have saved if they did a reduction of retirement benefits for the Civil Service retirees...

[Jrichard]

Russell, you know good old Ben Dover too, eh?!!?

Hey BOBO----------------bohica-----------bo-he ka----------translation????------------bend over here it comes again!----------I'm from the gov-ment, and I b here to hep ya---------------Carry on:group cheers:

[Yammer Dan]

I'm staying in my corner. U.S. ARMY RECON!!!

[Drreb]

the military retiree's another "Bendover" award.

 

Because military retiree's are receiving soooo much money, and most took other jobs after retirement we can expect a 1% reduction in our COLA.

 

More awards to follow...

 

Don't forget to thank your federal legislators......

 

Yep stinks!

[Grolli]

USAF, 22 years, retired this year in August.

 

Was on food stamps as an E-3, because military pay is below the poverty line.

 

My entire career, there was ALWAYS a conflict. I was deployed for 14 years of my 22. Been shot, blown up, spent countless milestones away from family and friends. Could not attend my fathers funeral, due to being deployed. Missed both of my kids being born... you get the picture.

 

My "grand" retirement is 1900 a month, before taxes, reduces it to $1650. My TRICARE medical comes out, now down to 1600. Survivor benefit (so my wife can get 600 a month if I die in the next few years), now down to 1450. Now dental, 1400. I HAVE to work a second and third job to put my kids through the University of North Dakota.

 

Just me.. but cutting my bennies leaves me a bit chafed...

[CaptainJoe]

USAF, 22 years, retired this year in August.

 

Was on food stamps as an E-3, because military pay is below the poverty line.

 

My entire career, there was ALWAYS a conflict. I was deployed for 14 years of my 22. Been shot, blown up, spent countless milestones away from family and friends. Could not attend my fathers funeral, due to being deployed. Missed both of my kids being born... you get the picture.

 

My "grand" retirement is 1900 a month, before taxes, reduces it to $1650. My TRICARE medical comes out, now down to 1600. Survivor benefit (so my wife can get 600 a month if I die in the next few years), now down to 1450. Now dental, 1400. I HAVE to work a second and third job to put my kids through the University of North Dakota.

Just me.. but cutting my bennies leaves me a bit chafed...

 

 

 

 

If it were up to me, sir, your vote and anyone else that has served in our military for 20 years or more, would count twice...

 

Also... it's unheard of in civilian life to "not be" vested after 5 years..." what's up with that"...

 

A 40 hr work week, IS non existant in the military ... pay them time and a half on +40 hr work week, and, double time on holidays... YOUR GETTING IT WHY SHOULDN'T THEY!...

 

As I said before, "Re-instate Draft: everyone must serve like in Israel... (we're gonna need it as no one is going to stay in) "

 

Our Senators, Congressman, Legislators are going to have to see (their sons and daughters) put in harms way... Lets see how "that pans out"

 

BET THERE WOULD BE FEWER CONFLICTS!...

 

I'm done...

 

Hopefully the veterans amongst us will keep their kin from volunteering...

 

My oldest daughters out, I'm trying to get her husband out

[djh3]

Grolli But Obama care will take care of us so we wont have to worry about Tricare!! OH waint we already PAID for our health care. Grand Forks ND eh? Must have been a SAC trained killer. LOL MAC CC all on 141's here. Thanks for your time. I wouldnt trade my time for nothing. Lots of good folks and comeradery. Not so much on the civy side.

[syscrusher]

Syscrusher, I see you avoided answering my question. Not to pick on you, but I personally have found that those that are not very supportive of the military people never served, nor had family members that served.

RandyA

 

People tend to see things colored by their own experiences. My dad did a stint in the Navy just after WWII. My Brother-in-law was in the USAF when he married my sister. My uncle was stabbed in the leg by a Japanese sailor that he was trying to rescue after sinking the Japanese boat. He was a gunner and couldn't hear much of anything for the rest of his life. A few years before he died he finagled a small concession for his profound hearing loss. Nobody made a career of it. I decided it wasn't for me and went to community college after I blew my chances at the university.

 

Overtime is the norm in civilian life and you do what you're told but you don't have to salute and being deployed is usually short term and you eat restaurant food, sleep on motel mattresses. I can see I'm not making any friends here and I'll dig in even deeper because I've got an even bigger problem with police and fire pensions. Those pensions are huge and start getting paid out to people in their early fifties. It's breaking the city where I live causing taxes to soar higher than ever. Why should we pay a fifty-five year old $90,000 a year for nothing in honor of twenty or twenty-five years of service while they keep talking about raising the age for Social Security into the seventies and cutting back on checks?

 

Don't get me wrong I value the service of these people, I just value it a little more realistically than some. I understand if it's you I'm talking about you are going to fight for what you get, that's human nature. Just understand, you are getting it better than most people who won't see doo-doo till they are 62 or older and your somewhat sweet deal may be keeping someone else from seeing any benefits even then since they may die before they're old enough or there may not be any money left.

Edited December 20, 2013 by syscrusher
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[Caveman]

Thanks to our military men and women! I for one think you deserve it....you've earned it, doing what others could never dream of doing. As I said in my first post on this thread, the government is not prioritizing it's expendatures. Who cares about dolphin sex...when, where or how they breed is thier bidness. That money could be spent more wisely...just sayin'. It's the "PORK" we can do without. Pay our military!

[Marcarl]

So far,,,,,, not too bad,,,, but it may not last,,, depends on the comments folks. Keeping the comments informative definitely helps,,,,,, get obnoxious, and it's gone.!!!!

[djh3]

Syscrusher So whats your idea? Everyone get to pick a job say in high school. Then everybody gets paid same amount for that job no matter if its building roads or fireman etc and thats what you do until you retire at a specfied age. Then the government pays everyone a check at same amount when retired no matter what you did for 40 yr or more?

[CaptainJoe]

Thanks to our military men and women! I for one think you deserve it....you've earned it, doing what others could never dream of doing. As I said in my first post on this thread, the government is not prioritizing it's expendatures. Who cares about dolphin sex...when, where or how they breed is thier bidness. That money could be spent more wisely...just sayin'. It's the "PORK" we can do without. Pay our military!

 

prioritizing

 

In a household you take care of your commitments first... then do the extras...

 

"If" the gov worked that way, we wouldn't be having this discussion about soc. sec., cost of living increases, etc...

 

Vote the people out that don't recognize this basic principle...

[Yammer Dan]

People tend to see things colored by their own experiences. My dad did a stint in the Navy just after WWII. My Brother-in-law was in the USAF when he married my sister. My uncle was stabbed in the leg by a Japanese sailor that he was trying to rescue after sinking the Japanese boat. He was a gunner and couldn't hear much of anything for the rest of his life. A few years before he died he finagled a small concession for his profound hearing loss. Nobody made a career of it. I decided it wasn't for me and went to community college after I blew my chances at the university.

 

Overtime is the norm in civilian life and you do what you're told but you don't have to salute and being deployed is usually short term and you eat restaurant food, sleep on motel mattresses. I can see I'm not making any friends here and I'll dig in even deeper because I've got an even bigger problem with police and fire pensions. Those pensions are huge and start getting paid out to people in their early fifties. It's breaking the city where I live causing taxes to soar higher than ever. Why should we pay a fifty-five year old $90,000 a year for nothing in honor of twenty or twenty-five years of service while they keep talking about raising the age for Social Security into the seventies and cutting back on checks?

 

Don't get me wrong I value the service of these people, I just value it a little more realistically than some. I understand if it's you I'm talking about you are going to fight for what you get, that's human nature. Just understand, you are getting it better than most people who won't see doo-doo till they are 62 or older and your somewhat sweet deal may be keeping someone else from seeing any benefits even then since they may die before they're old enough or there may not be any money left.

 

 

 

So I don't deserve the pension I get for spending 20 yrs in Max Security Prison??

[Black Owl]

I for one would actually like to thank Skycrusher for his insightful comments. They caused me to stop and think about just how good I had it in the military and to wonder if I actually deserve that 70% disability check I get each month.

I mean, what other job would have sent me to flight school and then given me the opportunity to spend 2 years in sunny south east Asia.

 

Just think. They never even charged me for those three helicopters I "lost" over there. Then there was the gratuitous medical treatment to get the shrapnel out of my legs and stitch up the bullet hole in my side.

 

And as for the Agent Orange. That was my own problem. Nobody told me I had to breath while they were spraying in the area. Heck I was lucky they didn’t charge me for damaging Government property.

 

Yes sir. Never had it so good. So again, thank you for forcing me to realize just how much I really own you and the rest of the tax payers.

 

 

[ragtop69gs]

So I don't deserve the pension I get for spending 20 yrs in Max Security Prison??

 

Since when do lifers in prison get a pension? I guess crime does pay !

[syscrusher]

I for one would actually like to thank Skycrusher for his insightful comments. They caused me to stop and think about just how good I had it in the military and to wonder if I actually deserve that 70% disability check I get each month.

I mean, what other job would have sent me to flight school and then given me the opportunity to spend 2 years in sunny south east Asia.

 

Just think. They never even charged me for those three helicopters I "lost" over there. Then there was the gratuitous medical treatment to get the shrapnel out of my legs and stitch up the bullet hole in my side.

 

And as for the Agent Orange. That was my own problem. Nobody told me I had to breath while they were spraying in the area. Heck I was lucky they didn’t charge me for damaging Government property.

 

Yes sir. Never had it so good. So again, thank you for forcing me to realize just how much I really own you and the rest of the tax payers.

 

 

 

I see disability differently of course. If there really is a reason that you can't work after your time in the military then you should get a pension and that applies to people who didn't stay in 20 years as well.

 

Why the hell can't I get a pension at 50? The best deal I ever heard about for people who are in private industry was the railroad's 60/30 deal. When you're 60, if you have 30 years of service, you can retire with a full pension. I don't think anyone who can still work should get a pension before 62 if the taxpayers have to pay for it, period.

[Black Owl]

Why the hell can't I get a pension at 50? .

Guess you just missed the opportunity. Nobody to blame but yourself..

However, if you are under 42, you could still join up. If you are over 42, then the next best thing is to become an elected official. Other than that I guess you are just SOL.

 

[Yammer Dan]

Guess you just missed the opportunity. Nobody to blame but yourself..

 

However, if you are under 42, you could still join up. If you are over 42, then the next best thing is to become an elected official. Other than that I guess you are just SOL.

 

 

 

:clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

[Venturous Randy]

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Overtime is the norm in civilian life and you do what you're told but you don't have to salute and being deployed is usually short term and you eat restaurant food, sleep on motel mattresses.

 

In my four years with several deployments, I can not ever remember sleeping in a motel or eating in a restaurant that was paid for by the government, but being in the USAF, I know I had it a lot better than my brothers in the other branches of service.

I was real lucky that I was not on the flightline when the saboteurs came on base and attempted to blow up the AC130 Gunships and were killed or close to where the rockets landed when they were sent over. I was lucky that I had it good compared to many others. And, as far as overtime, how about twelve hours a day, six days a week at over 100 degrees and very high humidity while in South East Asia.

Oh, in the military, or at least the way it was when I was in, if you did not like the job you were told to do, saying "I quit, I'm going home" was not an option, unless you wanted to go to prison.

I really don't think you have a clue to what it is like to be in the military, whether it is for four years or thirty years.

RandyA

[bongobobny]

Well, you certainly are not winning any points with me either Syscrusher. While I do not agree with you I will defend to death your right to give your opinion openly, as would any military servant. I also am grateful for the police department that does their best to keep our nation peaceful and law abiding, and protect us from people who have little or no respect for the law. I somehow feel if you ever had to be rescued or had your house on fire you would feel differently about firemen as well.

 

Now high paid government officials get enough money as is. Let THEM take a pay cut...

[mraf]

 

Now high paid government officials get enough money as is. Let THEM take a pay cut...

 

 

But,but,but,they earn it. Just ask any of them.:rotfl: We've become a nation of gov't workers because all the jobs are slipping away. Taking any retirement money away from armed service members or public employees especially after it was bargained policy is still bull. I thank Honda for putting some of their bikes together here. Trying to keep this thread going by talking motorcycles

[bongobobny]

Well so far no name calling or harsh language, just different opinions, so I guess we're still good...