Making your own non-ethanol gas

[Freebird]

SkyDoc sent me this and I thought it was pretty interesting. Not real practical I don't think but maybe worth it for a small engine that you need to store through the winter with gas in it. I still think a can of Stabil or Seafoam is easier though.

 

http://goldwingdocs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=14679

[Flyinfool]

Interesting.........

[Yammer Dan]

Not that bad if you needed some for some reason.

[djh3]

I think I would really have a problem putting water in to gas and then think I was going to be able to run it in something. Call me crazy but my brain would probably lock up.

[Flyinfool]

I have a special funnel with a special filter element that is made for getting water out of jet fuel. It actually works as advertised, there will be droplets of water rolling around on the screen after pouring the fuel through. I wonder if it would separate out the alky water mix from gasoline??

[baylensman]

as ethanol burns at a lower temp. just throw a pot full in the fridge for an hour. then throw in a match. The ethanol burns off leaving just gas.

[Flyinfool]

as ethanol burns at a lower temp. just throw a pot full in the fridge for an hour. then throw in a match. The ethanol burns off leaving just gas.

AND VIDEO!!!!

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[Bert2006]

AND VIDEO!!!!

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[Karaboo]

Hey FlyinFool, I remember those funnels, too. We used them to fill our fleet of snowmobiles from cand, back in the premix days. They did work darn good when you were trying to fill your sled up in a driving snow storm.

[Flyinfool]

Yes they do work well to remove water, BUT will they work to remove the water saturated ethanol from the gasoline?

[VanRiver]

Thought I would resurrect an old thread from 4 years ago......now in the modern days of Youtube there are many examples of people showing how to perform the act of pouring water into your fuel, letting it bond with the ethanol, and then removing the water/ethanol combo to get "pure" gas.

 

So, do you guys and gals think it is worth doing? Might be a fun experiment!

 

 

 

[Kretz]

Funny, I was just watching those same three videos yesterday. Seems like it would work but only for small quantities. Doing it for larger quantities would be a bit of a PITA & very time consuming.

I also read somewhere (or it may have been in one of those vids) that removing the ethanol reduces the octane number so you then need to use an octane booster.

[djh3]

I think it's easier to use the pure gas app and find non-E10 fuel or just go the the airport and get some "can gas" Av gas 110 low lead. I use to run it all the time in my legends car and other race cars. Benn a while but I actually think it was cheaper than the local marina.

[Flyinfool]

Around here the nearest real gas is nearly 100 miles away, The airport will only fill an aircraft.

[snyper316]

Around here the nearest real gas is nearly 100 miles away, The airport will only fill an aircraft.

 

This is where my suggestion of attaching 3rd gen plastics to a first gen with chicken wire and gluing some wings to it. They will never know the difference its an aircraft!!

[Condor]

Interesting videos... So I've got a question. When they first came out with unleaded gas the added ingredient was water. I remember big tanker trucks being ticketed for being over weight because the water weighed more than gas... So with ethanol have they removed the water?? Or have they put in an catalyst additive to keep the water suspended in the gas and not seperate?? And... would that also effect the ethanol?? Just curious...

[Flyinfool]

I never heard of them putting water in the gas when they went to unleaded. There was playing around with water injection where water would be sprayed into the carb as a mist but that is not the same as adding water to gas.

Gas and water just do not mix.

 

I have thought of doing this for my small engines where I will use less than 2 gallons per year. My lawn mower uses 1 gallon per year and my weed eater and chainsaw combine for another gallon per year.

[Condor]

I never heard of them putting water in the gas when they went to unleaded. There was playing around with water injection where water would be sprayed into the carb as a mist but that is not the same as adding water to gas.

Gas and water just do not mix.

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That's why the catalist... And yep they did...

[Flyinfool]

Know of any links? I could find nothing on google about ever putting water in gas except fore to don't do it. I did find some articles about when the lead was removed from the gas that it was compensated for by a change in the chemical makeup, water was not one of the chemicals listed.

[rbig1]

we used to put fuel from problem motor in a glass tube let it sit a while to see if it had separated. also put diesel in same tube to see if algae was growing in the fuel. Someone is reinventing the wheel lol:thumbdown:

[Sylvester]

Damn, my mowers use 200+ gallons a year. NEED to downsize.

 

 

 

 

I never heard of them putting water in the gas when they went to unleaded. There was playing around with water injection where water would be sprayed into the carb as a mist but that is not the same as adding water to gas.

Gas and water just do not mix.

 

I have thought of doing this for my small engines where I will use less than 2 gallons per year. My lawn mower uses 1 gallon per year and my weed eater and chainsaw combine for another gallon per year.

[Condor]

Know of any links? I could find nothing on google about ever putting water in gas except fore to don't do it. I did find some articles about when the lead was removed from the gas that it was compensated for by a change in the chemical makeup, water was not one of the chemicals listed.

Nope, but that's what happened... Don't believe me?..that's OK.. I had a couple of friends who drove 40,000 gal tanker trucks for refineries, and when they first went to unleaded they received tickets for being over weight, so had to cut back on the gallons carried due to the the weight of the H2O added to the mix. Carrying 40K put them over the weight limit due to the water weight. Shortly thereafter the tanks were redesigned to carry less volume. Not absolutely sure but I think they were cut back to 35,000 gals.

[Kretz]

I think it's easier to use the pure gas app and find non-E10 fuel or just go the the airport and get some "can gas" Av gas 110 low lead. I use to run it all the time in my legends car and other race cars. Benn a while but I actually think it was cheaper than the local marina.

 

Problem with that is the only local non-ethanol gas around here is either 91 octane or 94 octane. (there's no 87 oct non-ethanol) I've been advised (in another thread) that I shouldn't be using higher octane gas than the 87 specified by Yamaha because it burns at a lower temperature & could cause ignition/ engine problems. Yamaha say it's OK to use 87 E10 gas BUT that only addresses the engine running part it doesn't address the problem of water attraction, tank damage & storage for extended periods etc.

I do remember when the "unleaded" gas was introduced in the UK many years ago many people had to then buy & add a "lead substitute" as car engines couldn't run on the non leaded gas. There are already reports (from manufacturers) of engines being damaged by E15 gas, but still our governments think it's a good idea!

[djh3]

Yup I have been on the octain merry go round threads before. It is true the higher octain burns "slower" which is why typicaly they dont spark knock. Some of the reasons they run what they do is emissions. Faster burning fuel can give them "cleaner" burn. Depending on how long it sits you could run 87 and for winter storage fill with non ethanol.