Illinois concealed carry update

[dacheedah]

OK Folks in and traveling through Illinois, this has caused a lot of talk so I thought I would share this posted on the ISP's website. In addition many sheriffs and chief's said they will not charge anyone with possession that has not committed another crime. That does not hold true for cook aka Crook county ( Chicago).

 

There is still a lawsuit pending by residents asking to carry immediately and unabated.

 

http://www.isp.state.il.us/firearms/ccw/ccw-faq.cfm

[Snaggletooth]

That does not hold true for cook aka Crook county ( Chicago).

 

Wouldn't expect anything less from that bunch. Nope.

[ragtop69gs]

This is from ISP's web site.

 

Are out-of-state Concealed Carry permit holders granted reciprocity in Illinois?

 

No. Out-of-state residents who want to carry a concealed firearm on his/herr person must obtain an Illinois Concealed Carry License to lawfully carry a concealed firearm in Illinois. In order for out-of-state residents to be eligible for an Illinois license, their state’s concealed carry license laws must be substantially similar to those of Illinois. The Illinois State Police will establish rules to identify the elements necessary to meet the substantially similar requirement.

 

However, out of state residents are granted a limited exception to lawfully carry a concealed firearm within a vehicle if they are eligible to carry a firearm in public under the laws of his or her state or territory of residence and are not prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm under federal law. This rule becomes effective immediately.

 

If the non-resident leaves leaves his/her vehicle unattended, he or she shall store the firearm within a locked vehicle or locked container within the vehicle in accordance with subsection (b) of Section 65 of the Firearm Concealed Carry Act.

 

SO... Does this mean we, as out of state visitors can carry (without an Il. permit) while in our vehicle but must store it when we leave the vehicle ? Or can I carry anywhere it's lawful to do so, but must store in a locked vehicle or container when I don't want to carry? About as clear as mud

[Brake Pad]

that stinks, 300.00 for 5 years:mo money::mo money:

[Riderduke]

that stinks, 300.00 for 5 years:mo money::mo money:

 

I agree Only $50.00 in Virginia

 

What is the cost for an Illinois Concealed Carry License?

$150 for 5 years for Illinois residents

$300 for 5 years for out-of-state residents

[CaptainJoe]

YADA, yada, yada...

 

So what they are saying is, conceal carry permit holders from out of state can conceal carry in their vehicle( on their bikes???)

 

But, If you leave vehicle for any reason, you must lock up in our ABS saddlebags/trunk, which can be opened with a well placed swift kick...

 

I normally carry the concealed weapon to my motel room and place "loaded" on the night stand.. believe your more likely, to need it there, in todays world.

 

 

Kind of defeats the whole reason for conceal carry...

Edited July 13, 2013 by CaptainJoe

[dacheedah]

but you can carry your unloaded and cased weapon to your hotel room, then load it and thats not a violation.

 

Bike thing is clear as mud, now here is a case they decided. If you reach into the open bed of a pickup truck to steel an item, that is burglary.

 

so if you are on your bike, does that qualify for being within a vehicle ????

 

Also when I reapplied for my FOID because it would expire during hunting season it was over 120 days , like first week of June. By statute I was supposed to have it by September, I received mine in December. My wife's came in February and they were sent in same envelope.

[Bummer]

I would exercise great care with this. (IANAL, this is not legal advice, etc.) Under federal law it has pretty much always been legal to transport a weapon from a place you're legal to a place you're legal, unloaded, in a locked box, in a compartment other than the one inhabited by the driver/passenger. Even through Chicago.

 

It sounds like the new Illinois law will (may?) be interpreted to allow licensed carriers from another State to have their gun in their passenger compartment, loaded. I have not read the law so I don't know if they mean that when the individual leaves the vehicle (Other than going into a hotel/motel - and just how may one carry it on the way in/out?) the weapon must be locked in a box in the trunk, or if the glove compartment will do. Based upon it being Illinois, I'm going to assume they mean the most restrictive version they can think of.

 

Is there really a "within" on a motorcycle? If they mean in the vehicle not on your person, you're done right there. If they mean on your person but within the vehicle, done again. If one goes down (heaven forbid, of course) and one is no longer in any way attached to the bike, one is now carrying outside the vehicle. At a time like that nobody needs another problem.

 

Does the man who issued this statement speak for all law enforcement? It certainly seems unlikely. As such, can one expect any of that to be adhered to? Again, it seems unlikely.

 

Illinois was forced into this. What are the chances they'll take this legal loss particularly well? I certainly don't want to be the guy they take their frustrations out on.

[Long Tall]

that stinks, 300.00 for 5 years:mo money::mo money:

 

Got my Utah Non-Resident back in April.....$40 for five years. With my VA and Non-Resident FL, I'm covered....

 

OF COURSE THE ILLINOIS EXCEPTION> Here in Lynchburg my NRA Buds call it the "BLACK" state.

 

Long Tall

[ragtop69gs]

In Michigan there is no verbiage in the CPL law that specifically say's "Motorcycle" BUT there was a ruling by the attorney general, that a motorcycle or car makes no difference, as the permit to carry is issued to the holder and where ever it's legal to carry you are not in violation of the carry laws. I'm trying to find the ruling, I'll post it when I find it.

 

Q: I am a current CPL holder. I bought a new motorcycle and wondered if it's legal to carry my revolver concealed on me while riding the bike. I also wondered if I can store or conceal the revolver in a locked compartment on the bike.

A: So long as you have a valid, Michigan CPL (Concealed Pistol License), you may carry concealed pistols anywhere in the State of Michigan except for those places listed on the "Pistol Free Areas" list in the statute, or private property where the party in control prohibits weapons in general or asks you specifically not to carry there. Note that the intent of the law is that you should lock your gun in your vehicle when you find yourself about to enter a "Pistol Free Area." (NOTE: I use the quotation marks to indicate that the statute uses the term "Pistol Free Area," but only law-abiding citizens are deterred by the rule.) The question of storage is a question of reasonableness. If you have a compartment on your motorcycle that is secure, you should be fine storing your pistol there. However, if the gun falls into the wrong hands, you could potentially face criminal and civil liability. So, be sure that your method and location of storage pass the "sniff test".

Edited July 13, 2013 by ragtop69gs

[Snaggletooth]

Open holster.

 

Only way to go.

 

No questions.

 

No doubt.

 

No guessing.

[CaptainJoe]

but you can carry your unloaded and cased weapon to your hotel room, then load it and thats not a violation.

 

Bike thing is clear as mud, now here is a case they decided. If you reach into the open bed of a pickup truck to steel an item, that is burglary.

 

so if you are on your bike, does that qualify for being within a vehicle ????

 

Also when I reapplied for my FOID because it would expire during hunting season it was over 120 days , like first week of June. By statute I was supposed to have it by September, I received mine in December. My wife's came in February and they were sent in same envelope.

 

Kevin,

So... the castle doctrine? kicks in for motel stays (when carried unloaded to and from room in a locked box) and then in a loaded state, on night stand.

When it's on my bike, I carry unloaded in a carry on bag in a keyed 4" x 6" lock box. this bag is also locked into one of the saddle bags or trunk.

I have a current conceal pistol/revolver license from WV.

[Brake Pad]

Here in Florida, I have both Concealed and an open carry license "G" & PI license.

Let's just say I don't leave home with out it.

[dacheedah]

illinois laws for transport are unloaded and cased and not immediately accessible. The problem is that every county has different interpretation of the same state law. You will probably not be charged as you gain distance from Chicago, that's not even close to a guarantee , because you run into people who have different views and they would never get a conviction in most counties.

 

When I qualified they are instructing us to put out hands on the wheel at 10 & 2 and advise that I am an armed officer. I'm not sure if they passed that but some state twooper must have thunk that up. Personally I always put my button on them, thats notice enough.

 

Cant wait to see what the courts do because it is supposed to be enacted and now they are saying september. I am glad I am under hr218 and hope they get this figured out very soon for the good folks that aren't. Oh I also know they wanted to put a hotfile on all the vehicles registered so when an officer runs you that reflects in the return. My issue with that is some dumb azz at a news paper thinks its ok to post addresses and I'm definitely not ok with that.

[CaptainJoe]

i saw where one such identified concealed permit owner was harrassed by his neighbor.

 

He shut them up by placing a sign with a large arrow and the words: Yeah I'm armed but my neighbor isn't...

[Brake Pad]

its better to put both hands out the window, and as the officer walks up on you. to let him know your carrying. You'll live longer

[CaptainJoe]

On my way to work one day (5 am) I was pulled over.

 

As I was carrying,

I immediately " turned dome light on"

Gabbed license and registration out of glove box, along with the large card stock concealed permit and placed my hands in the 10 and 2 o'clock portion on the steering wheel.

 

I said, Good morning officer, how can I help you"

the officer was visibily relieved, that I had taken the above actions for his consideration..

 

He took the license and registration cards gave them the once over and said..." just checking that you were wearing your seat belts.. Have a nice day..."

 

It's always a good idea to help our officers out, as their job is tough enough without smart asses. Turning the dome lights on allow them instant visibility of what/who is in the vehicle.

[uncledj]

.....He pulled you over to "check if you were wearing your seatbelts"...???

 

OH, Hell No....

 

A man went looking for America and couldn't find it anywhere.

Edited July 14, 2013 by uncledj
Wanted to include your quote

[Venturous Randy]

.....He pulled you over to "check if you were wearing your seatbelts"...???

 

OH, Hell No....

 

A man went looking for America and couldn't find it anywhere.

 

If you don't like to wear your seatbelt, you better stay out of Tennessee, as you will get pulled over in a heartbeat.

RandyA

[CaptainJoe]

.....He pulled you over to "check if you were wearing your seatbelts"...???

 

OH, Hell No....

 

A man went looking for America and couldn't find it anywhere.

 

 

He probably... and this is just a guess, pulled me over for speeding. Maybe 50 ish in a 45..

 

When I showed him the proper courtesy (dome lights/ good morning/paperwork and hands where he could see them) he basically left me off the hook...

[CaptainJoe]

If you don't like to wear your seatbelt, you better stay out of Tennessee, as you will get pulled over in a heartbeat.

RandyA

 

 

From what I hear... seatbelts and especially cell phone misuse are becoming JOB #1

[93 venture]

He probably... and this is just a guess, pulled me over for speeding. Maybe 50 ish in a 45..

 

When I showed him the proper courtesy (dome lights/ good morning/paperwork and hands where he could see them) he basically left me off the hook...

 

Yep this will work, I do the same thing every time, no problems.

[spear]

I still reckon it would be much more simple if there were no firearms - anywhere - except with LEOs.

But then again that's just my view, and obviously because I'm from Down Under a very biased one.

In the past week here we've had three - that's right, only three - shooting deaths and they were all gang-related. Bikie turf wars. Illegal hand guns. I see that as justifiable use of a weapon to rid society of society's outlaws.

Just my two cents' worth prior to being howled down, once again, by fastidiously loyal NRA members.

[i bet this post doesn't last 24 hours.]

[Yammer Dan]

You have every right to your opinion. Outlaw guns and who was it you said did the shooting? Outlaws? Did you expect them to follow the law. And other outlaws are not the only ones they shoot. Trying to take my guns will make me a outlaw.

[CaptainJoe]

I still reckon it would be much more simple if there were no firearms - anywhere - except with LEOs.

But then again that's just my view, and obviously because I'm from Down Under a very biased one.

In the past week here we've had three - that's right, only three - shooting deaths and they were all gang-related. Bikie turf wars. Illegal hand guns. I see that as justifiable use of a weapon to rid society of society's outlaws.

Just my two cents' worth prior to being howled down, once again, by fastidiously loyal NRA members.

[i bet this post doesn't last 24 hours.]

 

Thats why the call them criminals/outlaws...lol

Please, don't say NRA in the same breath as "outlaw" anything...

As far as them killing each other off...I say let them have a it...there will be less of them to deal with..

The people in the NRA, and, concealed weapons holders, are law abiding citizens with no yearning to do anyone harm. In my case, I use to be a boyscout... you know, "be prepared" and all that.

I believe: You are the only one, you can count on, when something goes south. To think someone else will jump in at the last minute to save your bacon, is wishful thinking...IMHO