4 brush starter

[sandman]

what models and years use the 4brush starter? I read a previous post that listed 91 and newer vmaxs. Is this correct? Also is 2nd gen using a 4brush starter? also is 2nd gen starter clutch a worthwhile upgrade over the 3dog style, of 1st gen? thanks

[Prairiehammer]

what models and years use the 4brush starter? I read a previous post that listed 91 and newer vmaxs. Is this correct? Also is 2nd gen using a 4brush starter? also is 2nd gen starter clutch a worthwhile upgrade over the 3dog style, of 1st gen? thanks

 

Although four brush starters were introduced on the 1991 Venture and V-Max, one can not be sure when buying a used starter "from a 1991 Venture" that it is in fact from a 1991 Venture and is four brush. Your safest bet is to buy a starter from the Second Gen. They were all four brush and the Second Gen starter will bolt up to the First Gen without modification.

 

As for the Second Gen starter CLUTCH, there are several things that have to be changed besides the starter clutch; ie, ignition pick-up coils and the rotor are different from First Gen and Second Gen. Dingy did a comparison of using Second Gen rotor on First Gen block. IIRC it was quite a bit of swapping parts, including stator and case?

[Snaggletooth]

All 2nd gen starters are 4 brush and a direct bolt on.

 

I don't believe the 2nd gen starter clutch engage will work on the 1st gens. I think it's because of the rotor specs.

 

For an engage upgrade you would have to go with Danos mod. I know his will not work in 2nd gens.

[dingy]

Not trying to cut into Dano's work, though in fact following could help it.

 

If Dan would agree to providing a machined rotor only, there is a lower cost alternative to what he does currently provide. I 100% behind what he does & quality of his work, I have one from him setting on shelf for Tweety.

 

The RSV rotor will just plain not work on a 1st gen with a stock TCI. This is due to a different lobe pattern on the rotor. There are two ways it could be made to work. 1st is to hook up a 2nd gen TCI, I don't think this is a path many will take. It would require rewiring harness to connect to much different RSV connections. Also I think there is a rev limiter in the RSV TCI that is lower than what a 1st gen is capable of. Also, the stator is different on an RSV and it will not bolt up to a 1st gen stator cover.

 

2nd option is an Ignitech TCI MAY work. I will be trying this option on the RSV Hybrid. It involves stator, rotor, pickup coil, TCI and side cover changes. I bought several adapter cables from Ignitech will allow the Ignitech TCI to mate up to an RSV cable with no splicing. Never been done before kind of thing with this TCI though. They have provide a software file that should configure TCI to work with rotor lobes. I provided them a fairly accurate drawing of the rotor lobe spcing so program could be created.

 

What is the good news is, the RSV rotor came from the factory with a sprauge clutch that looks identical to what Dan puts in his conversion kit for the 1st gens. I am 99% sure that what Dan is doing machining wise will work perfectly with an RSV supplied starter clutch. RSV rotors routinely are sold on Ebay for $49.99 + $13 shipping. Sometimes I have seen them with the ring gear. If your ring gear needs replaced it does up the cost quite a bit then.

 

Not sure what Dan would charge just for machining, if he would even do just that, but it is an option.

 

From partshark.com, the starter clutch is $129 and ring gear is $91.

 

Just another option out there.

 

If it would help Dan with turn around times, I have at least on spare rotor for an 83-89 I would give him, so he could do a swap for a good core. The rotor is the same from 83-89, then changes to a different style from 90-93, which are all the same number. Its a lot harder to find a 90-93 rotor on Ebay, not many come up. I have one of them, but I am going hang on to it until I see if RSV rotor works in Hybrid.

 

Pictures attached show an RSV rotor next to a 83-89 rotor. Where they are stacked, the lobe difference can be seen at one point. Last picture is an RSV cable on left & 1st gen cable on right to adapt to the Ignitech TCI.

 

Gary

Edited June 27, 2013 by dingy

[sandman]

thanks alot for replies. they all help.