still useing carbs on venture

[mike042]

why is yamaha still putting carbs on the v4s wouldnt fuel injection be better and easier?

[Trader]

They do it so still having a cassette deck as a standard feature doesn't look so bad!

[AngryAmish]

Not just carbs , they have heated carbs !!!

[cabreco]

why is yamaha still putting carbs on the v4s wouldnt fuel injection be better and easier?

 

 

The want us to buy Goldwings!

[ACE50]

I like my carbs...........back off!

[djh3]

Because they came in a package deal with the CD player, cassette deck.

[dingy]

why is yamaha still putting carbs on the v4s wouldnt fuel injection be better and easier?

 

Yamaha 2nd Gen VMax's are a V4 1679 cc fuel injection with YCC-T and YCC-1.

 

Brand new in 2009, all different EPA rules for new introduction.

 

Gary

[abusive throttle cranker]

Maybe u could put it down to me being old school but I prefer carburators. I can work on them. If their performance degrades it is almost always gradual. And gives me clues. Ya sure injection is that one or two percent better. But when it breaks ur screwed. Dead screwed. Wherever ur at- its time for a tow truck. Its either on or off. No fixing it or nursing it home. Your just ded on the side of the road.

[cowpuc]

Personally, I love carbs - but I am an old school worn out biker that has been spinning wrenches since the 60's so that should tell you something about my opinion. I know if, and thats a big if, you have the equipment and the right programmable ecu, efi can be way more exact in its tunebilty BUT, because I grew up with carbs (and points ignition) I actually prefer it.. For me, the whole efi system takes the fun out of tuning my own bike and controlling what its doing out of my hands. I enjoy that aspect of owning bikes.

Tell you what really amazes me is that Yamaha has gotten away with it under "modern" day epa regs. I bettcha all Harleys would still be carbs if it werent for the fact that they have to run so lean to meet emmisions that they simply cant get as close to the edge in leaness without risking damaging engine components without the aid of efi.

Dont know if any of you folks remember Hondas first shot at EFI on the wings back in 85? I owned one of those and WOW what an experience that was. I named that bike the "space shuttle" because of the amount of wiring that was in it was almost hilarious.. The shop manual for it was almost 5 inches thick.

I am also sure that Yamahas choosing to stay old school has cost them in the resale value of these great bikes too and there again, to me thats a positive cause it keeps them affordable.. I have LOVED riding these old Ventures, never paid more than 1200 bucks for one, put thousands of trouble free miles on em, blow the doors of any and all comparable touring bikes of their vintage (and alot of modern bikes their size), tuned right they get great mileage AND ride/handle so good that after 16 hours in the saddle I can go to sleep in the tent and wake up NOT HURTING and ready for more.. All that being said, I personally have LOVED my carburated Ventures.

Guess I am just one strange dude.

[csdexter]

What cowpuc said, you can fix carbs on the side of the road whereas when the ECU is dead, it ain't coming back.

 

I'm nowhere near as old and experienced as he and I'm more of an electronics guy (though I do love mechanics as well), but I would also choose carbs over injection, if given the choice.

 

The only situation in which I'd go with injection (or retrofit one on an originally carbureted bike) is if I designed and built it, so that I know it like the back of my hand. This is something I'm thinking of for my current RSV, but it's a long term project.

[Kirby]

Personally, I love carbs - but I am an old school worn out biker that has been spinning wrenches since the 60's so that should tell you something about my opinion. I know if, and thats a big if, you have the equipment and the right programmable ecu, efi can be way more exact in its tunebilty BUT, because I grew up with carbs (and points ignition) I actually prefer it.. For me, the whole efi system takes the fun out of tuning my own bike and controlling what its doing out of my hands. I enjoy that aspect of owning bikes.

Tell you what really amazes me is that Yamaha has gotten away with it under "modern" day epa regs. I bettcha all Harleys would still be carbs if it werent for the fact that they have to run so lean to meet emmisions that they simply cant get as close to the edge in leaness without risking damaging engine components without the aid of efi.

Dont know if any of you folks remember Hondas first shot at EFI on the wings back in 85? I owned one of those and WOW what an experience that was. I named that bike the "space shuttle" because of the amount of wiring that was in it was almost hilarious.. The shop manual for it was almost 5 inches thick.

I am also sure that Yamahas choosing to stay old school has cost them in the resale value of these great bikes too and there again, to me thats a positive cause it keeps them affordable.. I have LOVED riding these old Ventures, never paid more than 1200 bucks for one, put thousands of trouble free miles on em, blow the doors of any and all comparable touring bikes of their vintage (and alot of modern bikes their size), tuned right they get great mileage AND ride/handle so good that after 16 hours in the saddle I can go to sleep in the tent and wake up NOT HURTING and ready for more.. All that being said, I personally have LOVED my carburated Ventures.

Guess I am just one strange dude.

 

Took the words right out of my mouth. Newer doesn't make it better.

[Stanman]

I prefer carbs, since as others stated you can work on them and get going again..FI is computerized and when electronics fail you are dead.. I think we have far too much computerization in our vehicles today. Unless you get hooked up to yet another expensive computer to tell you what overpriced electronic part to replace, the "normal" mechanics cannot fix these.

[Carbon_One]

Old school here too and will join in with some of the previous statements concerning carbs verses efi. Anyhow I like the Keep It Simple approach..

Larry

[WildBill1]

why is yamaha still putting carbs on the v4s wouldnt fuel injection be better and easier?

Fuel injection would lead to ABS brakes, weather radio, side opening tour pack and factory installed CD. Then you would have a cloned Harley Ultra, and who on here wants that.

[MikeWa]

Hate to disagree. I am old school as well. But I understand the advantages of fuel injection. It is far more reliable than carburetion and much less likely to cause problems. So long as they use a somewhat universal set of components I am all for FI.

 

Mike

[SilvrT]

I'm definitely for fuel injection. While it's more expensive to repair, it almost never fails. Carbs need rebuilding, tweaking, balancing, and cleaning frequently. They require more work to store in the winter. They idle rough even when tuned, have less power, less acceleration, and poorer fuel economy.

 

[elmicko]

I'm going to register my vote as being in favor of fuel injection. I was concerned about it when it first started becoming standard on cars, but in all the years I've been driving fuel injected cars I've never had that component let me down. I trust the technology, and I have had more issues out of carbs than I care to count.

[icebrrg3rd]

I too say FI is nice. But I also know that FI has stumbled along the way too. I know of some vehicles that their FI system is poorly designed and has a tendency to fail, and often. But for the most part FI has come a long ways and is quite reliable.

 

After work in the parking lot, you know who has FI and who has to choke theirs. FI starts right up, no high revs as the engine warms up and you have to let in the choke, but not too much or it dies off. So my vote is in the FI box.

 

-Andrew

[greg_in_london]

I can be a stick in the mud, but I would love to have fuel injection and a fuel management system. I've had my carbs apart so many times, which is different to years ago when I never thought about it at all. Carbs are getting more and more complicated and susceptible to little glitches (mind you - my bikes are all 20-30 years old - but they are more complicated than an Amal Mk 11).

 

This sounds a bit like discussions about points versus electronic ignition. People said how they could fix their points at the side of the road and wouldn't know how to fix an ECU, but after a couple of years to learn to make them (and a few dodgy after-market attempts) the electronic ignitions just didn't go wrong. Some people have complained that their thirty year old ECUs have sucked up moisture, but eventually relocating them cured that. Not many points or condensers last that long.

 

So - a modern fuel injection system that will give me better starting, fuel economy and performance and won't gripe if I have to let it sit for a while sounds good to me, even if I have to replace the lambda sensors every 10-15 years...

[bill4you502]

I like carbs, just not working on them..... I also still use fountain pens and none of my watches have batteries!.......See you guys & gals for MD if you're going......RIDE SAFE!!!

bill4you502

[jfoster]

I don't have the skills to work on either and not to confident a Yamaha (dealer) mechanic does either. I do like not having to sync anything.

Edited June 7, 2013 by jfoster

[GolfVenture]

Old ways die hard. FI all the way...

[stroker ace]

You still have to synchronize the throttle bodies on fuel injection.