No spark problem stuck 30 mi from home

[pmelah]

ok got some readings that are not in spec

 

200 scale on my greenlee DM-60 digital meter with fresh new battery

 

primary ignition coil black lead on pos battery lead battery unhooked key off

 

orange 4.1 ohms

gray 4.1 ohms

yellow 4.6 ohms

white 4.2 ohms

 

 

battery hooked

red/white on 8 pin connector showed 11.6v dc the same as my jump box battery

checked with another battery 12.9 on battery and same on red/white wire 3rd bat was 12.4 and at wire 12.4 key on

 

 

battery unhooked 6 wire connector black meter lead on neg bat connector key on

 

on 200 scale next step up is 2k on my meter

 

pick-up coil resistance

orange OL

gray OL

red/white OL

green/white OL edit pick up coil reading checked at both plugs sorry been up all night reading everything in 1st gen teck library and was checing 8 in connector this time it was 6 pin and 5 pin by the seat

 

and now Toyota called me wanting to reschedule for tomorrow that's not going to happen now i have to call them when i get the bike fixed if that's possible. can the pick up coils be fixed without having to replace them or am i a sitting duck dead in the water also the volt gauge was showing normal charging and works properly so my R/R should be ok going bac out to check one more time thats all plug wires and caps hooked to new spark plugs all 4 gapped .31 to .35

Edited June 3, 2013 by pmelah

[pmelah]

with another check it still the same OL. on pick up coil and 4.1 and up on ignition coils

... i was hopingthe would show up correctly if i gave them a chance:fingers-crossed-emo to straighten their act up :rotf:

[dingy]

with another check it still the same OL. on pick up coil and 4.1 and up on ignition coils

... i was hopingthe would show up correctly if i gave them a chance:fingers-crossed-emo to straighten their act up :rotf:

 

These readings should be taken with the pickup coil connector unplugged from main harness.

Gary

[frankd]

Pmelah,

 

If I was in your shoes, I think I'd borrow a car or a ride and go for that interview first and fix the bike afterwards. The job may not wait if you ignore it!!!

 

 

Unplug the pick up coils and measure on the side of the plug that leads down to the engine. Put one of the ohmeter leads on the black wire, and then measure to the other 4 leads. You should measure about 110 ohm on all 4. It seems a bit odd that you are measuring all 4 pick up coils as open. That would indicate that the black lead itself has come loose. Try measuring between any 2 of the other 4 wires. You should measure about 220 ohm. You can test the pick up coils from the 5 lead plug on the TCI or at the plug on the left side of the bike, just above where the stator leads connect to the regulator plug (or at the top of the left frame tube behind the motor). Unplug the connecter here and measure the set of wires that goes DOWNWARD.

 

 

Good Luck on the JOB

 

Frank

[pmelah]

These readings should be taken with the pickup coil connector unplugged from main harness.

Gary

 

i did the check with the TCI off the bike sitting 10 feet from it on the table black lead of my meter on the neg- battery lead with the key on and key off battery was also sitting on the table next to the TCI. i am going to do the check with my black lead on the pos+ bat lead key on and off just to see what happens on the 6 wire plug t the TCI. i figure it cant hurt

[pmelah]

ok im simple got to be specific or i dont understand i do better with hands on and watching others do things in some cases but i just got clairification on what i am doing wrong with my testing i feel so stupid after reading the directions and not comprehending until some one points it out my black lead needs to be on the black wire from the plug ok i see but that is what i love about this site thank you

[pmelah]

Pmelah,

 

If I was in your shoes, I think I'd borrow a car or a ride and go for that interview first and fix the bike afterwards. The job may not wait if you ignore it!!!

 

 

Unplug the pick up coils and measure on the side of the plug that leads down to the engine. Put one of the ohmeter leads on the black wire, and then measure to the other 4 leads. You should measure about 110 ohm on all 4. It seems a bit odd that you are measuring all 4 pick up coils as open. That would indicate that the black lead itself has come loose. Try measuring between any 2 of the other 4 wires. You should measure about 220 ohm. You can test the pick up coils from the 5 lead plug on the TCI or at the plug on the left side of the bike, just above where the stator leads connect to the regulator plug (or at the top of the left frame tube behind the motor). Unplug the connecter here and measure the set of wires that goes DOWNWARD.

 

 

Good Luck on the JOB

 

Frank

Frank thank you for your support on this

borrowing a friends car unfortunately is not an option as all of my so called friends that i have helped out in the past can not help some of them that would help if they could just cant as that's all they have and need it to get back and forth to work im set on running the bike as i was able to afford the gas on it 40 to go to Tupelo the last time for testing and 20 to get back and that was with a stuck float on the first leg of the trip up reason for the 40 cost i when i go this time it will definitely be on a wing and a prayer since i don't have any more money and im fighting unemployment and im not one to ask for any as i know how hard it is to work for what little we all do get from our jobs and or retirement and i really don't want people thinking the wrong thing about me (leach or freeloading bum i think we all know a few of these) i don't know call it stubborn pride i was always taught to be the one people could depend on and provide for my family from the school of hard knocks (we all have been to that school) and i feel like i have failed at that as for the reason to get this bike running so i can get another job to provide for myself and my family as for ignoring it i don't plan on that if i have to i will walk the 300 mi. it may take me 5 or 6 days but i would do it if i have to i really don't like putting my personal business out there but honestly this is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg with what im going through and lie Squidley said to me if it wasn't for bad luck i would not have any at all enough venting i think i will be on the right track to get the bike running now but can anyone tell me where the tip over switch is and if that is my problem is there a way to bypass it to get by temporarily till i can get a new one i will be testing the pick up coils in the morning the correct way this time :detective::detective:i do want to thank everyone for there suggestion ideas and tips in helping me to figure out this problem you have all been a great help more than you can imagine

[Venturous Randy]

OK, a couple of things; I thought a saw a question about the tip-over switch. It is located up behind the headlight and can be a problem. I had a problem with it coming loose from the mounting and hanging down on one side and making the bike run intermittent, as it was not completely cutting the bike off. I remounted it with the up direction pointing up and that fixed it.

Second, if my memory serves me correctly, you can disconnect or clip the black wire running to the TCI and that will bypass all the safety switches. This is the black wire on the larger connection on the TCI.

Third. How much voltage are you getting from the ignition running to the red wire on the TCI. I was running a little low on voltage that was causing a starting problem and installed a relay using the power coming from the red wire and having a fused wire directly from the battery going through the relay to the TCI. This means when the red wire was energized through the ignition, it energized the relay putting about 13 volts to the TCI. This really helped the starting and the low RPM running of the bike.

RandyA

[pmelah]

OK i tested the pick=up coils the CORRECT:whistling: way this time :rotf: and i have 115 to 120 on all 4 :cool10: everything was good and my ignition coils are still showing 4 to 4.5 but good news its running now can anyone explain why when i pull the relay with blue connector it runs and when i put it back in it wont the tip ove switch is mounted good noting lose i checked it with key on bat hooked up put my leads on it and it cuts the bike off as if the key was turned off and when i do get a reading its 0.7 v dc strange i think it is the culprit with it unplugged and relay in it still wont start so i know the relay is fried and the tip over switch is part of the problem

[Flyinfool]

Sounds like progress.

 

Soooooooo.......

Leave the relay out.

Cross your fingers and toes and beat feet to your interview.

Just don't tip it over while running.

[pmelah]

thanks Jeff i plan on it just have to call them back now and set up a new date and time and then get up there.. got to take all my pennies i saved in the change jug and hit up one of those coin star machines so i have gas money for the trip up and back:cool10::322::322:ill be riding again

[Yammer Dan]

thanks Jeff i plan on it just have to call them back now and set up a new date and time and then get up there.. got to take all my pennies i saved in the change jug and hit up one of those coin star machines so i have gas money for the trip up and back:cool10::322::322:ill be riding again

 

 

Coin machines around here charge 10 cents for each Buck that goes thru them. I'll count change all day long at that rate. Take it to a bank.

[pmelah]

i never been to one to use i know i got about 15.00 in pennies but i think the bank wants them rolld up not sure will be checking in the morning

[Flyinfool]

My bank does not want them rolled.

They would rather dump then into their counter.

Some people do not count so good and always seem to be short by 1 or 2 coins.

 

But then they will only do your change IF you have an account with them.

[Big Lou]

casino in biloxi trade :em for free an buffet is $ 3.99

 

WANNA RACE???????

[KIC]

If you need a different tip over switch, and I can figure out what they look like AND if there is one on either of my 84 parts bikes you can have it for free and I will ship it at no charge. Just post a picture of it and maybe where it is mounted. I'll go over and look at the bikes.

[pmelah]

thanks KIC the switch is behind the headlight below and behind relay row i pasted a link that has a pic of one hard to get at too if you have big hands http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1984-YAMAHA-VENTURE-XVZ1200-EMERGENCY-STOP-SWITCH-/350721121890

[pmelah]

casino in biloxi trade :em for free an buffet is $ 3.99

 

WANNA RACE???????

i use to work in them now i stay as far away as i can i wana sit at the front door and tell people to just give me thier money and walk away and they wont be mad but if they go in and lose they will be so upset im trying to save them the anger its a win win deal but casinos wont go for it :whistling:

[KIC]

Ok.. I printed the picture. I will try to go over tomorrow. I checked the box of parts I have already taken off the bikes and there wasn't one in there. Hopefully there is at least one on one of the bikes.

 

I'll let you know.

 

Bill

[pmelah]

thanks Bill

[dingy]

Have you unplugged the connector going to the fall over switch?

 

If you unplug connector, switch is no longer a factor. Bike will start if this was the problem. If not then it may be in the starting circuit.

 

Bike will crank with fall over switch activated, just not run.

 

Let me know if you have it targeted to fall over, I have several and can send you one in tomorrows mail.

 

Gary

[Evan]

--- another example of the help available from the good VentureRider people. While I can't offer you more Paul, I do wish you good luck with your electrical challenge.

[pmelah]

yes Gary i have it unplugged taped up and tucked out of the way but i had a 2 fold problem tip over unplugged no spark pulled relay with blue connector tip over switch plugged in no spark pulled both i have spark and took it for a nice test ride today i never knew this bike would run so smooth on all 4 for the longest time i was running 3 and thought it was normal all 4 pipes were getting hot # 1 was dropping out on an intermittent basis and i didn't know i guess the cause of the old TCI on its way out anyway it ran nice and smooth gas consumption seems a little more but not sure yet going to reset the trip meter top it off and then gauge it from there its tweetys old new heart in a 1200 it definatly has a lot of get up and gone not go but gone :whistling::rotf::rotf: i did have one hick up at 3500 rpm where she dropped but picked right up my tip over switch was wrapped with elec tape (got broken wires at the plug connector) got home and tape came off i think it may have grounded and caused the hick up re wrapped it tight and tucked out of way and no problem since hence the get up and gone:322::yikes::bikersmilie::happy-emoticon:oh that ride was fun :rotf:

[pmelah]

yep thats the culprit Gary mine is still attached as i cant get my hands in there far enough but when i get a new used one i will have to take everything apart to get at it i will take it apart to look inside like you did and i will take pics to

[dingy]

yep thats the culprit Gary mine is still attached as i cant get my hands in there far enough but when i get a new used one i will have to take everything apart to get at it i will take it apart to look inside like you did and i will take pics to

 

The blue relay is the side stand relay. This one has a blue base due to it being different from the other relays in bike.The contact on this relays contact opens when coil is energized. All other relays on bike the contact closes when coil is energized

 

If you remove this relay, it is bypassing side stand safety functions, you may be able to put bike in gear with stand down & not kill motor.

 

Gary