Orange Peel & Bad repair

[Yammer Dan]

Can orange peel be buffed out or should it be repainted? Guy that painted my 2010 G6 must have thought I was blind. Orange Peel all over front bumper. He claims he can buff it out. My thought is he didn't put much paint on there to begin with and buffing it is going to make it very thin and prone to scratches. Not only issue I have with it. He replacedfront bumper cover,hood, rigt headlight and I think drivers fender. Nothing lines up as it should. Headlight and turn signal don't work. Paint sucks. Tere is also a scratch that someone has attempted to cover on rear door where there was no damage. He claims he knows nothing about it. It was not there when I washed and waxed it!! Was not there when I dropped it off at his shop. He says he will rest of stuff but not the scratch. Let him fix what he will or take it all to court??

[SilvrT]

You can't buff out orange peel ... it has to be repainted, period (unless it's a very mild case and doesn't cover a large area).

 

Get him to fix his screw-up properly and if then not satisfied ...

[bongobobny]

Yup! Orange peel is orange peel, caused by excessive moisture in his air lines. There is a product you add to the paint to prevent orange peel, he was too darn cheap to add it,, and probably didn't want to take the time to service his moisture trap, or didn't spend the money to install one!

 

I would nicely inform him you are dissatisfied with his service, and if he does not make it right, he should expect a visit from the local BBB...

[luke000]

I say have him repaint it, On my last custom build I painted the gas tank, and side panels and there was bad orange peel. If worst comes to worst, wet sand it down with a block and then use polishing compound on a buffer to bring the shine back (its what I did on the previously mentioned bike here) Also did you or the painter wax or put some sort of protection on the paint when it was done?

[SilvrT]

Yup! Orange peel is orange peel, caused by excessive moisture in his air lines. There is a product you add to the paint to prevent orange peel, he was too darn cheap to add it,, and probably didn't want to take the time to service his moisture trap, or didn't spend the money to install one!

 

I would nicely inform him you are dissatisfied with his service, and if he does not make it right, he should expect a visit from the local BBB...

 

Bob... you're talking about fish eye ... orange peel is caused commonly by the paint drying out before it hits the surface (plus several other possibilities).

 

See this ...

 

http://pc.dupont.com/dpc/en/US/html/visitor/s/trouble/PDSG_OrangePeel.html

[SilvrT]

I say have him repaint it, On my last custom build I painted the gas tank, and side panels and there was bad orange peel. If worst comes to worst, wet sand it down with a block and then use polishing compound on a buffer to bring the shine back (its what I did on the previously mentioned bike here) Also did you or the painter wax or put some sort of protection on the paint when it was done?

 

one should not apply a wax to fresh paint ... it should cure for a while first.

[bongobobny]

Oops, my bad silverT! You are correct!!

[dacheedah]

time for some wet sand and re-shoot it.

[luke000]

one should not apply a wax to fresh paint ... it should cure for a while first.

 

That's what I was getting at

[Yammer Dan]

He told us when we picked it up it had just been waxed. This just keeps getting better. He said it was too cold the day he sprayed it and that caused the Peel?

[Guest]

Too cold conditions could do it too.

[bongobobny]

Yah!! Never wax fresh paint for 30 days!

[rickardracing]

You can wet sand it down and wheel it out if there is enough paint (layers), but if the guy was trying to pass this off as a finished product then I doubt he will be able to fix it. I take it you did not take this to an actual body shop? He sounds like a hack and I would tell him to fix it correctly and then get a lawyer ready. I think you may need it.

[Steve Hamm]

I work in the industry (auto body / painter) and have come across this many times , when a bumper is replaced and is not prepped properly you will have bad orange peel . Most times the new bumper will come primed , most replacement bumpers are remand (recycled) any way the primer always has orange peel and is not sanded properly then the orange peel just gets worse with every coat . It does have to be sanded and repainted . As far as every thing not fitting , he either put on after market parts , that do not fit all the time , OR , there is more damage further in . I deal with this every day , if it is not the way it used to be , or better , then it is not good enough......

[SilvrT]

He told us when we picked it up it had just been waxed. This just keeps getting better. He said it was too cold the day he sprayed it and that caused the Peel?

 

This guy obviously does not know what he's doing. Hope ya didn't pay him. If not, I'd be taking it elsewhere.

[Yamamike]

I say have him repaint it, On my last custom build I painted the gas tank, and side panels and there was bad orange peel. If worst comes to worst, wet sand it down with a block and then use polishing compound on a buffer to bring the shine back (its what I did on the previously mentioned bike here) Also did you or the painter wax or put some sort of protection on the paint when it was done?

 

If it's not too deep and the clear coat is deep enough:2cents:

[Yammer Dan]

I'm thinking after looking at the rest of his work that the paint is very thin. Buffing might get to primer. This is about the worst job I've ever seen. Thats the way my luck has been going. I'm afraid if I let him have it back I will end up in worse shape than before. Which way to go? BBB? Magistrate? What??

[jfoster]

Maybe all the above...the first thing they may ask is if you gave him the opportunity to fix it. Or maybe you can persuade him to refund your money on the labor and paint and taken it elsewhere.

 

Has he been in business long? He may have civil suits against him from other shady jobs?

[saddlebum]

Yup! Orange peel is orange peel, caused by excessive moisture in his air lines. There is a product you add to the paint to prevent orange peel, he was too darn cheap to add it,, and probably didn't want to take the time to service his moisture trap, or didn't spend the money to install one!

 

I would nicely inform him you are dissatisfied with his service, and if he does not make it right, he should expect a visit from the local BBB...

Actually Orange peel is caused by the paint not being thinned out enough, or not using the proper thinner for the temperature conditions under which the paint is being applied, allowing the paint to dry to fast and not flow out. If conditions are extremely warm then sometimes a retarder needs to be added to the paint.

Too much moisture in the air lines or spraying when humidity is high causes a condition called fish eye. Here again an additive called fish eye eliminator can be added to the paint if needed.

If it is an enamel or similar single coat paint it can be surface sanded until smooth and then repainted. But if it is any of the base coat clear coat types then it needs to be completely redone.

 

Bottom line get the guy to do the job right or let him foot the bill to have another shop correct his work.

Edited May 24, 2013 by saddlebum

[Yammer Dan]

I'm thinking with his attitude I don't want him touching it again. If I have to listen to him make any more excuses and tell me again he doesn't know anything about the gouge in the door I'm probally going to get into trouble. Just gotta figure out which way to go. He claims 24 yrs without a disatified customer. Can't believe that.

[XV1100SE]

.... He claims 24 yrs without a disatified customer. Can't believe that.

 

That's because the disatisfied customers are no longer customers !

[SilvrT]

He claims 24 yrs without a disatified customer (that he's gonna tell about).