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uncledj

uncledj

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I'm gonna go ahead and put a 4 brush starter on my 87,

What year starter should I be looking for.....when did they start using the 4 brush starters???......is there any year in-particular that I should look for?

 

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uncledj

uncledj

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Wow.....couldn't you have made that a little easier for me??? lol

Thanks.

I really appreciate the help.

I'm gonna go ahead and buy it right now.:cool10:

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icebrrg3rd

icebrrg3rd

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Well, I waited and that lot of starters is now gone. I did a search and found this one for $79, free shipping. It has in the "Replaces these part numbers" the same part number as the other one. So I'm guessing that it should be the same. Will order it this weekend and find out.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-STARTER-Yamaha-V-MAX-V-MAX-VMX1200-VMAX-1985-2000-MOTORCYCLE-VMX-1200-1198cc-/140904192531?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20ce8b5a13&vxp=mtr

 

-Andrew

Flyinfool

Flyinfool

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Andrew

To bad we didn't get together, we could have ordered 2 and split the shipping.

Let me know how it looks, I may upgrade mine to. but looking to try the cable upgrade first. I already did the ground wire upgrade and that did help.

Snaggletooth

Snaggletooth

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What is the ground wire upgrade?????:confused24:

 

 

This will explain it.

 

 

http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=46806

 

It does help, I've done in on mine. But as you have to pull the starter out to do it you're more than half way to putting in a new 4 brush unit. The 4 brush fixes the problem.

 

The things to do:

 

4 brush unit

Upgrade battery cables

DEKA AGM

 

Pretty much the best combination to get the best cranking power you can.

mralex714

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Well, I waited and that lot of starters is now gone. I did a search and found this one for $79, free shipping. It has in the "Replaces these part numbers" the same part number as the other one. So I'm guessing that it should be the same. Will order it this weekend and find out.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-STARTER-Yamaha-V-MAX-V-MAX-VMX1200-VMAX-1985-2000-MOTORCYCLE-VMX-1200-1198cc-/140904192531?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20ce8b5a13&vxp=mtr

 

-Andrew

 

I sent them an email and they said this is a 2 brush starter.:detective:

MiCarl

MiCarl

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If it is indeed 2 brush it really shouldn't be listed for the newer V-Max motorcycles.

 

As near as I can recon the Mitsuba SM-229C is a 2 brush starter. The Mitsuba SM13279 is the 4 brush.

 

THIS ONE is from the same seller at $99 and lists it as replacing both the SM-229C and the SM13279. It's more likely to be a 4 brush starter.

 

Rare Electrical is the outfit I bought mine from, but they don't seem to currently list a V-Max starter. Might be worth giving them a call (866) 695-0363.

icebrrg3rd

icebrrg3rd

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This one also says it replaces SM13-279 and is $88.45 + free shipping. I'll give them a call a little bit later this morning.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-Starter-VMAX-1200-V-Max-1FK-81800-10-00-Yamaha-/300591657853?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45fca8b37d&vxp=mtr

 

Jeff, wouldn't matter on ordering them together, they all seem to have free shipping unless you want it faster. Also, I have upgraded my wires and ran a jumper to the started for a ground, plus did the internal ground thingy inside the starter, didn't really help. I did just get a new battery, not sure how old the last one was (I had the bike for 3 years, no idea on when the PO replaced it). I'm going to install it this morning and maybe take a test spin to see if it will restart hot. I do admit I need to do the fusebox (next on my list) but I don't see how that would affect the starter.

 

Anyways, I'll report back what I find out about the starter I posted about.

 

-Andrew

icebrrg3rd

icebrrg3rd

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Well, I tried calling them, got the machine saying call back during business hours M-F. So I'll have to wait til then to find out if it is a 2 or 4 brush motor.

 

-Andrew

icebrrg3rd

icebrrg3rd

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Dang it, called them and they said it was a 2-brush motor. Wonder if they know that as fact or just saying it cause they don't know/don't want to check. Guess I'll be putting out the extra cash for the 4-brush one that MiCarl listed. Really want the hard hot starting to go away, it's embarrassing trying to start it up in public after getting gas or a quick trip into a store.

 

So are all RSV starters 4 brush? Would a used one from someplace like Pinwall be ok for a cheaper source? Not sure how long a starter will last, I suppose the only real wear item is the brushes.

 

-Andrew

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gwashorn

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I am really interested in this because I contacted the shop that does my VR work and asked him about his price. He said about $425 for an OEM and $250 for third party for the 4 brush model. I have looked at these posted up here from EBAY and have to wonder what I am really getting. I want to get mine replace while out on vacation before the summer starts. I too hate getting gas and then it won't start till it cools. My 4th VR and they all did the same thing.

timgray

timgray

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I found a used one off ebay for $55.00 off of a Royal Star from 2001 and it looks like new. Keep searching and dont pay over $55.00 shipped.

gwashorn

gwashorn

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I want to go ahead and do the 4 pole upgrade. So for most folks, if you find one used on say Ebay you feel OK about that or would a new one make you feel better? I know my mechanic can get one but for probably closer to $200. So $100 plus difference on what you are seeing on Ebay etc and a new one. value difference?

dingy

dingy

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I want to go ahead and do the 4 pole upgrade. So for most folks, if you find one used on say Ebay you feel OK about that or would a new one make you feel better? I know my mechanic can get one but for probably closer to $200. So $100 plus difference on what you are seeing on Ebay etc and a new one. value difference?

 

 

Some Ebay listings for 4 brush starters.

 

Gary

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Yamaha-Royal-Star-XVZ1300-Starter-Motor-1300-Tour-Deluxe-/110957282553?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19d591c4f9&vxp=mtr

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/97-Yamaha-Royal-Star-Venture-XVZ1300-STARTER-STARTING-MOTOR-/310655456399?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item485482148f&vxp=mtr

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-Royal-Star-Venture-1300-STARTER-STARTING-MOTOR-/350144363143?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item51863afa87&vxp=mtr

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/00-Yamaha-Royal-Star-Venture-XVZ1300-STARTER-STARTING-MOTOR-/130760943260?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e71f5a69c&vxp=mtr

timgray

timgray

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Wow, Mine off ebay looked a LOT nicer than those. Mine was dirty with NO corrosion. Some of those look like they sat on the bottom of a lake for 3 years or more.

 

gwashorn

gwashorn

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Much appreciated. Guess the choice is used and new for price difference. Starters usually good for a long time.

 

gwashorn

gwashorn

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OK, I was nervous because there is no real proof who has a 2 or 4 brush model on these. I checked out the top one and liked it. Sent a message to the seller and they said it is a 2 brush model and needed to go with a different one. He provided a link for the 4 brush. It is for the V-MAX.

 

http://www.cafr.ebay.ca/itm/150947360302?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649

 

My wife and I both did a search on the OEM numbers etc and found it new and even on Amazon for $79.00 and free shipping.

 

[ame][url=http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-V-MAX-VMAX-1200-Starter/dp/B002VM34NK/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1367355076&sr=1-1&keywords=SM-229C+18750#productDetails]http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-V-MAX-VMAX-1200-Starter/dp/B002VM34NK/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1367355076&sr=1-1&keywords=SM-229C+18750#productDetails[/ame]

 

Still going to all the manufacturer web sites, they do not get the number of brushes. So I am going to try and contact DB and ask them to verify it. But it is for the right bike and year and I suspect since the other person also stated it was a 4 brush versus his in the site above, that it will be a 4 brush. If I can find out for certain, I will post it. thanks.

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