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Okay, I am going to stick my neck out here, and risk saying something negative about a product, that some of you may in fact like, and I have heard that Freebird really likes this stuff.

 

If you use Ride On tire protection sealant...balancer..., and you have had 100 % positive results from the use of this product...then that is good. I am happy for you. I am obviously not going to sway you away from its' use.

 

 

However, if you are "thinking" about using Ride On tire protection sealant...balancer...I would "politely" suggest that you do NOT use it, UNLESS...you are a slow rider, never take the bike over 80 mph, or ride a Ural w/sidecar. (love ya Brian)

 

 

Here is why:

 

 

# 1 - anytime there is any kind of substance inside a motorcycle tire, or a car tire for that matter, and you go to have the tire changed...you MUST let the shop or dealership know that there is a substance inside the tire...before they deflate and dismount the tire. This includes any kind of internal balancer, or tire sealant. There have been instances where employees at shops have been injured when deflating and dismounting a tire that had sealant or balancer slime inside the tire. At the least...it makes for a messy job when dismounting, as the slime also gets on the inside of the wheel rim area. This makes the shop tech MAD, because now he/she has to clean up a slimey mess, in order to mount the new tire. Making a shop tech MAD at you, when you are having them install tires on your bike...is NOT a good thing to happen.

 

 

# 2 - it has been shown that 93.14159 % of all inside the tire balancer do NOT work at speeds over 80 mph. If the internal balancer is a loose object, such as the ball bearings or beads, they can NOT keep up with the rotational speed of the tire...above 80 mph. At lower speeds, they "appear" to work okay. I can't speak for anyone else, but I do not ride my bike with a limited speed of under 80 mph. I want to know that "if" and "when" I do go above 80 mph, my tires are still balanced.

 

 

Example: I had Wingman Enterprises in Portland, OR. install a new set of Avon Cobra radials on my '06 Wing, and when they did, they talked me into "trying" these Concentric Wheel Balancers that mounted to the inboard side of each brake rotor. It was basically a flat plate that bolted to the bike, and on the outside circumference of the flat plate was a round tube, welded to the plate. Inside that round tube was a set of 5 or 6 ball bearings, that were supposed to balance the tires as the bike rolled down the road. This same balancer set-up has been used on large trucks...18 wheelers...for many years.

I let them install these...I left from Portland, OR. and rode up to Regina, SK to start the 3 Flags Classic ride, and halfway through Montana I stopped on the side of the road to call the shop in Portland, and tell them how disappointed I was in these balancers. At that moment, I did not know for 100 % if it was the balancers, or the new Avon Cobra radials.

I told the shop that it only does this at speeds of 80 mph or more. Their answer to me was, well, dont ride that fast. What?

 

 

By the time I was done riding to Regina, SK., then riding down to Tucson, AZ., then riding back to Portland, OR. I had over 5500 miles on the new Avons and balancers, and I wanted them off. I asked the service manager to PLEASE take my bike for a ride, and prove it to himself, because...of course...no one else had ever complained about this problem. He took my bike for a test ride, was gone for 30 minutes, and when he came back, he said that he could not feel any problem with the tire balancing. I asked him...what speed to you go? And his answer was that the shops insurance will not let them exceed the speed limit. Well...B.S. He knew that the problem started at 80 mph, but he would not take a 2006 GL-1800 Wing up to 80 mph. WOW !

 

 

They ended up "saying" they believed me, and took off the wheel balancers, took off the 5500 mile old Avon Radials, and gave me a new set of Dunlop E-3 radials, and...good old fashioned stick on wheel weights, because my wheels were powder coated black.

 

 

I have yet to see a tire taken off a bike that had tire sealant inside of it...that was evenly coated on the inside of the tire. If the job of the sealant is to SEAL the tire, in case of a flat...then it should be evenly coated on all interior surfaces. If the job of the slime is to balance the tire...then most likely it will not be evenly dispersed, as it tries to find the light spot to flow to, to balance the tire.

 

 

Hear me now...:soapbox:...I say to "just say NO" to tire sealant/balancers.

 

 

Find a shop that really...honestly...knows how to properly balance a motorcycle tire, and have them use lead weights on the outside of the tire to balance it. If you tire gets a flat, stop...plug the tire...and then get it repaired or replaced when it is safe to do so.

 

 

I can tell you that with 43 years of riding, and 1,875,000 miles on motorcycles, I have never had a flat tire strand me on the road...and...have never had a properly balanced tire go out of balance during the life of the tire. Call me old school :backinmyday: , but I believe that certain things should be left they way they were, and not messed up with high tech gadgetry.

Posted

I do have a photo some place I will try and find you

where the Ride is perfect in the tire that had 10K on it

and the clean up is nothing like slime. I agree never use

any of this stuff as a balancer ever. and also make sure

you have the tires balanced for before adding it if you choose

to do so. anyways the shop I took my old tires to was very impressed with

how it didn't give them any problems what so ever. oh and removing

the RIDE-ON was a very simple task with a house and cold water.

 

Peace.

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oh and removing

the RIDE-ON was a very simple task with a house and cold water.

 

WAIT ??? have you tried the stuff ? :scratchchin:

 

 

Jeff, the simple answer is yes. But...why would anyone want to try it, if even you say that you had to use a HOUSE...and cold water to clean it up. I don't know about you, but I like to use my house for living in, not cleaning my bike wheels.

 

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Find a shop that really...honestly...knows how to properly balance a motorcycle tire, and have them use lead weights on the outside of the tire to balance it.

 

The People's Republic of California has banned lead wheel weights. Consequently they're getting hard to find.

 

Next time you're likely to get steel or zinc. Which means instead of a couple you'll probably get a foot of them.

Posted
The People's Republic of California has banned lead wheel weights. Consequently they're getting hard to find.

 

Next time you're likely to get steel or zinc. Which means instead of a couple you'll probably get a foot of them.

 

 

Very interesting that you say that, because...I just had my Super Tenere' tires changed out on January 29th, 2013, at a shop in Redding, California, and they used lead weights.

 

Yes...lead...not zinc or steel.

Posted
Very interesting that you say that, because...I just had my Super Tenere' tires changed out on January 29th, 2013, at a shop in Redding, California, and they used lead weights.

 

Yes...lead...not zinc or steel.

 

California Department of Toxic Substance Control: LINK

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California Department of Toxic Substance Control: LINK

 

Carl, that is an interesting article. Good reading. So I guess the shop that did my Super Tenere' last month are rebels. Most people in far northern Cali are rebels anyway. They do not subscribe to the political ways of life of those folks from central cali or southern cali.

 

Go rebels ! :cool10:

 

It is a good thing we still have the right to lead wheel weights here in Washington State.

And if it ever comes to our state banning them, I have a couple of the large boxes of stick on lead wheel weights, and my own balancer. :backinmyday:

Posted
Carl, that is an interesting article. Good reading. So I guess the shop that did my Super Tenere' last month are rebels. Most people in far northern Cali are rebels anyway. They do not subscribe to the political ways of life of those folks from central cali or southern cali.

 

Go rebels ! :cool10:

 

It is a good thing we still have the right to lead wheel weights here in Washington State.

And if it ever comes to our state banning them, I have a couple of the large boxes of stick on lead wheel weights, and my own balancer. :backinmyday:

 

I'd sure like to know where they got them. Both the suppliers I use quit carrying lead.

 

I've switched mostly to 5g steel stick on. They look nicer than lead and are quite a bit less expensive too. The problem is it can take a lot of them because they're light.

 

The only thing I'm finding in a spoke type weight are tin and steel. Pretty difficult to crimp zinc and impossible to crimp steel. This is where I really miss lead.

Posted
I'd sure like to know where they got them. Both the suppliers I use quit carrying lead.

 

I've switched mostly to 5g steel stick on. They look nicer than lead and are quite a bit less expensive too. The problem is it can take a lot of them because they're light.

 

The only thing I'm finding in a spoke type weight are tin and steel. Pretty difficult to crimp zinc and impossible to crimp steel. This is where I really miss lead.

 

 

So, are you saying that even in Michigan you cannot get lead wheel weights ???

 

Want me to ship some to you?

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So, are you saying that even in Michigan you cannot get lead wheel weights ???

 

Want me to ship some to you?

 

Thanks, but I think you better hang on to yours.

 

Just looking on the internet, Maine, Illinois and New York have also banned lead wheel weights.

 

I'll probably just go to the stick on weights for wire wheels when my zinc crimp on ones are gone.

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