Shifter

[Yamamike]

The new to me boards and heel/toe shifter (swaped with Paysaw) work fabulously except that because the shifter mounts directly to the shift lever shaft...the shift pattern is reversed! Anyone know if this can be changed (without dismantling the transmission)?

[dingy]

You have the short lever on the shaft that goes through the stator cover pointing up.

It needs to point down.

I can put a picture up tonight when I get home if you don't understand.

Gary

[Mel]

It's been a while since I had my 1984 Venture Royale, but I do remember some things about the shifter linkage. (I rode it 'till 2004) Someone has re-assembled the linkage wrong. You need to remove part of it from a splined shaft and reposition it so that it rotates the shaft in the opposite direction. It's an easy mistake to make and easy to fix. In other words, if it is connected with a short linkage piece pointing up, it needs to be moved so that it points down (or vise-versa), thus rotating the shaft the opposite direction as now when actuated.

 

I had a heel/toe shifter on mine, but without the floorboard. I also ALWAYS carried an extra little turn-buckle part (the one used to adjust the height of the shifter), the one with the right hand/left hand threads. I frequently had a problem with that thingy breaking at a thread undercut. The first time it happened I was stuck in 2nd gear, luckily not too far from home. When I ordered a replacement, I ordered two. It broke twice after that but I always had a spare in my tool kit.

 

One of the 1st GEN guys will probably chime in with advice. I don't have one to look at or take a picture, but someone may be able to post up a picture of how it should look. Yours definitely is shifting incorrectly.

 

Oops---looks my slow typing put me behind Dingy. Looks like he's giving good advice.

Edited February 1, 2013 by Mel

[bongobobny]

Yup, what Gary said, your arm is upside down!! How do I know this?? Been there done that, bought the tee shirt...

 

Wait, you say the shifter mounts directly to the knurled shaft? In that case the shaft has to be mounted upside down. I sort of remember seeing this on the site before, and for some reason I think Marcarl knows about this...

 

 

In other words what Mel says. Didn't read his post until after I wrote this!

Edited February 1, 2013 by bongobobny

[Marcarl]

Guess a picture would explain a lot for us, just to be sure.

Normally, the sifter pedal is hooked to a linkage which is then hooked to the shaft that goes through the stator cover (bottom right). On the engine side of the cover the shaft is attached to another linkage with a knuckle. That knuckle wants to point down, but should be pointed up. Either way the cover will go on, but if the knuckle is pointed down it will be a struggle and eventually the case will crack, so the right way is to have it pointed UP!.

[dingy]

Attached are pictures of a standard 1st gen setup.

 

Gary

[Venturous Randy]

I am curious if the shifter is backwards, or it is just backwards from what you thought it would be. Does it still downshift if you push on the front lever and upshift when you push down on the heel lever?

RandyA

[Mel]

I am curious if the shifter is backwards, or it is just backwards from what you thought it would be. Does it still downshift if you push on the front lever and upshift when you push down on the heel lever?

RandyA

 

 

That's a very good question. It should still down shift when you push down on the toe piece, and up shift when you press down with your heel. If it's doing the opposite, it's wrong. Like was said before, a picture of your set-up would help.

[Yamamike]

Nope...it up shifts when I push down on the toe. You can see why fro the pics. I had to re-learn shifts after I did the swap. The shifter is obviously "home made" and I made the swap mostly for the better brake pedal set-up which I ABSOLUTELY LOVE. Any change would have to be made internally per Dingy's photo but I doubt it's possible. If that's the case, I'll happily deal with it for to have the brake pedal. I get sooooo much more control since I can keep my heel planted when braking (especially in corners).

[dingy]

This may be able to be fixed by flipping the lever that is on the end of the shaft that goes through the stator cover so it points down. I am not sure about clearances needed to do this.

 

This might be able to be done by loosening the lever on the shift shaft that goes through block, then slide lever off shift shaft & rotate front lever that goes through stator cover downward. Then replace shift shaft lever in its original orientation.

 

I don't think there is anything inside the motor that could be changed to fix this.

 

Gary

[mbrood]

I'm with Gary, I don't think you need to remove anything if you can get down and see underneath. Break the linkage free from the shift shaft going back to the tranny, rotate the shifter shaft so the pivot arm on the shift shaft pivot is down and the notch on the end of the shift shaft is as well and then align the heel-toe bar so it's "neutral" when the notch is straight down and reattach the link rod between the tranny and the shift shaft so the heel-toe bar is balanced to the floorboard. If visual is a problem then just pop off the middle gear cover and stuff a bolt back in the lower hole position to stop oil seepage (probably need a new middle gear gasket).

[Marcarl]

Just some pictures to show that the inside knuckle must be in the UP position. The cover won't go on properly when the knuckle is in the down position, you can ram it on but something will have to give and it won't shift if at all. There is not enough room in behind the knuckle when it is down, not so the case when it is up because of the shape of the lower crankcase cover (oil pan).

Now the outside knuckle could possibly go either up or down and if you reverse it (up rather than down or vice-versa) then you would reverse the shift pattern on your heal toe.

In the first picture the cover is properly seated and went on easy. In pictures 2,3&4 the cover is still 1\2 inch to go, but can't because the shifter is jammed against the lower crankcase cover.

[Yamamike]

Hmmm...that looks intriguing Carl...I wonder if some tweaking of the inner lever could give me enough clearance. Those pics are a HUGE help...thanks Brother!!

[Yamamike]

Based on Carl's photos, I wonder if there would be enough clearance if that inner lever were re-installed in down position but have the ball joint flipped to the outside???

I know this is getting to be cliche but this group really ROCKS!!!

[azxvz1284]

I'd like to try one on my First Gen Venture. Anyone know where I can get a heel toe shifter?

 

Thanks,

 

Richard

 

[paysaw]

HI Mike

The shifter looks good.I found that you had to take off the stator cover and re position the shifter shaft 180 degree's.That is the easiest way.I have the gasket on hand if you want to replace the one I have.You know where I am at. LOL:cool10:

[dingy]

HI Mike

The shifter looks good.I found that you had to take off the stator cover and re position the shifter shaft 180 degree's.That is the easiest way.I have the gasket on hand if you want to replace the one I have.You know where I am at. LOL:cool10:

 

1 1/2 year old thread, he either fixed it or is used to it by now.

 

Would be great if people that asked for help and fixed problem reported back what it was.

 

I suspect sometimes not wanting to appear "dumb" is part of reason we don't hear what it took to fix things.

 

It would help the next person though if he were able to find thread related to new question with a resolution to issue.

 

Gary