Does not want me to wear any other patch while on a chapter ride

[Yammer Dan]

Hey star you wannabes can go ahead and wear them like that when you run across the Outlaw Clubs. I'll even help load you in the meat wagon.....just saying ypou better know what you are up to.

I said I wasn't going to post in this.........

[eusa1]

I understand better now.

It was not 6, it was just half a dozen.

[Freebird]

Folks, just wanted to step in here for just a moment. It is obvious that there are strong feelings on both sides of the issue and more so about the Star organization in general. It's OK to disagree but please don't let this become deteriorate into name calling and etc. That will get this thread killed.

[BIG TOM]

Folks, just wanted to step in here for just a moment. It is obvious that there are strong feelings on both sides of the issue and more so about the Star organization in general. It's OK to disagree but please don't let this become deteriorate into name calling and etc. That will get this thread killed.

 

 

 

Now why do you have to take away the FUN before it starts....?

[DragonRider]

I am with Earl on this one..............

 

I ride my motorcycle to feel the wind in my face, To relieve the tensions of the day. To feel the power of the engine between my legs. I ride to explore new places, to visit my friends and fellow motorcycle riders. I ride to share the adventure of the open road with my wife Jean, who also chooses to ride for the above reasons. I wear a jacket and/or a vest to keep me warm and dry, and to protect me in the event of an accident.

I am an adult, I paid for my motorcycle with my own, hard earned money. If I have chosen to join a STAR motorcycle club, or ANY other riding club for that matter, and you don't particularly care for the patches or stickers on my vest, jacket or helmet, then please feel free to ride ahead of me, (if you can) or ride behind me, but DON'T TREAD ON ME! I have been around long enough to know that there will be elitist snobs everywhere you go that will screw up a good thing. If this means I will ride with a smaller group, or alone, then so be it. I ride for the personal pleasure riding gives ME. I wear the patches and stickers on my vest that please ME. It's not my job to please YOU. I'm not your mother, and I'm certainly not your wife, so if the president of any club I joined told me I could only wear HIS patch, then I would be taking my scoot, (and a dues refund) to a road where I could feel the wind on my face, and the power of the engine between my legs......I'm sure you get my point.

Earl

[bongobobny]

Yah! To each their own! I do not dislike any Star members, just as I do not dislike any of the members of the "Other" site, I just personally want little to do with the organizations for pretty much the same reason! I left the Baptist church for similar reasons and went with independant non-denominational instead...

[OB-1]

I am with Earl on this one..............

 

:sign yeah that:

[timgray]

Yup club membership to me has no value. I have been asked to join several. I always respond with, "are there any rules I must follow? If so, I'm not interested."

 

Mostly because 99% of any groups rules are not the normal common sense rules, like help your brother riders, don't be a jerk, etc... but things to make people do what someone else wants. We must wear blue on tuesdays, only harley branded clothing, Black socks only... you know the really stupid rules that are only put there for controlling others.

 

 

There are plenty of guys I can ride with that dont care what I ride or what I wear. Those are the ones I want to ride with.

[Sideoftheroad]

Yammer,

 

Star works with the local mc's. To my knowledge Indy has never had any issues with the local mc's. 2010 they were going to have the national rally in Gettysburg. MC said no you are not or else there's going to be a problem. That was the fault of that chapter for not working with mc from the getgo but the issue eventually got worked out but it still wasn't held in PA that year. I could be wrong but I think it will be on Gettysburg in 2013. Some mc's also dictate what can be on the STAR vests too. That's why they don't have 3 piece patches as well as the other patch placement guidelines. Some mc's won't let chapters have any indicating territory line either city and/or state on the bottom rocker.

 

BTW I feel the same about those that wear SOA gear. All it will take is a some guy trying to prove himself to his mc crew that if you want to be a wannabe SOA they will show you what it's like to be the real thing and you aren't going to like the results.

[Blue Giant]

Yup club membership to me has no value. I have been asked to join several. I always respond with, "are there any rules I must follow? If so, I'm not interested."

 

Mostly because 99% of any groups rules are not the normal common sense rules, like help your brother riders, don't be a jerk, etc... but things to make people do what someone else wants. We must wear blue on tuesdays, only harley branded clothing, Black socks only... you know the really stupid rules that are only put there for controlling others.

 

 

There are plenty of guys I can ride with that dont care what I ride or what I wear. Those are the ones I want to ride with.

 

Bingo!

[Guest scarylarry]

Yup club membership to me has no value. I have been asked to join several. I always respond with, "are there any rules I must follow? If so, I'm not interested."

 

Mostly because 99% of any groups rules are not the normal common sense rules, like help your brother riders, don't be a jerk, etc... but things to make people do what someone else wants. We must wear blue on tuesdays, only harley branded clothing, Black socks only... you know the really stupid rules that are only put there for controlling others.

 

 

There are plenty of guys I can ride with that dont care what I ride or what I wear. Those are the ones I want to ride with.

 

Another bingo.....

[Yammer Dan]

Yammer,

 

Star works with the local mc's. To my knowledge Indy has never had any issues with the local mc's. 2010 they were going to have the national rally in Gettysburg. MC said no you are not or else there's going to be a problem. That was the fault of that chapter for not working with mc from the getgo but the issue eventually got worked out but it still wasn't held in PA that year. I could be wrong but I think it will be on Gettysburg in 2013. Some mc's also dictate what can be on the STAR vests too. That's why they don't have 3 piece patches as well as the other patch placement guidelines. Some mc's won't let chapters have any indicating territory line either city and/or state on the bottom rocker.

 

BTW I feel the same about those that wear SOA gear. All it will take is a some guy trying to prove himself to his mc crew that if you want to be a wannabe SOA they will show you what it's like to be the real thing and you aren't going to like the results.

 

Know exactly how that works. Sure don't want to be caught wearing what some Prospect wanting to prove something don't like cause I'm sure his brothers would back him on that one. Been there done that. No I wasn't the Prospect.

[pmelah]

I ride my motorcycle to feel the wind in my face, To relieve the tensions of the day. To feel the power of the engine between my legs. I ride to explore new places, to visit my friends and fellow motorcycle riders. I ride to share the adventure of the open road with my wife Jean, who also chooses to ride for the above reasons. I wear a jacket and/or a vest to keep me warm and dry, and to protect me in the event of an accident.

I am an adult, I paid for my motorcycle with my own, hard earned money. If I have chosen to join a STAR motorcycle club, or ANY other riding club for that matter, and you don't particularly care for the patches or stickers on my vest, jacket or helmet, then please feel free to ride ahead of me, (if you can) or ride behind me, but DON'T TREAD ON ME! I have been around long enough to know that there will be elitist snobs everywhere you go that will screw up a good thing. If this means I will ride with a smaller group, or alone, then so be it. I ride for the personal pleasure riding gives ME. I wear the patches and stickers on my vest that please ME. It's not my job to please YOU. I'm not your mother, and I'm certainly not your wife, so if the president of any club I joined told me I could only wear HIS patch, then I would be taking my scoot, (and a dues refund) to a road where I could feel the wind on my face, and the power of the engine between my legs......I'm sure you get my point.

Earl

 

Perhaps I wasn't blunt enough in my earlier post:

 

There is no STAR Touring rule that would prevent you from wearing anything you want on a ride. Your chapter president is out of line. STAR does have a requirement that patches from other motorcycle organizations not be displayed on a STAR vest, but that's not the issue in your case.

 

Most of the complaints I see have to do with individual chapter leadership. It's not fair to tar the whole organization with what a few people do at the local level.

 

I had complaints with my chapter. The way I saw it is I could leave or I could work to change it. With the help of some like minded people, we've changed it. Our rules are pretty simple: Ride safe and sober, be considerate of your fellow riders. While not a requirement, we do encourage consumption of lots of ice cream.

 

If I had this much free time on my hands, I think I would go for a ride on my bike! Instead of sitting around thinking up ridiculous rules about how many patches of what kind I am allowed to wear on my jacket!?!? This is the very reason I ride my bike in the first place! To get away from the rules, and the silly rule makers. Out on the road, there are only two rules,

#1-twist right hand until grin appears,

#2-lift left foot to engage next gear.

REPEAT!

Motorcycle riding is a way of life, NOT a fashion statement. Perhaps we should change the name of the riding club from STAR Touring to:

Stop

Trying to

Act

Ridiculous!

Now there's a S.T.A.R. Patch I would gladly wear on my jacket!

If STAR spent as much time and money on figuring out how to put a fuel injected engine in their touring bike, or getting rid of the antique cassette deck in the dash, as they did compiling this pile of dung, perhaps they wouldn't be loosing so many members.

After all, how many people do they think they're going to be able to sell a "BRAND NEW"

14 year old motorcycle to? I don't care WHAT color you paint it?

And just for the record, when Yamaha built the First Gen. MKI in 1983, by 1986, they came out with the MKII version, with a larger engine and Carbs. and many other improvements. That bike was built for ten years. The Second Gen. has been produced since 1999, (14 years) NO MKII version produced, unless you want to count the reversing of the battery terminals on the post 06' models as the "MKII" version. Which in this case would mean that the "MK" would stand for MaKe it harder to buy a decent battery for your bike! I'm not making this stuff up folks, just reminding you that this is NOT the first bung that "Yamaha, In all Their Wisdom", has humped. I just hope that Yamaha still remembers how to build a decent Piano if they expect to keep selling the Second Gen. RSV unchanged for another 10 years.

Earl

 

Yup club membership to me has no value. I have been asked to join several. I always respond with, "are there any rules I must follow? If so, I'm not interested."

 

Mostly because 99% of any groups rules are not the normal common sense rules, like help your brother riders, don't be a jerk, etc... but things to make people do what someone else wants. We must wear blue on tuesdays, only harley branded clothing, Black socks only... you know the really stupid rules that are only put there for controlling others.

 

 

There are plenty of guys I can ride with that dont care what I ride or what I wear. Those are the ones I want to ride with.

 

 

:whistling::whistling::whistling::whistling::stirthepot::stirthepot::stirthepot::stirthepot::confused24::confused24::confused24::whistling::whistling::whistling::whistling:

ok enough lets ride :cool10::322::322::322::322:

[XV1100SE]

Know what Vr.org needs? An official club house ! Maybe we should choose Freebird's place as the official location?

 

As for who you ride with and what you wear.... if you join a group that insists you wear something that shows you are a member and says "thou shalt not wear anything else"... and you disagree with this.... walk away from that group. No point arguing about it, even if the "President" of the local is a dick... enough people quit and someone somewhere will change things.

 

I prefer the casual "membership" we have here. Wear what you want, discuss (almost) anything you want (with the exception of a couple dangerous topics that always lead to trouble). Think the only rule our "local" group has is that when MarCarl leads... expect u-turns and gravel roads...and Carl parking his bike on its side.

[pmelah]

Know what Vr.org needs? An official club house ! Maybe we should choose Freebird's place as the official location?

 

As for who you ride with and what you wear.... if you join a group that insists you wear something that shows you are a member and says "thou shalt not wear anything else"... and you disagree with this.... walk away from that group. No point arguing about it, even if the "President" of the local is a dick... enough people quit and someone somewhere will change things.

 

I prefer the casual "membership" we have here. Wear what you want, discuss (almost) anything you want (with the exception of a couple dangerous topics that always lead to trouble). Think the only rule our "local" group has is that when MarCarl leads... expect u-turns and gravel roads...and Carl parking his bike on its side.

 

 

well if thias happens i want to nominate:whistling: the pond monster for national president :rotf::rotf::rotf:

[chabicheka]

As for who you ride with and what you wear.... if you join a group that insists you wear something that shows you are a member and says "thou shalt not wear anything else"... and you disagree with this.... walk away from that group. No point arguing about it, even if the "President" of the local is a dick... enough people quit and someone somewhere will change things.

 

no point in:bang head::bang head: over it.... and getting over 60 people aggravated to a point where the thread is in danger of being pulled.

[motorcycle_1300]

I have been a Star toring member for 7 yers. I do have issues with National, but I like the national events like star days, without this there are friends I have made that I would probably never run into otherwise. Do I like the way it is run nope. Our group Dutifully nods our heads and then do what Our group decides to do locally. Do we get our $48 bucks worth, probably not. I do like that as a group we get together an a regular pasis Star Touring provides a focus, but not an over riding control. The family friendly rules like no alcohol on star rides is fine with me, Our local group escorted a Sherrifs department memorial ride riding under the star touring banner and our accepted rules on No alcohol befor or during the rides. Previous years the ride started at a bar and ended at a bar, and there were several issues, not the least of which were dui by members of the sherrifs dept. this time we doubled participation and there were no traffic incidents. Our Chapter does abide by most of the star touring rules but the ones we dissagree with are honored with a wink and a nod

 

Al

[YamaDuck]

no point in:bang head::bang head: over it.... and getting over 60 people aggravated to a point where the thread is in danger of being pulled.

 

I don't think more than just a few people hear have gotten their blood pressure up. I think the vast majority are just saying the way they feel and having a good time.

 

I first joined STAR when I first got my motorcycle a long time ago. I was looking for someone to ride with since my Harley buddies did not really want to ride with a Yamaha. I have made a lot of really good friends through my STAR chapters. Although I could take or leave STAR I like the people in the chapters. I do a lot of riding by myself, with toe two STAR chapters, and friends and occasionally with the VentureRiders and the Venturers. I am not ashamed to say I ride with any of the groups and they all have great people in them.

 

This is not about STAR but about one persons opinion which I disagree with and he knows it. Just like wearing a Harley T-shirt does not constitute being in a Harley motorcycle club wearing the VentureRiders patch does not constitute being in a motorcycle club. The Harley T-shirt is just a shirt and the VentureRiders patch would be the same as wearing a big patch on the back of the jacket that say GOOGLE.

 

This is one persons opinion which is usually reserve for the Harley community and I thought it was ironic that this mentality surfaced in a Yamaha environment.

[JohnT]

I ride my motorcycle to feel the wind in my face, To relieve the tensions of the day. To feel the power of the engine between my legs. I ride to explore new places, to visit my friends and fellow motorcycle riders. I ride to share the adventure of the open road with my wife Jean, who also chooses to ride for the above reasons. I wear a jacket and/or a vest to keep me warm and dry, and to protect me in the event of an accident.

I am an adult, I paid for my motorcycle with my own, hard earned money. If I have chosen to join a STAR motorcycle club, or ANY other riding club for that matter, and you don't particularly care for the patches or stickers on my vest, jacket or helmet, then please feel free to ride ahead of me, (if you can) or ride behind me, but DON'T TREAD ON ME! I have been around long enough to know that there will be elitist snobs everywhere you go that will screw up a good thing. If this means I will ride with a smaller group, or alone, then so be it. I ride for the personal pleasure riding gives ME. I wear the patches and stickers on my vest that please ME. It's not my job to please YOU. I'm not your mother, and I'm certainly not your wife, so if the president of any club I joined told me I could only wear HIS patch, then I would be taking my scoot, (and a dues refund) to a road where I could feel the wind on my face, and the power of the engine between my legs......I'm sure you get my point.

Earl

Yeah, what Earl said. I like to ride with folks, but I ride for me.

[CaptainJoe]

I don't do clubs, period.

Venturerider.org is a forum, but is actually much more than that. It's a place where people from a variety of walks of life get together and enjoy a common interest...Motorcycling...

No "must ride this type of bike" or wear "this vest" or ... well you get it.

 

Been ask quite a few times to join this or that club, but, I don't like crowds, rules, or, even the remotest possibility of breaking the law...

 

I, ride just to ride.

Been doing it since I was 16.

If I go to the farm and it's not snowing, or, I don't have to take tools, or, something heavy/bulky along , I'm going to ride my bike.

 

There are a few, that I really enjoy travelling with. Each Year we take at least one long distance trip to reward ourselves.

 

Explain it to others?? Hell, I can't even explain it to my wife...

[Rocket]

Know what Vr.org needs? An official club house ! Maybe we should choose Freebird's place as the official location?

 

As for who you ride with and what you wear.... if you join a group that insists you wear something that shows you are a member and says "thou shalt not wear anything else"... and you disagree with this.... walk away from that group. No point arguing about it, even if the "President" of the local is a dick... enough people quit and someone somewhere will change things.

 

I prefer the casual "membership" we have here. Wear what you want, discuss (almost) anything you want (with the exception of a couple dangerous topics that always lead to trouble). Think the only rule our "local" group has is that when MarCarl leads... expect u-turns and gravel roads...and Carl parking his bike on its side.

 

Like oil type / brand & tires..... I guess, MarCarl added that in to the rides, since 2007.

[Blackjack]

Have you asked yet whether you are required to wear boxers or briefs? That's where I would start...

[YamaDuck]

Have you asked yet whether you are required to wear boxers or briefs? That's where I would start...

 

You mean you have to wear underwear?

[Marcarl]

You mean you have to wear underwear?

Only if it has patches:happy65:

[PBJ]

I ride my motorcycle to feel the wind in my face, To relieve the tensions of the day. To feel the power of the engine between my legs. I ride to explore new places, to visit my friends and fellow motorcycle riders. I ride to share the adventure of the open road with my wife Jean, who also chooses to ride for the above reasons. I wear a jacket and/or a vest to keep me warm and dry, and to protect me in the event of an accident.

I am an adult, I paid for my motorcycle with my own, hard earned money. If I have chosen to join a STAR motorcycle club, or ANY other riding club for that matter, and you don't particularly care for the patches or stickers on my vest, jacket or helmet, then please feel free to ride ahead of me, (if you can) or ride behind me, but DON'T TREAD ON ME! I have been around long enough to know that there will be elitist snobs everywhere you go that will screw up a good thing. If this means I will ride with a smaller group, or alone, then so be it. I ride for the personal pleasure riding gives ME. I wear the patches and stickers on my vest that please ME. It's not my job to please YOU. I'm not your mother, and I'm certainly not your wife, so if the president of any club I joined told me I could only wear HIS patch, then I would be taking my scoot, (and a dues refund) to a road where I could feel the wind on my face, and the power of the engine between my legs......I'm sure you get my point.

Earl

 

Earl, i couldn't have said this any better. this is also why i am a member of this FORUM and not a member of any CLUB!